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10-24-2002, 06:35 PM
mike.elmes

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
mike,

Could you start a thread posting all this info?? It's great stuff.
It's actually Front Page news:D

OPP

I will make it so.:)
10-24-2002, 07:13 PM
nelamvr6

If they aren't outsourcing the production of Abit branded mobos then what accounts for the inferior quality of the latest products?

Shoddy QA/QC? Poor design? I doubt its poor design given the quality of previous Abit products.

I realize that my board dying might be only one out of 50, or even out of 100, but it was the last Abit board I'll buy untill I hear things have improved. I'm sure that I'm not the only consumer who behaves this way. Once bitten...

But I have heard more than enough stories of problems to make me think that these are not isolated issues.

If Abit is not careful they may damage their reputation beyond repair.
10-25-2002, 04:05 AM
mdzcpa

This is probably not the thread to post a rambling reply, but I'll try to put some kind of response together anyway.

Bottom line, I don't think Abit making, or not making the mobos has anything to do with it. If there is any kind of pressure at all on quality, it's going to be coming from the genral state of the IT economy (which is very poor), and the fact that mobos have turned into a commodity product (which means all mobos are the same and only pice differentiates the products). Abit has always charged a premium for it's products to cover the costs of building a "better" mobo. However, things are so bad for these mobo makers recently that Abit has been forced to cut it's prices...something has to give...maybe some quality or attention to details have been sacrificed (eg no thermal paste on NB of KD7 AT7M2).

However, that said, I really haven't seen this "major decline in Abit quality" that everyone seems to be talking about. As a system builder I go through a ton of mobos every year. I do get a bad one every now and then, but not one brand any more than any others. If anthing, I've had great luck with Abit as compared to the Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte boards I frequently use. The only boards I avoid due to a high level of failure are PC Chips. I even use a ton of ECS boards for enterprise use (corporate clients) without much of an issue.

All I'm saying is that it is very easy to judge the product based on our own experiences (heck...what else do we have to base our opinions on), but in all reality not a single one of us uses enough boards to have a significant sample to base such conclusions on.

Last, do not confuse the inability of Abit's recent products to overclock to the moon without a hiccup to equal quality issues. The fact is that user expectation is what is out of line there. There are never guarantees in overclocking. I only look at the actual mobo failures (mobo no longer runs) to indicate a quality issue.

Yes...we've had a few of those reported here. Does that imply that Abit's QC has gone done the tubes...not sure...way too small a sample. I think most of the poor user "attitiude" re the recent Abit offerings has to due with the inability to hit 200+ FSB speeds without a hiccup more than failure rate. I remember when users were complaining about Abit quality when the KT7A-RAID came out. The KT7A was a very finicky mobo and users blamed quality.

Just food for thought....Sorry about the ramble.
10-25-2002, 05:49 AM
mbrock

KD7-raid up and running. Doing a break in at 200X11. I have not added any ice to my water yet to push the xp2400+. It has been folding for about 7 hours now with no problems. Radeon 9700 no problems but the temps are a tad higher than what normally run at but some ice will fix that.
10-25-2002, 05:50 AM
Tecnoboy

Quote:

Originally posted by mbrock
KD7-raid up and running. Doing a break in at 200X11. I have not added any ice to my water yet to push the xp2400+. It has been folding for about 7 hours now with no problems. Radeon 9700 no problems but the temps are a tad higher than what normally run at but some ice will fix that.

How about a 3D Mark score to go with that system ? ;)
10-25-2002, 06:38 AM
mbrock

3Dmark will be done on Saturday or Sunday. I have to put the water block back on the 9700 and do a fresh w2k load. I also want to experiment with all the diff settings for the ram before running 3Dmark. I hope that the increased mhz's will get me back closer to the front page.
10-25-2002, 07:24 AM
Iolao

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Yea I think your loss is from not haveing the '5' more then CPU Decode.

OPP

Hey Opp, I did some bandwith comparisons with sandra to show my point.

This is At7MAX2 with normal cpu command decode and cas 2 2-6-2 1T
http://digilander.libero.it/mybenchm...dra200x9,5.gif

This is KX7 with same timings but fast cpu command decode
http://digilander.libero.it/mybenchm...dra200x9,5.gif

And this is KX7 with fast cpu command decode, cas 2 2-5-2 1T and wpcredit tweaks to show my maximum bandwith.
http://digilander.libero.it/mybenchm...0x9,5tweak.gif

As you can see there is a sensible performance loss in sandra due to cpu commande decode impossibility to be set to fast and due to no wpcredit tweaking (no pcr files...).

I'll have soon a 3dmark comparison ;)
10-25-2002, 10:07 AM
mbrock

I am using Mother Board Monitor Version 5.2 on my KD7. Is there a better program? MBM appears to be reading both of the CPU sensors but not the system sensor.
10-25-2002, 01:02 PM
TheDude

Quote:

Originally posted by mbrock
I am using Mother Board Monitor Version 5.2 on my KD7. Is there a better program? MBM appears to be reading both of the CPU sensors but not the system sensor.

