4 cores in 1,Conroe E6600 8Mb Cache,Kentsfield result@MSI 975X

If you are going to give dumb responses, it would be better if you just stayed quiet. This applies to you, mako. I think that the age should be a required to be displayed in this forum. The problem is that guys like this person will certainly lie about it.

I really do not know who's Coolaler. That's why I asked. I visited his website and he just looks like another game player. Nothing professional. I doubt that a professional is going to sit down and play pointless computer games. So if you know for sure, I'd like to know.
And for all the apparent smartasses in here, you can pirate hardware. In some countries people are innately corrupt and even though it might not be legal, they will sell you "under the table" before the release date if they have links with the distributor. I am not talking about CPUs, but hardware technology in general.

It also angers me that I couldn't buy Conroe about a month ago (when it was out for to the distributors) and yet some "gamers" were able to get their hands on it. I was forced to buy AMD and yet I needed the CPU for research, not some PC game. So that's the reason I asked the question in my posting.

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Originally Posted by ExcelsiusXS

It also angers me that I couldn't buy Conroe about a month ago (when it was out for to the distributors) and yet some "gamers" were able to get their hands on it. I was forced to buy AMD and yet I needed the CPU for research, not some PC game. So that's the reason I asked the question in my posting.

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If you're not a distributer, you don't have anything to be angry about. The CPU isn't available to the public. If you couldn't find Conroe a month ago, then you weren't trying hard enough. (It was very easy).

You must be joking. Not only did I search all over google, but I also asked in forums if anyone could help (not in XS though). I even called those lazy reps at Intel, but to no avail. Could you give some info about as to how could I get it? If you can't write here, just PM me. As far as I knew, getting a conroe was not possible.
Needless to say, I am not satisfied with my AMD AM2 and am looking forward to getting the K8L ASAP (I read that it should work on AM2 socket). If AMD doesn't kick some intel ass in the next round I will be forced to get a new motherboard as well. That's not financially sound.

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Originally Posted by ExcelsiusXS

You must be joking. Not only did I search all over google, but I also asked in forums if anyone could help (not in XS though). I even called those lazy reps at Intel, but to no avail. Could you give some info about as to how could I get it? If you can't write here, just PM me. As far as I knew, getting a conroe was not possible.

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Lol you are a crazy guy, why does Intel owe you anything? If you are selling thousands of CPUs then you get samples, people in the companies that get samples give or sell them to their contacts in the industry, friends, gamers etc but they shouldn't really.
If you dont have the contacts in the industry then you live like everyone else and wait until launch day to buy one. Plus at launch you will get the latest stepping not some ES sample with more errata, usually worse overclocking, and no warranty.
BTW if quad core opteron benches are anything to go by AMD wont be coming back anytime soon, so I suggest you buy a new mobo.

i want you to run 3dmark 06 so i can see how quad core handles the 06 cpu tests

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Originally Posted by ExcelsiusXS

If you are going to give dumb responses, it would be better if you just stayed quiet. This applies to you, mako. I think that the age should be a required to be displayed in this forum. The problem is that guys like this person will certainly lie about it.

I really do not know who's Coolaler. That's why I asked. I visited his website and he just looks like another game player. Nothing professional. I doubt that a professional is going to sit down and play pointless computer games. So if you know for sure, I'd like to know.
And for all the apparent smartasses in here, you can pirate hardware. In some countries people are innately corrupt and even though it might not be legal, they will sell you "under the table" before the release date if they have links with the distributor. I am not talking about CPUs, but hardware technology in general.

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Coolaler is a well respected OC guy in Taiwan. he runs his own review website and being based in Taiwan is naturallly well connected.
Hope that helps you feel better since he probably had to give the Kentsfield back after his testing. But who knows :toast:

A professional can't play a computer game?

Ok back to serious
how do you guys get the 'hook-ups'?
i didnt know it was 'easy' to buy a conroe a month ago...
do you just google "i wanna buy a kentsfield"?
surely they make you pay out the ass for unreleased tech though, right?

Sorry off-topic post, but nice Ching Ming Wang bobblehead avatar Coolaler:hehe: :toast:

Wow the Kentsfield is looking good. I've heard and read that the Conroe compatible boards should support Kentsfield too so here's hoping to that.
What are the expected retail prices?

No idea on pricing, but I heard a rumour that Intel is pulling Kentsfield foreward into Q4 2006. Yeah it was in the Inq, but the were dead on about the ATi-AMD thing.

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Originally Posted by PGHammer

.... At the OS level, task-monitoring tools (such as Windows Task Manager) are, however, where the ground floor for multicore support can be added rather easily. Windows Task Manager can *already* detect multiple cores (either physical or virtual); what it lacks (on the desktop side) is core-affinity management for underlying tasks. (This is where Windows Server 2003 differs dramatically, as Task Manager in WS 2003 allows for core affinity or even specifically running an application on a specific numbered core, though the default is for core affinity. I don't know if Windows Vista's Task Manager keeps the core affinity tools that WS 2003 has.)

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Last I checked my copy of XP pro has the ability to set core affinity by adjusting it via the task manager.

http://www.informit.com/articles/art...&seqNum=2&rl=1

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Originally Posted by Cardnyl

Last I checked my copy of XP pro has the ability to set core affinity by adjusting it via the task manager.

http://www.informit.com/articles/art...&seqNum=2&rl=1

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Both Windows and Linux have the ability to bind processes to CPUs (which means cores in this context).

Problem is, this is almost always a bad idea on any computer that runs a mix of programs (desktop, webserver, fileserver etc.).

People overestimate how expensive the core switch is (if you do it rarely enough it is not) and people misunderstand how many things are actually running on their computer and demand CPU. In particular they forget that the kernel itself needs to get cracking every now and then, and it might need CPU but it almost always needs bandwidth and you don't want to run it through a floor of TLB misses just because you forced it onto the wrong CPU thanks to stupid affinity.

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Originally Posted by uOpt

Both Windows and Linux have the ability to bind processes to CPUs (which means cores in this context).

Problem is, this is almost always a bad idea on any computer that runs a mix of programs (desktop, webserver, fileserver etc.).

People overestimate how expensive the core switch is (if you do it rarely enough it is not) and people misunderstand how many things are actually running on their computer and demand CPU. In particular they forget that the kernel itself needs to get cracking every now and then, and it might need CPU but it almost always needs bandwidth and you don't want to run it through a floor of TLB misses just because you forced it onto the wrong CPU thanks to stupid affinity.

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For the average user, who at most is going to run maybe 2 games windowed and set the affinity of just those 2 games and leave the rest up to the OS as far as background processes are concerned (kernel activity, etc) how much of an impact are we talking about here?

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Originally Posted by Cardnyl

For the average user, who at most is going to run maybe 2 games windowed and set the affinity of just those 2 games and leave the rest up to the OS as far as background processes are concerned (kernel activity, etc) how much of an impact are we talking about here?

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You play two games at the same time? :)

The overall answer is that unless you benchmark something like SuperPi, or unless you want to identify a faulty core in testing such as by binding Mprime instances to them, or have hard real-time requirementsyou never want to set affinity for processes.

On a Windows system that is used interactively you always have the GUI screw with things just for starters.

The scheduler in the OS is not stupid. Even with no affinity set by the user it will try to keep processes and thread on the same CPU and only move a process when there is a good enough reason. The OS scheduler might make an occasional bad guess but overall it has much better information to make the decision what to run where than you.

The situation is different from e.g. VM systems where you often have situations where paging policies are identifyably braindead and you lock down some mapped files hard.

the msi 975x power up edition, also support Kensfield core?

Thanks...

Jaim3x

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Originally Posted by Jaim3x

the msi 975x power up edition, also support Kensfield core?

Thanks...

Jaim3x

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here is what Intel says about the 965 chipset:

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Originally Posted by Intel

1066/800/533 MHz System Bus Supports Intel® Coreâ„¢2 Duo processor, Intel® Pentium® D processor, Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with Hyper-Threading Technology (HT Technology)â€:banana:, and all other Intel® Pentium processors and Intel® Celeron® processors in the LGA775 socket, with scalability for future processor innovations.

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NOW...compare it with what is said for the 975 chipset:

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Originally Posted by Intel

1066-/800-MHz System Bus Supports Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor, Intel® Core™2 Duo processor, Intel® Pentium® processor Extreme Edition and Intel® Pentium® D processor to deliver higher performance for games and applications.

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it doesn't mean the 975X won't work with the Kentsfield since coolaler has proven it...it just says it was not designed in concept to accommodate the Kentsfield core.

Interesting... so (just to clarify)

the 965 chipset is designed to work with future processors - the Kentsfield - while the 975 is not (even though some might).

Bummer... from what I've read, the 975 works better with the e6600+ while the 965 chipset is better with e6400 (and lower). Not only that but (here I'm guessing kind of) the 975 is MORE expensive.

But in real life... BOTH chipsets are likely to support Kentsfield and so if anyone is planning to get a Conroe now and upgrade to a Kentsfield later it shouldn't matter whether he/she gets a 965 or a 975, right?

Sigh - not really sure if I want to go Allendale and Kentsfield or just 6800...

I know it seems easy, but I don't have easy insight into just at what point a dual core is likely to be saturated.

Factors that need sorting:

Even "when" games get more vigorously into SMP, it seems that the 2nd core is still likely to be used less than the main core thread, translating to full use of 1 core, and partial use of a 2nd, before OS and background ops.

Video drivers could add to the overhead mix, but really, by how much?

For most of what is out now, if you aren't 3D modeling, Wouldn't a Conroe > 3.5 really be just as good "in use" as Kentsfield at 3.0 or so? Just kind of hard to think what would saturate Conroe for more than a second or two, lol.

I did also notice that Kentsfield gets pretty toasty on the Tuniq at 3+ghz. That's certainly not a factor on extreme cooling, but it's definitely something that is back to liking at least water for everyday.

People are welcome to toss the ideas here - it's what we do. Just leave the AMD stuff out as that just clouds things and they are an ignoreable factor for the time being.

:)

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Originally Posted by lopri

This board is (when it comes out) my first choice for Conroe so far.

Edit: It's my 100th post, just realized. :D

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MSI 975X Platinum V.2
this is it

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Originally Posted by Anemone

Sigh - not really sure if I want to go Allendale and Kentsfield or just 6800...

I know it seems easy, but I don't have easy insight into just at what point a dual core is likely to be saturated.

Factors that need sorting:

Even "when" games get more vigorously into SMP, it seems that the 2nd core is still likely to be used less than the main core thread, translating to full use of 1 core, and partial use of a 2nd, before OS and background ops.

Video drivers could add to the overhead mix, but really, by how much?

For most of what is out now, if you aren't 3D modeling, Wouldn't a Conroe > 3.5 really be just as good "in use" as Kentsfield at 3.0 or so? Just kind of hard to think what would saturate Conroe for more than a second or two, lol.

I did also notice that Kentsfield gets pretty toasty on the Tuniq at 3+ghz. That's certainly not a factor on extreme cooling, but it's definitely something that is back to liking at least water for everyday.

People are welcome to toss the ideas here - it's what we do. Just leave the AMD stuff out as that just clouds things and they are an ignoreable factor for the time being.

:)

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I agree kentsfield isn't neccessary if you are mostly into gaming, but i want one anyway LOL. Does the DS3 support kentsfield? If so i will probably sell my Allendale and get one in 6 months or so.

Funily enough its aimed squarely at the gaming community.

Man, 2 months ago the X2 was the CPU to have, now it's not? The new Intel chips are looking mighty fine I must say. But not fine enough for me to sell what I got to get one.

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Originally Posted by Mako88

No.

At the resolutions most of us play at (1280x1024x4AAx16AF+), the video card will always be the limiting factor no matter if the CPU is multi-threaded or not.

At the resolution I play at (1920x1200x2AAx16AF), it wouldn't matter if you dropped a 32-core CPU in the system...the video card is maxed out and that's that.

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For your standard FPS game your right. Some games do benefit though they are in minority. Any game that heavily relys on AI, strategy games should improve nicely
Fear I think has its minimum frame rate improved which should make things smoother.

In future, games may use the dual core far more, for physics and so on.

Championship manager has been reprogrammed to use the second core for preparing the next round of the game in advance so preventing any boring waiting for the player.

By the time we can buy 32 core I think even gamers will appreciate it, for now it may be mostly unneeded but manufacturing processes make core technology cheaper to produce then high speeds so the future is certain in this respect and software will eventually reflect this properly

Let me reiterate what we often forget. When you have enough dual cores on the market that games start to be written to "take full advantage" of dual core cpu's, you can, and sometimes will tie up a dual core processor fully, putting you back, effectively, to running a game and tying up a single cpu. This will be true of more than games, and Intel is going full bore into getting folks to code for that full advantage. That literally means they expect one dual core cpu to get fully tied up. So yes, I do believe they are aiming Kentsfield at enthusiast gamers who will still want a functioning machine while playing that super Halo 5. :)

Also bear in mind that game programmers drop a lot of stuff to get things to "run in the designed envelope" of target machines. I would not doubt there is a long list of things they'd like to bring back to the table if machines bumped up a notch in power.

Kind of scary to think of a not so distant day when we can grind a 3.5ghz Conroe to a screeching halt...

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Also bear in mind that game programmers drop a lot of stuff to get things to "run in the designed envelope" of target machines. I would not doubt there is a long list of things they'd like to bring back to the table if machines bumped up a notch in power.

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It's really not that simple.

There are generally two ways to make a program use multiple CPUs:

• Find something to do "one the side" while you main program is running on CPU0, that means CPU1is doing something different than CPU0, so there is few opportunity to screw up and have both CPUs globber each other's work
• Split up computationally expensive tasks into schedulable entities, that means CPU0 and CPU1 (and all other CPUs) do the same thing, just on different chunks of data. Identifying these different chunks of data and properly locking them is very non-trivial

As far as I can tell, most games do the former these days. However, there are strict limits about what you can do. You can often come up with things to do for a second CPU, but for 4 CPUs that is less likely to be low-hanging fruit.

Doing it right, the second way, usually gives you good scaling to many CPUs, but it is much harder to do.

I expect that current games are not making use of more than 2 CPUs, and that the step from 2 to 4+ CPUs will take them exactly as long as doing 2-CPU code in first place. Since there will be low pressure from the customers (too few with more than 2 CPUs) that can take quite a while.