AMD Mantle update...

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Originally Posted by Olivon

We are on Xtremesystems dude.
If you can buy a 600$ card, 100$ more on the CPU is not really a problem.
Don't forget, it's just the debut of Mantle, with only one game (almost) available.
I dunno for you, but I don't buy a CPU or GPU for only one (buggy) game.

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So what, if we are at xtremesystems, and thats your "argument" shouldnt we talk only about 290X trifire with i7 4980X ? (which would get big gains on mantle btw)
Or was that dumb argument right there ?
About "having money" and ways to spend it, its not that easy as you make it to be, if you dont have to buy new cpu you can invest int more gpu power, and thats where mantle does good, and in effect you get more performance for less money.Also there are many problems building pc with a fixed amount of money,and no, not everybody thinks 100 or 180$ (thats the diff between 8350 and 4770K here) is "nothing".
Also, 290 and 280X for example are a lot cheaper, so another DRAMATIC argument there.
Of course nobody buys cpu or gpu for one game, but this thread is about mantle and not BF4, BF4 is just first beta iteration of it so thats why we are talking about it now.There are more coming.
You cant pick only situations that match your agenda and be like "Thats like things are globally".Not gonna respond more to arguments like this.


TO Olivion.
As for your link about 8350 oced to 5ghz and whatnot, you gave the link to DX version, heres mantle:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/cha...eon_mantle.pnghttp://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/cha..._radeon_dx.png
EDIT: Edited to have them side by side, MANTLE - DX
Also im not saying people should be buying FXes now for christ sakes, im saying they can buy cheaper intels and amd`s or just stay with what they got.

AMD Passes On Catalyst 14.1 beta to the Press, Public Release Shortly

Read more at TPU

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Originally Posted by vario

TO Olivion.
As for your link about 8350 oced to 5ghz and whatnot, you gave the link to DX version, heres mantle:
[/IMG]http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/02/mantle/charts/bf4_mp_cpu_radeon_mantle.png[/IMG]

Also im not saying people should be buying FXes now for christ sakes, im saying they can buy cheaper intels and amd`s or just stay with what they got.

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Sorry, I mislead this graph.
But please be less aggressive. Personally I got both Intel and AMD rigs and I don"t care about brands who only want my money. I just try to be fair and objective so don't disrecpect me all the time.

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Sorry, I mislead this graph.
But please be less aggressive. Personally I got both Intel and AMD rigs and I don"t care about brands who only want my money. I just try to be fair and objective so don't disrecpect me all the time.

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No problem man, im sorry if you felt that way.They updated the Mantle Cpu graph, with old grandpa Phenom X4, as you see on mantle it pulls out some respectable numbers!
Just to put things into perspective, Phenom X4 is doing on mantle almost the same FPS as i7 4770K is doing without.

Short preview at guru3D

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Concluding

This is an extremely short article as there is just so much to explore with mantle. It will remains to bee very simple though. On high-end PCs with a single graphics card you may see perf increase in the 10% area. On massively CPU limited situations like low/medium quality settings / low resolutions or even Multi-GPU setup, that's where the gain easily can get 30 even 40%. As such Mantle will benefit low-end and mainstream processor based PCs the most. But even at Enthusiast class, it will make a difference.

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You should see some very nice increase in performance with your Crossfire 290x's. It might make me look at getting a second card.

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Originally Posted by MaddMuppet

You should see some very nice increase in performance with your Crossfire 290x's. It might make me look at getting a second card.

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I just got my two Sapphire R9 290 4GB TRI-X OC couple days ago, looks like Newegg.ca approved more orders than they had in stock and I had to wait for new shipment.

I had some time yesterday to install the card also with couple new case fans. When I started the PC there was some bad fan noise, disconect the new fans and noise was still there. Removed one card and the noise was gone, replaced the card and also not any noise. Installed them again in crossfire and the noise was back. Figured out the cards were sandwitsh too close together, when I wedged them a little the noise was done.

Removed the second card, didn't want to damage anything and ordered new board GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4 LGA 2011 plus new CPU Core i7-4930K and G.SKILL Trident X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3, everything should be ready by Thursday next week.

In the meantime the one card works great but I didn't have much time for testing any OC.

Sorry guys about this off subject post.

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AMD Mantle API Real World BF4 Benchmark Performance On Catalyst 14.1 (Feb,1st 2014)

The difference in cpu limited circumstances is pretty damn impressive.

Makes the PS4/XB1 cpus seem much more capable. Seems so far brute forcing still nets solid results but that fact that they are doing twice as much with half the cpu power is great.

