New Vapochill LS...Mach 2 clone

Phyrox you state that its not going be that much better than a mach2. I agree you might acheive a slightly higher overclock but I think your missing the point.

Its
1: Cheaper
2: 507 and better compressor
3: Baker head
4: Better real life temps
5: Fits both Amd and Intel
6: Much better heaters for no condensation
7: No need to by lian li mod
8: Comes with blue lcd from factory.

Now to the average Phase change user these are all winners and if you took a mach2 and did the mods to make it close to a LS you would spend double your money.


I keep hearing remarks about the ISO certification and I for one dont care if they are not certified. If they make a great product that works and at a better price then im buying one. There are alot of dumbasses in this world running around messing up stuff and most are certified. Ceritification doesnt mean jack about the quality of work someone does.

I have had a mach 1 and was pleased but speaking for an avergage phase change user the LS looks great and im pretty sure it will perform very good and when you buy its turn key with all the options you need.:toast:

According to the charts published the ls(404A) is slightly better in performance than the Mach II(134A) I will wait to see the results up against a modded mach I, I think it will be a slight underdog in some cases and in others slightly better.

Im pretty sure Asetek has said in there forums its 507. Even if it is 404 which is not that big of a temp change between the 2(507 and 404). http://www.asetek.com/main/page.asp?sideid=465

If 404 is not that much of a difference than 134 then why is everyone modding to 404 are 507?

For all fairness you guys shouldnt compare it to a modded anything for the reason nventiv doenst make 1 and I bet the majority of people who by phase change doesnt mod theres. Dont get me wrong I want to see the comparision but in reality a madded mach 1 doesnt have a 404 compressor and that alone is 1 drawback and a modded mach1 with 404 are 507 and lian li bottom will still be about the same price as Ls and the Ls has a lcd and works with all mother boards. A modded mach1 doesnt come close to the value of a LS for the average phase change user.(Consider these are my opinions by looking at what there offering on paper and if real world performance sucks then of course that would change everything but theres no reason with 507 and a baker block that it shouldnt perform good for the price)

In all fairness it should be Run what you Brung. Its a debate over 2 companys products not what people can hotrod them too and make them better than the other(Thats a whole different debate). Now if nventiv will make a 507 mach system I would judge that as a fair comparison.

I believe most of you are missing the point that the average phase changer will buy the best for his money and doesnt want to mod it if he dont have too.

I have a Question for the expert refrigeration guys.

By looking at the specs on a stock LS is it better are worse than a stock mach1 are mach2?

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Originally posted by Umgawa
Phyrox you state that its not going be that much better than a mach2. I agree you might acheive a slightly higher overclock but I think your missing the point.

Its
1: Cheaper
2: 507 and better compressor
3: Baker head
4: Better real life temps
5: Fits both Amd and Intel
6: Much better heaters for no condensation
7: No need to by lian li mod
8: Comes with blue lcd from factory.

Now to the average Phase change user these are all winners and if you took a mach2 and did the mods to make it close to a LS you would spend double your money.

I have made all of those points many pages before. I am not bashing the LS. I did note all of the points you made before you came here and I did give asetek the credit.

I am saying for those of us who are mach1 and mach2 owners its not worth upgrading....Thats all i am saying. You can love the LS and asetek all you want. No one is stopping them,. But when nventiv comes out with their new unit I bet you will be stunned. Do you really think someone is going to standbye and wtach while someone else is punching them in the face. I dont think so.

By going the LS you save lots of money and get SLIGHTLY better performance....LS is a good bang for the buck.


I keep hearing remarks about the ISO certification and I for one dont care if they are not certified. If they make a great product that works and at a better price then im buying one. There are alot of dumbasses in this world running around messing up stuff and most are certified. Ceritification doesnt mean jack about the quality of work someone does.

I have had a mach 1 and was pleased but speaking for an avergage phase change user the LS looks great and im pretty sure it will perform very good and when you buy its turn key with all the options you need.:toast:

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Also im not argueing about the average phase change user. screw the average phase change user. im basically giving my own thoughts on this. the average phase change user doesnt have loads of $$$$$$$ to kill on things like this. Since I already bought a mk2 I will spend as $$ as it takes to keep it updated. Heck I already got the lianli mod now Im going to get a blue lcd and regas it. Or I can just add some more cahs and have it super modded and it will do -80C load. That would SLAUGHTER the LS. I know not everyone has the $ to do these things but I do so I can take a big crap on the LS for all I care.

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Originally posted by Phyrox
Well skills do matter too. The more you do it the better you are at it. Lets take the A64 for example. Some people just do a sucide run and wind up with bad results. For example they just get the unit and right away they start pumping the fsb/. FOr example they have mach2 cooling and right away they set 250fsb and they cant go much higher than that and their content.

Other on the other hand (the ones with skill) they find out how far each component can go. For example they relax ram timings, redude ram speed to get max cpu clock, lower the multi meanwhile others just increase vcore and fsb like crazy.

im not going to mention any names at all

there were a few guys using P4 3.2EE's

they had a max3/p4c800-e, good ram, r9800xt and a mach2 and a xe for cpu/gpu cooling. and they got a crappy 24~25k score on 3dmark. i can easily get that with a fx-51 on 100% air. quad and stormpc got similarfx-51 results on air. and we have people using superior cooling and getting 24k on vapor phase change :stick: :confused:

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I agree.. the only thing is I call "the ones with skill" as you say it, just basics man. I don't see that as skill, but just basic tweaking :) Skill to me is someone like Hipro5 with his insane mods.. All the other stuff is just bios settings imo ;)

Anyway.. There is 2 camps now.. nVentiv boys and Asetek boys :D I don't understand that. What good will come if nVentiv stayed by itself? Ok, the LS is a mach2 rip-off but it's good for us overclockers. Better products will come of it I hope :)

On the asetek forum there is an anti XS feeling I think.. Looks really stupid to me :confused: I'm kinda happy there's finally some competition for the prommy. Why should the users of the products be in competition?? It's all about the cold cpu..who cares how it's being cooled or by what brand?!?! As long as it's cold it's good :toast:

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Originally posted by Fewture
I agree.. the only thing is I call "the ones with skill" as you say it, just basics man. I don't see that as skill, but just basic tweaking :) Skill to me is someone like Hipro5 with his insane mods.. All the other stuff is just bios settings imo ;)

Anyway.. There is 2 camps now.. nVentiv boys and Asetek boys :D I don't understand that. What good will come if nVentiv stayed by itself? Ok, the LS is a mach2 rip-off but it's good for us overclockers. Better products will come of it I hope :)

On the asetek forum there is an anti XS feeling I think.. Looks really stupid to me :confused: I'm kinda happy there's finally some competition for the prommy. Why should the users of the products be in competition?? It's all about the cold cpu..who cares how it's being cooled or by what brand?!?! As long as it's cold it's good :toast:

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yup i agree :) just unpacked my mk2 and did lianli mod to it...i was in awe...unit is damn sexy...now i really want to take a crap on the ls!~

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Originally posted by Phyrox
yup i agree :) just unpacked my mk2 and did lianli mod to it...i was in awe...unit is damn sexy...now i really want to take a crap on the ls!~

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You're crazy man... :hehe:

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Originally posted by Phyrox
Also im not argueing about the average phase change user. screw the average phase change user.

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Is this your first phase change system?

wow people seem to be split on this whole deal. i think the ls sounds good because of the fact that u can buy in ready to go with r507 and the price is very good for a plug and play type setup. the features that it has (according to frozen cpu) is just down right awsome. i could care less if it was made and sold by hitler himself.....its the bang for the buck i care about. besides like other guys in here are saying it will promote good competition between the makers of these products, end result we all get better products for less money.

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Originally posted by Fewture
Skill to me is someone like Hipro5 with his insane mods..

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-no kidding. have you seen the site he made on the mods he made to his video card and motherboard? :banana: anyone that can invent that many mods without killing boards has serious skill.

I reckon the LS is a good budget system that performs well. I dont' care about facts n' :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: its a good unit :)

yes it is indeed a budget system :stick:

:p:

yep it's a budget cooling system:D

I was going to get a used SLK-900 from my buddy for $20... but hell... since the LS is a budget system, I might as well just go for that instead.

