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06-21-2008, 02:06 AM
bill_d

i think some partners will do a 1gb 4870 but don't know if it will be out with the 4870 512mb or latter
06-21-2008, 02:15 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by bill_d

i think some partners will do a 1gb 4870 but don't know if it will be out with the 4870 512mb or latter

I hope it is out next week :)

Then I'll be back on the red :up:

would be nice to leave the green collective :p:
will thr r770 support soft particles in OpenGL?

The hd38xx did not :(

John
06-21-2008, 02:23 AM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Haha yes not meaning to sound too much like an nVidia fanboy again (nVidiot), but ATi have still not quite got a launch right.
However I think that this Launch is perhaps the BEST ATi Launch ever. I mean seriously would you rather reviews come months before cards hit the shelves?

OR what we have now, cards out in the wild and then ATi having to lift NDA's the market being flooded etc before Toms Hardware and other review sites can get their reviews out on paper!

I am looking forward to the HD4870.....but ONLY if they do a 1GB model, I have read around on ASUS site that it looks like they might not be doing a 1GB model...if that is true then I may be saving for the Zotac AMP GTX280!

If not

Then 2x HD4870 1GB cards for me :p:

John

Looks like Connect3D will have a 1GB model.

http://www.technodiscount.com/webmar...php?p_id=12026
06-21-2008, 02:26 AM
flopper

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Then 2x HD4870 1GB cards for me :p:
John

I guess that card will be xtreme:clap::up:
06-21-2008, 02:27 AM
madcho

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

Madcho, did you hear any rumour of 175Mhz Powerplay clock, or something near that?

I think there were rumours of that running around.

the only thing i heard is 300mhz.
06-21-2008, 03:06 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by LowRun

Looks like Connect3D will have a 1GB model.

http://www.technodiscount.com/webmar...php?p_id=12026

Wicked thanks Lowrun :up:

Does anyone know if the HD4800 series supports soft Particles in Quake Wars, if not...why not?

I mean these are DX 10.1 cards so surely support everything and the kitchen sink! (well everything except physx).

Indeed Mr flopper

would hope that 2x HD4870 1GB cards would be more extreme than my G92 GTS! I love this card to bits but high res FSAA with AF struggles a wee bit in new games. :(

John
06-21-2008, 03:07 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by madcho

the only thing i heard is 300mhz.

I have only seen slides, of which we aren't even sure whether they were legit, that said these cards will consume 10Watts when idle. That 300 MHz. is what the 3870 clocked to when idle though and I think that a RV770 has to go lower than that to be able to draw only 10 watts when idling.
06-21-2008, 03:19 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by Helmore

I have only seen slides, of which we aren't even sure whether they were legit, that said these cards will consume 10Watts when idle. That 300 MHz. is what the 3870 clocked to when idle though and I think that a RV770 has to go lower than that to be able to draw only 10 watts when idling.

Alien Technology?
06-21-2008, 03:21 AM
madmossy

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Wicked thanks Lowrun :up:

Does anyone know if the HD4800 series supports soft Particles in Quake Wars, if not...why not?

I mean these are DX 10.1 cards so surely support everything and the kitchen sink! (well everything except physx).

Indeed Mr flopper

would hope that 2x HD4870 1GB cards would be more extreme than my G92 GTS! I love this card to bits but high res FSAA with AF struggles a wee bit in new games. :(

John

ATI could infact support Physx, they would need to adopt CUDA to there own CTM system, nvidia have already said they could adopt cuda, so its upto ATI if they do or not.
06-21-2008, 03:26 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by madmossy

ATI could infact support Physx, they would need to adopt CUDA to there own CTM system, nvidia have already said they could adopt cuda, so its upto ATI if they do or not.

