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05-08-2010, 04:08 PM
lord_dizzy

XP drivers please!

Hello SoLoR, maybe you have some time to do the same thing for XP SounMax drivers soon! BTW: brilliant!:clap:

LE: I have yours 0001SLIC ROM dated from 20/04/2010; now it's from 13/04/2010. Why older? Should I bother to update?
05-09-2010, 12:17 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_dizzy

Hello SoLoR, maybe you have some time to do the same thing for XP SounMax drivers soon! BTW: brilliant!:clap:

LE: I have yours 0001SLIC ROM dated from 20/04/2010; now it's from 13/04/2010. Why older? Should I bother to update?

They are 2 0001 bioses here 0001SLIC is with ONLY asus slic added, 0001MOD is also with new intel and jmb option roms. That date is wrong btw... i think that 20th bios was just moded that day, acutual bios date is still 13th :) i think you had first moded bios that have still "old" jmb option rom,0001MOD have new one, however i would bother since its minor difference anyway.

About drivers for XP, hm main issue is, i know drivers for XP installs some "soundmax" software as well and i dont know if i can safely delete from moded drivers or not. I assume i can, but cant be sure really and i didnt have XP installed for few years... Maybe ill just create drivers in a day or two and someone can try them :)
05-09-2010, 01:55 AM
Spyrus

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

Anyone interested to run Creative software instead of crappy soundmax (Full EAX up to 4.0 and not "emulated" one, Creative Alchemy for OpenAL etc etc)? I moded drivers and software for Rampage II Extreme to work on our cards....

Try them and post later

Edit mmm seems driver to be installed but cannot see how to play with equalizer like soundmax.

I guess i need all files to install not only newer driver... ok report back
05-09-2010, 05:59 AM
lord_dizzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

i think you had first moded bios that have still "old" jmb option rom,0001MOD have new one

OK, I will try your new 0001SLIC then (=MOD+SLIC), thanx for clarification.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

Maybe ill just create drivers in a day or two and someone can try them :)

Count me in then. Good luck! :hrhr:
05-09-2010, 07:04 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_dizzy

OK, I will try your new 0001SLIC then (=MOD+SLIC), thanx for clarification.

Use 0001MOD.ROM, thats most "moded" one (unless you get some problems with fine delays)... SLIC have only Asus SLIC in and it was made more or less only for testing.
05-09-2010, 07:09 AM
lord_dizzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

Use 0001MOD.ROM, thats most "moded" one (unless you get some problems with fine delays)... SLIC have only Asus SLIC in and it was made more or less only for testing.

Got it this time, thank you!
05-09-2010, 07:13 AM
Spyrus

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Originally Posted by SoLoR

here is everything that is needed.

Its only for Vista/Win7, because XP have stuff done a bit differently and i would probably need to test it.

Anyway first remove old soundmax drivers and Host OpenAL (ADI). Then install "by the numbers" and reboot at the end. One thing about those virus warning. That suppose to be infected BUT it only infects Delphi libraries, so if you are not delphi developer it wont do anything (and i did use this program a couple of times without any issues since it dont have delphi). Sadly this licenses needs to be generated per computer, so you cant make then in VM or copy from other computer, but good thing is after they are created you can back up *.kga files from ProgramData/Creative/SoftwareLock and just copy next time you reformat. If someone finds some issues with drivers let me know. I know one issue is, Mic Boost is gone and didnt found a way how to fix it yet.

edit: v2 version of drivers fixes micboost issue.

Up to now i only installed 6600 driver.
What else should i do?
Where do i find the other software?
What to do with 2 files of MB.7z.001 & MB.7z.002?
They are not zip files are they?

Tried to install this but did not work:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/misc/...pVistaWin7.zip
05-09-2010, 07:21 AM
lord_dizzy

Use 7-zip to extract; it's a two-part archive (001 & 002)
05-09-2010, 10:44 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrus

What to do with 2 files of MB.7z.001 & MB.7z.002?
They are not zip files are they?

Tried to install this but did not work:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/misc/...pVistaWin7.zip

Yes 7zip and unpack... and ofc "offical" software wont work because it needs to be moded (change PIDs) and then repacked.
05-09-2010, 11:39 AM
Spyrus

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Ok i think i have problem with step 3 - with licence
I can find this path in Win 7 x64 C:\ProgramData\Creative Labs\Licenses with one dat file.
Is this correct?
Should i run the 3 step inside a specific folder like windows \ system?
05-09-2010, 12:01 PM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrus

Ok i think i have problem with step 3 - with licence
I can find this path in Win 7 x64 C:\ProgramData\Creative Labs\Licenses with one dat file.
Is this correct?
Should i run the 3 step inside a specific folder like windows \ system?

That program creates .kga files (11 of them) and puts them in to C:\ProgramData\Creative Labs\SoftwareLock you need to run that .cmd as administrator or it wont work.
05-09-2010, 12:09 PM
Spyrus

Did it had to turn off antivirus
05-09-2010, 12:19 PM
SoLoR

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Originally Posted by Spyrus

Did it had to turn off antivirus

Ye that might be an issue. Its Delphi only virus, so if you dont have delphi it doesnt infect anything and even if you have delphi it doesnt do any actual harm, just spreads around... i dont like it eather, but sadly i didnt find any other version of this program...
05-09-2010, 12:24 PM
Alien Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

Use 0001MOD.ROM, thats most "moded" one (unless you get some problems with fine delays)... SLIC have only Asus SLIC in and it was made more or less only for testing.

