55nm -> 40nm = full node shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDuLo
55nm -> 45nm = half node shrink.
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55nm -> 40nm = full node shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDuLo
55nm -> 45nm = half node shrink.
Not to confuse with 55 and 40nm is the actual halfnodes with optical shrinks of 65 and 45nm. :p:
makes no senseQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
65 is a full node
45/40 also is a full node
"Full node" and "half node" are terms for shrinks, not for specific processes. 90nm, 65nm nor 45nm are nodes, not "full" nodes, just nodes. 80nm, 55nm and 40nm are also nodes, but they are also half node shrinks of the aforementioned nodes respectively.
SHRINKS are either full node shrinks or half node shrinks. Nodes are just... nodes.
65nm -> 45nm is a full node shrink because it skips 55nm.
65nm -> 55nm is a half node optical shrink.
55nm -> 45nm is a half node shrink, but not optical.
55nm -> 40nm is a full node shrink because it skips 45nm.
What would you do without italics... :D
LOL, that coming from a guy who only has 26 posts here. That's mean anyways.. I dont see anything wrong with reading his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDuLo
Yeah, 40nm is a big step from 55nm. Let's draw out our calculators from our back pockets (as if we're cowboy nerds).. and calculate as quickly as possible:
55/40 = 137.5% difference
65/45 = 144% difference
The difference isnt as big, but it's close regardless. 55nm is already smaller than your Q6600, and 40nm is even smaller than the Corei7.
Math is slightly wrong... Plus why are you doing increases? We care about decreases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
With your math-
40/55=72.7%
45/65=69.2%
but in reality-
40^2/55^2= 52.9%
45^2/65^2=47.9%
i belive they are having great issues with 40nm process.
and yes, if they went to 40nm, it's the first time in history we'll see
GPU's more advanced technology than cpu's wich is amazing.
they might catch up Q4 with westmere 32
Ahh, you win the nerd shoot-out contest!Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
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From the Inq
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THERE HAVE BEEN a lot of rumours flying around about the upcoming ATI 4890 board, and few if any of them are true. The fevered speculation of a few has gotten almost to the point of silly, so lets set the record straight.
The 4890 is not a new ASIC, it may or may not be a new stepping of the R770, but it is not a new part. It is not 40nm either. On top of that, there is no R790 in the works at all. The new board is called the 4890, and it is simply a much higher clocked 4870.
It will be at least 20 per cent faster than the 4870, a real kick in the pants, but will take a bit more power. The added power will require five-phase voltage regulation, so there will be a new board layout, quite likely lining up with a new downcosted 4870 board as well.
End result, faster card. No new chip, no more shaders, nothing huge, just better. Anyone saying anything else is full of it. µ
hrrrrrrrm how can we know charlie knows anything more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
But that article is written by Charlie, so it must be absolute crap right? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Man i hope he is wrong i want to sell my 4870's for two of these,and the 4870's are getting cheaper every day...ho hum
All i now is a HD4870 clocked @ 850/975 , same as what Vr-zone said but priced as 2 X 4870 512MB :S
I got drivers and it is called RV790 now i don't think is a new chip, if anyone has hardware and needs the drivers PM me and we can work something out :)
You have it !!! :eek: INFORMATION PLEASE !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
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*faints*
Someone out there must have a 4870 (voltmodded and watercooled) that can hit 850MHz can we have benchies?Quote:
Originally Posted by kemo
4870's hit 850 on stock volts now... I had one that hit 870 stock volts... on stock air lol
Hey, I'm wondering if this genius, Charlie, over at the INQ, is trying to make it sound like the 4890 will be exact the same chip as 4870, only with clock speeds "up to 20% faster", just to make Nvidia let some of its guard down. We know that Charlie is 100% anti-Nvidia, so I have a feeling that he's doing this just in case the 4890 would be a new chip that is whole heck lots faster, therefore destroying BOTH the 275 and even the 285!!! Imagine how much Nvidia would be hurt by this thing if caught off-guard...Quote:
Originally Posted by eleeter
We must credit Charlie for having some brain cells left after imbibing so much over at the Hermit.
lol same post in two different threads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
You're saying Charlie is trying to be a double agent for AMD?
Conspiracy everywhere LOL
:sofa: Gotta hide :sofa:
Yep @ Tottentranz (but shame on you for being like a 5-year-old tattletale :P), and a mere clock increase hardly makes sense to me.
Here's an excellent article on the whole RV790 idea (I wonder if it's already been mentioned here in the forums.. maybe you're an expert on that LOL) :
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=1
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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
Yes, it has :P . Someone even made a thread about that article, but was then merged in this thread. It should be 2 or 3 pages behind.
I don't think the RV790 is just another speed-bump either, but mainly because we still have to wait some time for the R8xx. 20% more performance just doesn't feel "enough" for a chip that's supposed to last another 6 months or so, if it's not even shrinked.
ATI did it before, though. With the 9800 Pro -> 9800XT.
But that was when ATI had to make sure that it remained faster than 5900 Ultra (9800Pro) and then 5950 Ultra (9800XT that had 256MB like the 5950). I just hope that ATI realizes that they can beat the 285 without being any more Watts-hungry than the 285..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
:rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox