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10-30-2008, 04:54 PM
NaeKuh

Martin unblock your PM's Dammit.

I need to show you some prototype stuff. :rofl:

Trust me your gonna f'n love it because i just spanked another block maker who said it was impossible to do it this way.
10-30-2008, 05:15 PM
.Logic

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Originally Posted by hellcamino

@R, what fan spacing did you order your MM case with btw?

I'm fairly certain that all his fan spacing is compatible with TC rads (i.e. 30mm fan spacing). I wouldn't imagine RRR would make the mistake of ordering with standard fan spacing, especially since he has 6 PA120.3s to go into it :p:
10-30-2008, 05:33 PM
hellcamino

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Originally Posted by .Logic

I'm fairly certain that all his fan spacing is compatible with TC rads (i.e. 30mm fan spacing). I wouldn't imagine RRR would make the mistake of ordering with standard fan spacing, especially since he has 6 PA120.3s to go into it :p:

As am I...Makes sense to use TC rads then as opposed to rebuying half of the most expensive parts of your system...right?
10-30-2008, 05:39 PM
.Logic

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Originally Posted by hellcamino

As am I...Makes sense to use TC rads then as opposed to rebuying half of the most expensive parts of your system...right?

Hehe, you got that right :p:
10-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Utnorris

Yes it is TC spacing.

As far as the "Great Rad Debate", no one can claim the price/performance crown that Switech Rads have. I have PA120.3 and a PA120.1, both solid construction no doubt, but if R3 hadn't given me the sweet deal on the PA120.3 and I hadn't picked up the PA120.1 from Microcenter for $50, I wouldn't have gotten either. TC and TFC are both out of my price range for something a MCR320 or MCR220 will do at a third the cost. I will say this though, TC's and I assume TFC's rads are the same with this, they hold their value unlike Swiftech or HWLabs rads. You will rarely see a PA120.3 used selling for less than a $100, whereas you can almost always find a MCR320 used for $30-$40. It's like anything else, you get what you pay for............well, except for Swiftech, they are definitely the value king.
10-30-2008, 06:21 PM
IanY

RRR is switching all his rads to Feser, Swiftech and Black Ice :up::rofl:

Hey RRR, when are you getting rid of the BOP fittings and switching over to Koolance? :D:
10-30-2008, 06:22 PM
IanY

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Yes it is TC spacing.

As far as the "Great Rad Debate", no one can claim the price/performance crown that Switech Rads have. I have PA120.3 and a PA120.1, both solid construction no doubt, but if R3 hadn't given me the sweet deal on the PA120.3 and I hadn't picked up the PA120.1 from Microcenter for $50, I wouldn't have gotten either. TC and TFC are both out of my price range for something a MCR320 or MCR220 will do at a third the cost. I will say this though, TC's and I assume TFC's rads are the same with this, they hold their value unlike Swiftech or HWLabs rads. You will rarely see a PA120.3 used selling for less than a $100, whereas you can almost always find a MCR320 used for $30-$40. It's like anything else, you get what you pay for............well, except for Swiftech, they are definitely the value king.

Just wait till they come out and I go to Triple-SLI-Swiftech roflmao and it'll still cost less than TC or Feser!
10-30-2008, 06:24 PM
2low4u

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

I am in shock that this question was even asked... I made sure that BEN gave me Swiftech spacing for all panels...:D

LOL
10-30-2008, 06:26 PM
.Logic

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Originally Posted by IanY

RRR is switching all his rads to Feser, Swiftech and Black Ice :up::rofl:

Hey RRR, when are you getting rid of the BOP fittings and switching over to Koolance? :D:

He told me he was expecting some of Koolance's steel plugs later in the week :p:

:rofl:
10-30-2008, 07:40 PM
IanY

Use filtered sea water as coolant !!! Goes very well with the Koolance end plugs :D:
10-30-2008, 07:49 PM
Kayin

Simply because the rads are designed differently.

If you take the same radiator design, same thickness and dimension, and make one of brass and one of copper, the copper one will be much more easily damages, while theoretically has a higher ability to dissipate heat.