Be curious on the kind of gains a MMO could see with this kind of treatment (alot of them are stupidly cpu limited) I have a feeling the underlying engine itself will be the biggest element for improvement with any game though. Frostbite is fairly forward looking and modern compared to some more antiquated engines (ie ones which still render in DX9 and dont scale with multiple cores) Have high hopes what Mantle can do for Unreal 4.

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Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

Makes the PS4/XB1 cpus seem much more capable.

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neither of them is using mantle.. :p:

But it would be interesting to see some benches on a A6-5200, afaik there are even mini itx boards out there which you can pair with a dedicated gpu.

lets see how the Tajoh focus group will talk this one down.

edit** if AMD gets enough devs on board and optimised enough AMD will welcome Maxwell with open arms like an orphan child "come here little one... see that? it's mantle, also known as your kryptonite"

lol

but on a serious note, this will turn the tables on a huge way for AMD, throw in some HSA and HUMA.......droool...

My new HTPC/LAN box is going to enjoy this :D

-PB

We need to see the results in the low-power segment (e.g. laptops and gaming tablets)...that is, is AMD's CPU/GPU on one die netting more performance per-watt when using Mantle as opposed to an Intel/Nvidia combo or an Intel/AMD combo. This is where it might really shine...does nobody else think this?

Found a link to the 14.1 drivers.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/downloa...os=Windows%208

http://support.amd.com/de-de/downloa...os=Windows%208

Links are going up everywhere now

So far so good. Battlefield seems a bit more smooth. Frames are fine without any noticeable stutter.

downloading now:D

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

neither of them is using mantle.. :p:

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Consoles already use a low level api similar to mantle, which is why mantle is a big deal on the PC gaming front

Only idiots would complain about free extra performance
Ive noticed tajoh has gone full retard at this point

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Originally Posted by msimax

downloading now:D

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I installed them on my sons 7950 and they seem to go alright as well. So far so good AMD

Bahhh, I'll wait for Win7 64-bit drivers. I'm not sure if they're the same. EDIT: Nevermind, I'm pretty damn sure it will work with Win7. There's no 'win8' label on the driver itself.

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Bahhh, I'll wait for Win7 64-bit drivers. I'm not sure if they're the same. EDIT: Nevermind, I'm pretty damn sure it will work with Win7. There's no 'win8' label on the driver itself.

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They are the same for win8 and win7 :)

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

lets see how the Tajoh focus group will talk this one down.

edit** if AMD gets enough devs on board and optimised enough AMD will welcome Maxwell with open arms like an orphan child "come here little one... see that? it's mantle, also known as your kryptonite"

lol

but on a serious note, this will turn the tables on a huge way for AMD, throw in some HSA and HUMA.......droool...

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who cares about NVidia

but after seeing that CPU scores why i'm I paying 500+ for Intel CPU's for 1600p :shrug:
maybe this will get Intel of their butt

It seems after my initial great first up experience with Mantle enabled, I now get a very slight stutter in BF4 every so often. Happens maybe once every few minutes. It's not constant as on the whole, it appears to be smoother than with the 13.12 drivers. Still it is enough to get you KIA in Battlefield.

I think my PC deserves the windows update it has been wanting (been sitting just behind firewalls and has been fine for, ugh, 5 years). I'm still getting grey screen on the Star Swarm demo,


Funny how a Star Swarm FAQ page is required to answer all the statement saying AMD bias on Star Swarm.
http://www.oxidegames.com/2014/01/31/star-swarm-faq/

I would get an unrecognized display driver error after installing 14.1 on win-7 64bit when both 7970s were connected. So I had to disconnect power from one of my 7970s, boot into windows, install the driver, reboot and let the driver successfully load for the first time....then I shut down, connected card 2, at booted back into windows and the driver now loaded successfully with crossfire enabled. Maybe this will help someone...

give us some feedback if you can on in-game experience.

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

give us some feedback if you can on in-game experience.

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If you were asking me, sorry but I use crossfire and it states in the release notes that crossfire is borked for the time being and I sincerely don't want to play with a stutter...and I'm lazy and that's why i'm here right now is trying to get other peoples experiences:)

Edit: actually I will go try it out right now and see how 7970 crossfired + Mantle does...brb.

Ok, in single-player with the 7970s there is no stuttering which is good:
I benchmarked the Framtimes of the Jeep ride in the beginning of 'Tashgar" and my frame-times where between 3.44 and 7.62ms so no spikes,
but also no noticeable performance boost...yet (DX api yields the same fps as Mantle api). My settings are a mix of Low, Med, High, and Ultra...so yes I am intentionally leaning towards a CPU bottleneck to raise my FPS, so I would be-able to clearly see a benifit if I were using Hawaii GPUs but as stated the 7000 series is not yet 'fully' optimized so as expected nothing here.

I hope they optimize 7000 series like they say they will...