Hell it is a budget system, phase change system that is you *******. Sorry but i really had to say that :D

Edit:No you didn't....unless you're looking for a vacation for Flaming?....TheDude

Ehehhe sorry for that outburst, was a bit pissed off at the time. I think i wordered my post wrongley. I was intented to say its a good system for its price and i'd buy it for sure if i had the money :)

Somone make a system that has TWO cooling heads, one for your cpu and the other for your gpu.

It must be neat and compact so that it can fit under your favorite tower, have all the bells and whistles and lcds, temps must be -50C yada yada, and oh yea it must not cost more than 500 bucks us................. :smileysex



In the end competition is good for all, lower prices and better systems.

I think I will hang on to my mach 1 for a while, being a newbie to phase cooling and a working dad cost will allways be a major factor unless I win the lotto, then I will pay Bowman to fly down and build a nuclear cooler hehehheh

You were probably being sarcastic but it would be nice if we could have that (albeit without the $500 limit ;) ) in a phase change. If a dual evap could fit in to something like those lian li kits (even if taller) it would command a super premium. I think if it needed to be done, people would give up -50 as well. I want a dual :( I'll "settle" for -30C for my CPU and GPU. :D

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Originally posted by Tomsawyer
Somone make a system that has TWO cooling heads, one for your cpu and the other for your gpu.

It must be neat and compact so that it can fit under your favorite tower, have all the bells and whistles and lcds, temps must be -50C yada yada, and oh yea it must not cost more than 500 bucks us................. :smileysex



In the end competition is good for all, lower prices and better systems.

I think I will hang on to my mach 1 for a while, being a newbie to phase cooling and a working dad cost will allways be a major factor unless I win the lotto, then I will pay Bowman to fly down and build a nuclear cooler hehehheh

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Maybe triple that... it's them bells and whistles that'll kill ya

You can always extend one evaporator hose and put 2 prom's or vapos under your PC :D :D

Sooner or later a big firm or person with some extra money is going to make a dual head system and off it will go. As the market has shown over the years the more people push the bleeding edge the more formerly exotic items become mainstream.

air to water to phase to cascade to dry ice to nitrogen to............

If company A wants to copy company B thereby creating a series of new toys or ideas then so be it.

bring it on, i am either along for the ride or helping invent something new and having fun.

Wait untill Wednesday .. Cebit will open then... I hope ;) nventiv will bring something new

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Originally posted by Fewture
Anyway.. There is 2 camps now.. nVentiv boys and Asetek boys :D I don't understand that. What good will come if nVentiv stayed by itself? Ok, the LS is a mach2 rip-off but it's good for us overclockers. Better products will come of it I hope :)

On the asetek forum there is an anti XS feeling I think.. Looks really stupid to me :confused:

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I think that there only appears to be two camps, because in a discussion on a topic, who shouts the loudest? It the fanboys. I think most of us on here would just choose the cheapest one that gives the best cooling regardless of the company.
As for the anti XS feeling on the Asetek forums, i dont feel that there is one generally (anything that could be construed as such is probably posted by Asetek and is consigned to the threads concerning the temp issues and the waterblock copyright issues, which maybe the only threads people from here going to the Asetek forums look at, but it doesnt provide a fair representation of the forums). I post on the Asetek forums, and i always recommend XS to people who need more information, its the best place to go looking for information concerning any matter of computing IMO.
I think the difference in custom units and commerical units is that custom units are a labour of love. There are many people on here who devote a lot of their time and effort because they want to produce better temps with their own skill. Commercial units on the other hand are build down to a base level where they can be produced relatively cheaply and efficiently, and this means cutting corners in the search for perfect tweaking of a phase change system. Thats just the nature of the hobbyist vrs the commercial manufacturer IMO.

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Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Well I can tell you this, the nventiv/asetek labs don't stand a chance with cascade cooling compared to Captaincascades lab. Los Angeles Cascade has nothing but -80c/-90c Cascade refideration units running 24/7 all over the warehouse and all the techs do is work on these rigs.

Now thats cascade wisdom:)

OPP

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postid=230638

this is our main work area. 95% of those are revco -85c freezers we are repairing or rebuilding. this is what our shop looks like at any givin time, with freezers constantly going in and out. baker took this picture. thats me waving, lol.

here one row of many rows in our fleet of rental freezers. for our customers to use while there freezer is down..

Lol, its not like you can just shove tissue samples in the sink..