lol, im sure the sensor is different, and i like how they DID gripe about going thru 7 motherboards
which does help ppl understand intels prolems
lol epox board was fried with in 10 minutes
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lol, im sure the sensor is different, and i like how they DID gripe about going thru 7 motherboards
which does help ppl understand intels prolems
lol epox board was fried with in 10 minutes
Is there some icebox next to that air intake ? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
hell no! what happened? Intel's rig now only at 70C max??? running straight 15hours??? what other cheats they use for Intel's?
second update with mostly changes for Intel's rig, bah THG should be awarded "The worst IT website 2005"
lol, LOE, tell me son, how many programs do u run at once? cuz i seriously doubt whatever you do on a daily basis will ever put much stess on teh AMD system, plus with amd you wont have any problems findin a motherboard to fit it, as the intel, you will have to wait a while before a motherboard taht is stable comes out
seriously, i still dont think intell is doing that great, i mean, they have "4" cores, and amd has 2 so i would hope intel would do ALOT better
I think he was being *sarcastic* lol
How are you all determining power consumption?
I can't find it on the site.
I was talking to Fugger and he was the mentioned the BTX cooler thing.. seems that fugger is wrong about this... i shall be editing my post...
I am not wrong, the heatsink that THG is using is one of the first designs and was shipped with a lot of retail CPU's
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2005...tium_d-06.html
It clearly has no shroud. I have seen every sink design from Intel made since the 486.
http://www.tomshardware.com/stresstest/intel.html
Totally defeating the purpose of BTX all together
Attached is the reference design for the heatsink THG used. It is made for BTX case weather you guys believe it or now.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=32191
go pull the fan shroud off your car and drive it across the desert.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=32192
This BTX case side is off a Intel reference machine.
I hope some of you caught the jokes.
"I stayed at a holliday inn last night" was from commercials
"Trunk Monkey" and as well
Hah hes got you there
Such drama over a test so meaningless ran by a site noone respects to start with. Yeah!
I especially liked your Helen Keller comment Fugger:rotf:
Anyway, I heard that after seeing this test Iran and N.Korea are canning their nuclear weapons programs- they're developing missiles containing 500 Pentium D's instead.
Okey, so obviously tom's screwed up and ran the test without the BTX heatsink. But one question remains though, do you HAVE to own a damned BTX case just to run this monster of a CPU at only its stock settings? Thats ridiculous.
why they changed to the enermax psu if the pcp&p turbo cool is 1000 time better than that?
they changed it becuase they wanted to remove the posiblity for ANY of the other parts in the system to be cuasing the problem with the crashes. they were NOT implying that the P&C was the issue but to elimate it as a possible issue they removed it with new hardware.
instead of searching out what was the problem and replacing parts one by one they decided to do a full switchout... not exactly the greatest methodolgy for a creditable stress test but its THG.
It is still a $hit test no matter what...and because of the reboots Intel has everything set to high priorties well the AMD system has been on the hole time...
Dragon
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Originally Posted by trance565
My guess is GFX raised case temp which in turn raised the air cpu was trying to cool with, so higher cpu temps.
Of course that means your point is still valid since dell isn't known for great case cooling. But they also aren't known for great videocards.
Keep in mind that they performance scores aren't equatible with the uptime scores (for intel anyway). They are cumulative of all the work done since the global reset ~ 50 hr ago. So AMD SHOULD still win farcry and Winrar. Intel will probably win Encoding (which is a joke, AMD is performing much worse there than it was before the reset. They obviously gimped it somehow) and the last test (surprise, surprise).
Noldor, Intel tried to release the BTX spec and no case mfg really stepped up to uphold BTX. There is like one on the shelf at Fry's
To better answer your question, no. A BTX case is not needed but switching to a aftermarket fan would be a good idea as the older BTX fan is near usless without the side shroud that it was designed to use.
I was running for weeks on heatsink at 266x14 (3.73Ghz) without any problems.
i thougt the idea of btx was to blow the air through the heatsink from the side and not from the top onto it? the idea of btx is to shroud the airflow from the front pf the case to the back of the case, this wind tunnel doesnt work if you have a fan on top of the heatsink blowing air onto it from the top.
if this is a btx heatsink then every single hardware site was stupid enough to think its an atx heatsink and used it in their reviews, without a shroud of any kind:
trustedreviews 840 review shows the very same heatsink
http://www.trustedreviews.com/articl...e=2756&head=60
hexus.net has the same heatsink for the 840EE
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...VybF9wYWdlPTQ=
hothardware uses the very same heatsink as well
http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=659&cid=1
firiginsquad 840ee review, same heatsink
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._840/page5.asp
hardocp review, same heatsink
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzU2
xbitlabs review, same heatsink
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...ium-840_6.html
anandtech 840ee review, same heatsink
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2388&p=3
bbtw, did anybody else notice those weird white windows that popped up on both systems?
whats that? did they both crash?
does anybody have screenshots of the old performence stats before thg reset everything and removed the stats and logs?
i just finished the news thread and will post this on the front page now :D
stop that BTX talk, they were using standard coolers that INTEL provided with ATX board.
What the hell they are up to ?Quote:
bbtw, did anybody else notice those weird white windows that popped up on both systems?
Are they trying to hide error messages from Intel system ?
screenshot (sorry it's BMP, im lazy and i want to punish my ISP).
Yes Hans, that is true
The side panel I picuted is from a reference BTX machine I own and it was provided by Intel. The Heatsink fan I pictured is the original BTX design that was delivered the above said BTX case.
Yes Intel shipped a lot of these and yes Intel has changed the spec on BTX.
You guys can argue with an Intel developer that has the reference designs on hand? Try and open your eyes and look at the picture, it is obvious that the fan has no shroud. The shroud I pointed out (granted it is hard to find on the shelf) is the correct hardware for that setup.
FYI 955 is a BTX board, last ATX board was the 875 chipset. BTX boards are exact to ATX boards less the percise placement of CPU in relation to the shroud I posted a pic of.
My Intel reference machine (BTX standard) will fit any 915, 925, 945 and 955 mobo perfectly.
but fugger why they are selling cpus with btx standar if almost nobody has a btx case :S could you explain that to me please?
Fugger you're just wrong. All 955x boards are ATX. Intel even says so in black and white here: http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bk/
Are you going to argue with Intels web site?
Futhermore BTX is instantly recognisable by the expansion slots are on opposite sides as ATX.
eDIT
BTX
ATX
Notice everything on the board has switched sides. Memory, xpansion slots, etc and the processor is placed infront of the board where it can get the coldest incoming air as possible.
( I always thought this idea was stupid though cause you heat the case and other IC's more than if processor is last thing out...Intel will dump this BTX idea next year with chips that even run cooler than A64s..memron..conroe etc)
Thats some tweaked design that is been made from ATX system, it is NOT BTX reference design.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Idea in that design is that it gives fresh air to CPU just like in BTX cases.
It's temporary solution that probably just mimics BTX thermal characteristics.
Hans, I am a Intel developer and that is from my BTX refence system. The spec has changed since then but many of those heat sinks hit the retail market and were shipped with the processors to the reviewers.
I have expressed the problem to Intel about giving reviewers the incorrect supporting hardware a few times now.
My case was designed for that sink and that is obvious.
Trust me, I have seen every revision and know that heat sink well. open your eyes and you will see it has no shroud, use common sense and figure out that without the shroud the air movement down is reduced greatly.
If you had the case like mine (sold at Frys and Compusa) you would know it make a huge difference in the operation of that heatsink. Night and day difference.
Intel website has been update to show current BTX. I was on BTX so long ago and I tested the sinks you are seeing now on all those review sites. I expressed my concerns about this problem and un educated people running the open fans (exp this stress test crap) Without it, it is going to fail over and over again under load. Why do you think so many people complained of Prescott temps?
All motherboards 875 and newer support BTX standard as well as ATX. AMD guys are clueless and I am speaking jibberish.