Yeah... Now I know why ASUS doesn't want to update the option Roms. With the updated option ROMs in the MOD BIOS it isn't possible anymore to run stable at 4.05GHz and DDR 1199MHz with tRD 6 and tREF 16120T with the same settings that I was using with the original BIOS.

The DRAM Clock Fine Delays are different. With the original BIOS they were 9-8-9-8 and with the MOD BIOS they are 10-8-10-8. That makes it unstable and fails LinX after a couple of passes.
I could get them back on 9-8-9-8 but only with lowering the NB Voltage from 1.27V in the BIOS to 1.25V in the BIOS. With a NB Voltage of 1.25V or 1.23V real it's to low to run stable and fails almost immediately.

If you don't have any luck with the original one, try the MOD BIOS with the updated option ROMs. The small difference could be enough to have something stable that wasn't stable with the original one. Something changes in the BIOS when you update the option ROMs and you can see that with the change of the DRAM Clock Fine Delays.

I'm going to run some tests later with the MOD BIOS to try to run it stable at 9 X 470MHz and DDR 1253MHz with tRD 6. Maybe it's going to work or maybe it isn't but I always had the feeling that I had to use more NB Voltage to try to run it stable at these speeds and that it also was the problem that made it unstable again. Maybe I need the DRAM Clock Fine Delays that come with the higher NB Voltage in the original one but I also need lower NB Voltage so the updated option ROMs could be the fix for the stability problems.
05-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Trust13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alien Grey

Yeah... Now I know why ASUS doesn't want to update the option Roms. With the updated option ROMs in the MOD BIOS it isn't possible anymore to run stable at 4.05GHz and DDR 1199MHz with tRD 6 and tREF 16120T with the same settings that I was using with the original BIOS.

The DRAM Clock Fine Delays are different. With the original BIOS they were 9-8-9-8 and with the MOD BIOS they are 10-8-10-8. That makes it unstable and fails LinX after a couple of passes.
I could get them back on 9-8-9-8 but only with lowering the NB Voltage from 1.27V in the BIOS to 1.25V in the BIOS. With a NB Voltage of 1.25V or 1.23V real it's to low to run stable and fails almost immediately.

If you don't have any luck with the original one, try the MOD BIOS with the updated option ROMs. The small difference could be enough to have something stable that wasn't stable with the original one. Something changes in the BIOS when you update the option ROMs and you can see that with the change of the DRAM Clock Fine Delays.

I'm going to run some tests later with the MOD BIOS to try to run it stable at 9 X 470MHz and DDR 1253MHz with tRD 6. Maybe it's going to work or maybe it isn't but I always had the feeling that I had to use more NB Voltage to try to run it stable at these speeds and that it also was the problem that made it unstable again. Maybe I need the DRAM Clock Fine Delays that come with the higher NB Voltage in the original one but I also need lower NB Voltage so the updated option ROMs could be the fix for the stability problems.

i made the same experience...
To get 4.04GHz stable again with the 0001.mod Bios i had to raise NB Voltage and VTT.
But on the other hand, i could improve my 4.2 Ghz setting to 1.37v vNB with only 1.20v VTT, tREF is 10400:

http://www.abload.de/img/q9650-4.2ghz-1.248-2vr47t.jpg
05-09-2010, 11:11 PM
Spyrus

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

Well "offical" drivers have EAX up to 2.0 and "emulated" one up to 4.0, however that eax drivers are old (host openal (adi) that takes care for openal/eax is from mid 2008) and i wouldnt be suprised if they dont work with most of games this days. With this you get pure EAX support up to 4.0 and alchemy working :) and i dont think its CPU processed i think "emulated" EAX is CPU processed, this one i think its real deal...

I had before Soundmax 6585 drivers and also openAL latest summer 2009 with no issues.

What we have now is a newer 6600 soundmax driver, soundblaster software from rampage extreme and a 'hack' in order to make our sound chipset AD1988B
to be recognized as Extreme's chipset AD2000B, right?

And i read from http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...Mih&templete=2
that now we have EAX 4.0 advanced and some other feature like creative's you mentioned.

How can this be possible since is another sound chipset?
And why we have updated soundmax drivers? In order to work with Creative Software?
05-09-2010, 11:20 PM
Per Hansson

Hi guys, does any of these soundcard mods work on the SupremeFX II 8-CH Audio in the Maximus Formula / Rampage formula or is it only for the Rampage II Extreme with SupremeFX X-Fi?
05-09-2010, 11:38 PM
Spyrus

They work according to SoLoR and i will test them later today.
First if equalizer works and secondly if Creative Alchemy can up-mix stereo games to surround games (5.1, 4 channel etc)

Edit: i believe SoLaR but i like to look at this deeper :)
05-10-2010, 01:23 AM
leo27

@SoLoR
Just to make sure are the x-fi drivers 64-bit??

@A-Grey
That's interesting that adding updated Rom's could cause that. Could you please investigate that further since it sounds a bit odd
thanks
05-10-2010, 01:26 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrus

I had before Soundmax 6585 drivers and also openAL latest summer 2009 with no issues.

What we have now is a newer 6600 soundmax driver, soundblaster software from rampage extreme and a 'hack' in order to make our sound chipset AD1988B
to be recognized as Extreme's chipset AD2000B, right?

No, openAL "wrapper" can be latest one (from nov 2009), but "driver" is from 2008. about the other thing, kinda frist of all officaly this Rampage II Extreme sound chip is 1989B (i dont know what they advertise it for). And what exactly is done is, i took those 6600 drivers and changed pids and registry settings to reflect 1988B. Then I took that software pack, updated it with all the latest creative components (because that pack have few outdated ones) and change PIDs to change 1989B chip to 1988B chip. This needs to be changed on about 4 places inside certian components cab files (cab needs to be unpacked, changed and repacked). Then its was only issue more with generating license files, im not sure why they are not generated automaticaly but oh well, since we can generate them with program i was using for DDL/DTS decoder until i had X-Fi i didnt bother much with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Per Hansson

Hi guys, does any of these soundcard mods work on the SupremeFX II 8-CH Audio in the Maximus Formula / Rampage formula or is it only for the Rampage II Extreme with SupremeFX X-Fi?

This mods are for 1988B chip, if you have mobo with 1988B audio chip and Win7/Vista this moded drivers will work for you. Also btw im quiet sure all newer onboard audio chips can run this software... like realtek/soundmax/sigmatel, because i know for a fact at least gigabyte was offering "trial" X-Fi software for some of their mobos with Realtek chips.
05-10-2010, 01:28 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by leo27

@SoLoR
Just to make sure are the x-fi drivers 64-bit??

both for Win7/Vista. Oh well actualy 32bit was not tested by me, but there is no reason why it shouldnt work, but 64bit works 100%.
05-10-2010, 02:16 AM
Spyrus

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoR

No, openAL "wrapper" can be latest one (from nov 2009), but "driver" is from 2008. about the other thing, kinda frist of all officaly this Rampage II Extreme sound chip is 1989B (i dont know what they advertise it for). And what exactly is done is, i took those 6600 drivers and changed pids and registry settings to reflect 1988B. Then I took that software pack, updated it with all the latest creative components (because that pack have few outdated ones) and change PIDs to change 1989B chip to 1988B chip. This needs to be changed on about 4 places inside certian components cab files (cab needs to be unpacked, changed and repacked). Then its was only issue more with generating license files, im not sure why they are not generated automaticaly but oh well, since we can generate them with program i was using for DDL/DTS decoder until i had X-Fi i didnt bother much with it.

This mods are for 1988B chip, if you have mobo with 1988B audio chip and Win7/Vista this moded drivers will work for you. Also btw im quiet sure all newer onboard audio chips can run this software... like realtek/soundmax/sigmatel, because i know for a fact at least gigabyte was offering "trial" X-Fi software for some of their mobos with Realtek chips.

These 6600 are the WHQL of extreme mobo right?
I remember finding them but could not run in my mobo.
Why are not WHQL the ones you gave?
Maybe we can find newer in ftp of ASUS and moded to work
with our chipset ;)
05-10-2010, 02:20 AM
Alien Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by leo27

@A-Grey
That's interesting that adding updated Rom's could cause that. Could you please investigate that further since it sounds a bit odd
thanks

I did that and SoLoR made a BIOS with only the ASUS SLIC 2.1 added to find out if it would make changes in the BIOS. The BIOS with ASUS SLIC 2.1 is exactly like the original one so the option ROMs make the difference.

I'm not sure but maybe the updated option ROMs are for P45 chipset. :shrug:
05-10-2010, 02:24 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrus

These 6600 are the WHQL of extreme mobo right?
I remember finding them but could not run in my mobo.
Why are not WHQL the ones you gave?
Maybe we can find newer in ftp of ASUS and moded to work
with our chipset ;)

They are not WHQL because they are MODED and hashes does not match. As soon as you modify any file in drivers (and you need to modify them, if you want to run them on 1988B chip) hashes wont match and WHQL certificate is gone. And no before you ask, you cant not mod that as well, WHQL certificate is signed with MS cert and we dont have that. Newest driver i found was 6610 from intel, but for some reason it does not work with creative software. I checked everything, this is "it" for now :) well maybe ill try to fix this licensing crap, because licenses not being automaticaly generated bugs me, question is, if it bugs me enough to fix it since there is workaround :)
05-10-2010, 02:26 AM
SoLoR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alien Grey

I'm not sure but maybe the updated option ROMs are for P45 chipset. :shrug:

hm, more like P55+ :) thing is they should be more or less "generic", but yes its odd anyway... i first noticed this "random" fine delay on 0902 bios, but since it didnt effect my stability i didnt bother, but its also true im using moded bioses all the time...

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