ATI apparently has more faith in open standards like Brook+ and OpenCL and their backing goes to those coding languages. BTW, Brook+ is basically born in the same place as CUDA :p:, it's just that Brook+ is open source and CUDA is not. Otherwise check this article on ATI's doing in GPGPU:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14968
06-21-2008, 03:36 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by Helmore

ATI apparently has more faith in open standards like Brook+ and OpenCL and their backing goes to those coding languages. BTW, Brook+ is basically born in the same place as CUDA :p:, it's just that Brook+ is open source and CUDA is not. Otherwise check this article on ATI's doing in GPGPU:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14968

Interesting... I smell driver mods/hacks or something which may perhaps "wrap" one to the other.......
06-21-2008, 04:05 AM
madmossy

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Originally Posted by Helmore

ATI apparently has more faith in open standards like Brook+ and OpenCL and their backing goes to those coding languages. BTW, Brook+ is basically born in the same place as CUDA :p:, it's just that Brook+ is open source and CUDA is not. Otherwise check this article on ATI's doing in GPGPU:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14968

Still ATI need to support Physx, not just because nvidia do, but because unfortunately for us nvidia have the largest market share and they will push it, if its not supported in hardware we end up with a situation where some software titles get a massive boost over others for different hardware brands.

This can already be seen with 3dmark vantage making use of the physx acceleration offered by the 9800's gtx 260/280's.

Atleast one this is good though, with ati and blizzard teaming we should see a drastic increase in ati's market share, with 10 million people seeing "made for ati etc" as they fire up wow it should sell alot more cards.
06-21-2008, 04:23 AM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by madmossy

Still ATI need to support Physx, not just because nvidia do, but because unfortunately for us nvidia have the largest market share and they will push it, if its not supported in hardware we end up with a situation where some software titles get a massive boost over others for different hardware brands.

This can already be seen with 3dmark vantage making use of the physx acceleration offered by the 9800's gtx 260/280's.

Atleast one this is good though, with ati and blizzard teaming we should see a drastic increase in ati's market share, with 10 million people seeing "made for ati etc" as they fire up wow it should sell alot more cards.

I have a big feeling that FM might release a 3DV 1.02 and change the scoring on PhysX and CPUs. Since unlike the PPU, the GPU has to work on other stuff when gaming, and pure speed in Vantage is not representative of the gaming experience/speed with PhysX otherwise.
06-21-2008, 04:36 AM
flopper

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Originally Posted by madmossy

Atleast one this is good though, with ati and blizzard teaming we should see a drastic increase in ati's market share, with 10 million people seeing "made for ati etc" as they fire up wow it should sell alot more cards.

Go WoW!
:rofl:

However, love the commerials Blizzard are doing, when a game even as it is now gets into tv-series, commercials even as it is popular that would give ati a good push.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/new-w...ner-325030.php
When even capt Kirk is joining you know its good.:D
06-21-2008, 04:50 AM
munim

Big thread, so I'm just gonna pipe in for a quick question. What's confirmed about the 4870? Is it just a faster core with more memory bandwidth? Is the reference card going to have 1GB of vram or just 512?
06-21-2008, 05:10 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by munim

Big thread, so I'm just gonna pipe in for a quick question. What's confirmed about the 4870? Is it just a faster core with more memory bandwidth? Is the reference card going to have 1GB of vram or just 512?

The 4850 and 4870 will both have the same chip, both the full version so no disabling of parts. Clocks on the 4850 are 625 MHz. and for the 4870 it's 750 as reference speeds. 4850 will have 512MB GDDR3 at just under an effective clock of 2 GHz. (64 GB/s bandwidth) and the 4870 will have 512MB of GDDR5 with an effective clock of 3,6GHz. (115GB/s bandwidth). That's the specs for the reference design cards. There will of course be makers of boards with standard overclocked versions and more RAM, there have already been reports/announcements and sightings of boards with 1GB of RAM for both the 4850 and 4870.
06-21-2008, 05:18 AM
rozzyroz

I have a small request. I have 2 7900gto's, and am looking to upgrade my videocard's because they dont support the required refresh rate for my new monitors native resolution (1920x1200 60hz). I am torn between the 8800gts for $159 after MIR and the 4850.

the request is if someone with an 8800gts and a 4850 could go the everquest 2 trial download, and see what one runs it better. or if you all ready have it, tell me how it performs.

i know its an odd request, but there arent too many people reviewing this game, and its the one i spend most of my gaming time on. I would just snag the 8800gts up, but ive heard of issues with the 8x00 series cards and eq2.

thanks!
06-21-2008, 05:23 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by rozzyroz

I have a small request. I have 2 7900gto's, and am looking to upgrade my videocard's because they dont support the required refresh rate for my new monitors native resolution (1920x1200 60hz). I am torn between the 8800gts for $159 after MIR and the 4850.

the request is if someone with an 8800gts and a 4850 could go the everquest 2 trial download, and see what one runs it better. or if you all ready have it, tell me how it performs.

i know its an odd request, but there arent too many people reviewing this game, and its the one i spend most of my gaming time on. I would just snag the 8800gts up, but ive heard of issues with the 8x00 series cards and eq2.

thanks!

Well the 4850 is already cheaper than a 8800GTS512 here in the Netherlands and the 4850 is quite a bit faster on average than the 8800, especially when you crank up the AA and AF. Maybe you should check out performance of the 3870, a 4850 performs close to twice as fast as a 3870.
06-21-2008, 05:47 AM
Xello

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Originally Posted by madmossy

with ati and blizzard teaming we should see a drastic increase in ati's market share, with 10 million people seeing "made for ati etc" as they fire up wow it should sell alot more cards.

Hmm, i'm not sure WoW is the best game to partner with to sell cards, it runs pretty well on a Radeon 9800. I wonder what the logic is in this partnership.
06-21-2008, 05:50 AM
spicypixel

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Originally Posted by Xello

Hmm, i'm not sure WoW is the best game to partner with to sell cards, it doesn't exactly need a recent video card to run it even @ max settings. I wonder what the logic is in this partnership.

One would presume they are likely to bundle a 10day trial or something with the ATI cards, or more importantly optimise WoW2 around a ATI architecture. 10million users is a nice base to have if and when a sequel comes out.
06-21-2008, 06:01 AM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by rozzyroz

I have a small request. I have 2 7900gto's, and am looking to upgrade my videocard's because they dont support the required refresh rate for my new monitors native resolution (1920x1200 60hz). I am torn between the 8800gts for $159 after MIR and the 4850.

the request is if someone with an 8800gts and a 4850 could go the everquest 2 trial download, and see what one runs it better. or if you all ready have it, tell me how it performs.

i know its an odd request, but there arent too many people reviewing this game, and its the one i spend most of my gaming time on. I would just snag the 8800gts up, but ive heard of issues with the 8x00 series cards and eq2.

thanks!

If I told you that Best Buy has the Visiontek 4850 for $150 (25%), would that change your mind? ;)
06-21-2008, 06:05 AM
Monkeywoman

there are a total of 84 games that use PhysX. there are over 150 that use Havok which is soon to be adopted by ATI. Nvidia might have the upper hand now but when physics acceleration is added to Catalyst then there would be more benefit to own a Radeon card. BTW starcraft 2 uses Havok, that might be a push for ATI.
06-21-2008, 06:07 AM
pellen

Don't forget Starcraft II that is released sometime this H2 :)
06-21-2008, 06:12 AM
bowman

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Originally Posted by Xello

Hmm, i'm not sure WoW is the best game to partner with to sell cards, it runs pretty well on a Radeon 9800. I wonder what the logic is in this partnership.

Starcraft 2, their unknown, un-named 'next generation MMO', anything else they might bother with.. Diablo 3, etc :p:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/world-of-st...mmo-255852.php
06-21-2008, 06:34 AM
mascaras

here in PT HD4870 512MB already anounced for next week (28th)

price = 279€ (512MB GDDR5 version)

regards

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