While not supporting TFC (I've bought mostly Swiftech rads myself) I must say that if you make it the same but change that one thing, it will be softer and more prone to flexing. Comes down to material choice. Could be a case where copper is detrimental.
10-30-2008, 07:50 PM
fox3

They look so ... small.

I'll stick with the TFC 480's
10-30-2008, 07:53 PM
.Logic

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Originally Posted by IanY

Use filtered sea water as coolant !!! Goes very well with the Koolance end plugs :D:

Blasphemy!...

...I can't believe you suggested FILTERING the sea water :shakes: Unfiltered is the only way to go, the slime on the seaweed acts as a lubricant for the pump don't you know!? :p:

;)
10-30-2008, 07:57 PM
fox3

Pretty sure GM rads use plastic, they crack at the fittings. You can thank the bean counters at the GM for that
10-30-2008, 08:02 PM
fox3

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

small.....:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

May I ask how many 480's do you have and care to post a pic???

FYI, my PA120.3's are next to my Pedestal 24, that is 24" (l) x 18" (w) x 9" (h)....:D

Hateful words there big guy. You doubt my integrity :down:. I own two 480's does that make me any less if I owned 5? Take it to PM and we can discuss how much waterfront property I own, and you?

Keep it civil it was not meant in anger, I thort they look small compared to a 480.
10-30-2008, 08:44 PM
hellcamino

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Originally Posted by fox3

Pretty sure GM rads use plastic, they crack at the fittings. You can thank the bean counters at the GM for that

Plastic tanks with aluminum cores.

As for the paint on the TC rads...Who talks badly of it ? You want as thin a layer of paint as you can get away with for heat transfer.
10-30-2008, 08:59 PM
Martinm210

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

You question my integrity and honesty, huh...... Here is your pic of all 6 of my babies...:D

What cracks me up is the endless loop tape recording of ThermoChill bashers is always complaints about the paint...:ROTF: I'd personally much rather have a rad that is built like a brick :banana::banana::banana::banana: house with a "poor" paint job, than a flimsy rad that has a "pretty" paint job...:fact: I can always easily repaint my rad, but you can't easily improve the structural integrity of a rad.

BTW, a bridge being built to flex has nothing in common with a radiator that is flimsy and flex's. You design bridges, but remember I work for a company that builds TXDOT bridges...:D My GMC pickup's radiator doesn't flex...:D :ROTF:

Never. I just want to see them in the case, I'm incredibly impatient I know.

That is awesome, I'm just looking forward to seeing them installed...:yepp:

I have one of each (TFC and TC), I like them both. In all honesty, they are pretty much the same, similar enough performance that most people would have a hard time telling the differences there. I really don't have a strong preference either way, I only like the TFC because of the quad sizing. Both have their little quirks. The paint,barbs, and no screw threading on the TC and the M3 screws on the TFC. I wish they both had a HWlabs paint quality, M4 threaded screws, and G1/4 barbs. They could both use some minor tweaks. Neither one come close in performance/price ratio of the lower cost rads though.

You still have not shown me anything that presents some sort of failure in structural integrity. It's very basic strength of materials. You don't design anything for failure, you design for acceptable means of stresses. More than that is wasteful in materials.

Kindly show me how pushing in the sides of the radiator somehow is structurally deficient. Keep in mind the same thing happens with HWlabs, MCR, and just about every radiator out there. I don't understand where it would matter?

Squeezing the sides of the radiator is no different than pushing your thumb on the door panel of your GMC truck. It moves.......so are you driving a flimsy truck?

No, it doesn't matter. It's an appropriate design and materials working within acceptable stresses, it has nothing to do with your truck somehow being structurally deficient.

That's all I'm saying, and I don't design bridges...I'm just a roadway guy...
10-30-2008, 09:25 PM
Martinm210

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

Martin... I know you're an asphalt man at heart...:D

I know I am...:D. Much more enjoyable to drive on than concrete...:D

Again, to each their own, but to me it comes down to Texas Tough... If you can understand...:up:

That I am.....:D One of our office support staff is from Texas and sometimes I have to wonder who is working for whom?..:eek::ROTF:

:up:

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