There is a add on patch for 5.2 only. I tried to attach it, but it's too big. I will look up your email in member profiles and email it to you:D

Well..you don't accept emails. If you pm an addy to me I will send it.
10-25-2002, 01:09 PM
OPPAINTER

Iolao,,

The first 2 pictures are the only ones you can compare, as you can see the KX7 at fast is what 1 point higher the KD7 at normal. Nothing at all, it actually proves my point.:D

OPP
10-25-2002, 02:21 PM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Iolao,,

The first 2 pictures are the only ones you can compare, as you can see the KX7 at fast is what 1 point higher the KD7 at normal. Nothing at all, it actually proves my point.:D

OPP

Hey OPP,

I thought the same thing you did. :) It seems pretty conclusive now that the KD7/AT7Max2 at Normal CPU Command Decode equals the KX7 at Fast Decode.
10-25-2002, 02:33 PM
Dissolved

i Still cant deside either to get the Kd7 or the kx7-333 :|
10-25-2002, 02:41 PM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by mdzcpa
Hey OPP,

I thought the same thing you did. :) It seems pretty conclusive now that the KD7/AT7Max2 at Normal CPU Command Decode equals the KX7 at Fast Decode.

Thats what I suspected:D It's just that the Fast on the KD7,AT72 reacts like Ultra on the KX7 when it comes to how high you can Overclock with it. It just had to be the answer:D

OPP
10-26-2002, 01:32 AM
Iolao

Opp, I benched also with wpcredit settings and more aggressive timings (third shoot) just to see how high I could go (remember that on kx7 tweaking is possible while on kt400 at this very momento not yet....). However the two pics DO show a performance loss (see 50MB/s+ with KX7 in RAM Float?). I have to do some performance comparison with 3dmark to be sure.
10-26-2002, 12:16 PM
Camelot One

Which 4in1 drivers are you guys using? I started with the 4.42a thats on the KD7 cd, and finaly tracked down my hard drive corruption problems to them. 4.43 seems to have fixed it, atleast under 200mhz. (I was having trouble even at 133)
10-26-2002, 01:46 PM
mbrock

stilll breakin it in.
http://68.52.254.200/kd7.jpg
So far so good. 3D test in another 24hours maybe
10-26-2002, 02:05 PM
N8

mbrock,

Looking good so far, lookin good! :)
10-26-2002, 03:46 PM
Dissolved

So do you guys think i should get the Kx7 or the Kd7? i still cant deside :-/
10-26-2002, 03:47 PM
althes

With all the present issues on the KD7 I will keep my KX7 until a revision of the KD7 comes out.:rolleyes:
10-26-2002, 03:51 PM
Dissolved

Quote:

Originally posted by althes
With all the present issues on the KD7 I will keep my KX7 until a revision of the KD7 comes out.:rolleyes:

well i have an at7, and i cant above 171fsb. so i want to get a kx7 or a kd7, but i cant desie with one.
10-27-2002, 08:15 PM
badboy

Here is pic of my XP 2400+ at 200 x11.5.:D Also a memory score too. I am having no problems what so ever with my KD7.:)
http://webpages.charter.net/badboy686/XP 2400+.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/badboy686/Memory.jpg
10-28-2002, 01:42 AM
Iolao

Quote:

Originally posted by badboy
Here is pic of my XP 2400+ at 200 x11.5.:D Also a memory score too. I am having no problems what so ever with my KD7.:)
http://webpages.charter.net/badboy686/XP 2400+.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/badboy686/Memory.jpg

your mem score is really good to be at 200Mhz :) congrats! :toast:
Can you tell me what timings are you using and if you are able to set cpu command decode to fast at that speed? Thanks ;)
10-28-2002, 03:46 AM
badboy

Quote:

Originally posted by Iolao
your mem score is really good to be at 200Mhz :) congrats! :toast:
Can you tell me what timings are you using and if you are able to set cpu command decode to fast at that speed? Thanks ;)

I had command code at normal and max memory timings.
10-28-2002, 05:33 AM
Fewture

Guys,

I've read most of this thread now. All of you guys are getting corruption above 200Mhz. I have a friend with this board.. 189Mhz is the limit. 190 = die windows!

Also the caps get extremely hot. System temp goes up to 70 C! (caps are next to sensor) Chipset is watercooled so no airflow there. We put an 80mm fan above it now. It reads 51 C atm. So it helps, but is sucks.

AE (EA?) Bios is crap in his case. B8 is much better and also needed for normal use (because of the 2400+). Stability also improves @ B8.

So 190 is no go. All timings relaxed, everything.. Board makes me wanna cry :mad:
10-28-2002, 06:36 AM
Dark Angel

i have bought a Kd-7 Raid here in Holland.
and i have lots of trouble getting a FSB of 200mhz.
when i go over the 190 FSB my harddisks get corrupt.

i have just corsair pc3200 cas 2 and a amd 2400+ ati 9700 pro

is there any thing that i can do to go up to 200?

please help me.

i have seen that my friend Fewture already try to help me with posting here thanks

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