Feser's New Lineup

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Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun

so is it confirmed these rads have alu in them?

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i think the only thing confirmed at this point is that the feser website is an assualt on your senses

Feser Admiral radiators - release delayed

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Originally Posted by Artem

We tried to contact Feser in order to clarify some details about its new radiator line-up Admiral. Unfortunately, there is nothing new we could find – the manufacturer stated they continue to work on the radiators, which, WE BELIEVE, will inevitably lead to changes in some specifications, published earlier. The actual release date of the final product is also delayed.

Despite the great interest to Feser’s new radiators, we’ll all have to wait a bit more – Admiral rads is a new generation of radiators for PC water-cooling with all its wealth of innovation.

Manufacturer has to create new product practically from scratch so to please us with best performance and reliability of the product.

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http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...e-delayed.html

:rofl::ROTF:

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Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun

so is it confirmed these rads have alu in them?

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Not confirmed, only rumoured.

Facepalm.....


Running out of reasons to dissagree with WL...

I know it is five years in Hypersleep to get back from Pandora, so these MUST be made from Unobtainium.

any link for test review on these rads full of innovations ;)

No Rads...no Test, simple as counting to 3 :) Maybe Release until Xmas ? Who knows......

http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...&cPath=154_155

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Late October

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Tomorrow? :rofl::ROTF:

They probably tested them in house and discovered that they can't perform that well compared to what we have already. They will probably redesign it about 5-10 times and come up with the same conclusion that you can't really improve much from what we got now. Then they will try some marketing gimmic to still try and sell them. But who knows only time will tell. All I know is they will have to give us at least a 2*C improvement from the best radiator on the market currently and be priced within 10 -20% for them to even sell.

i do hope skinnee can give us some more details about performance test ;)

if they add blingy lights inside (maybe a cold cathode to replace one of the middle tubes) they could price them in some absurd category and probably sell pretty good.

well... sell pretty good to people who don't read tests and only go by marketing.

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Originally Posted by rheydt

i do hope skinnee can give us some more details about performance test ;)

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The delay means my testing gets delayed as well... can't run performance tests without a radiator. :)

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Originally Posted by dazmode

FESER ADMIRAL and FESER ADMIRAL MONSTA RADIATORS IN STORE LATE OCTOBER 2010

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http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...&cPath=154_155

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Originally Posted by dazmode

NEW! TFC ADMIRAL and FESER ADMIRAL MONSTA RADIATORS ARE EXPECTED TO LAND DAZMODE STORE LATE NOVEMBER!

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http://www.dazmode.com/

:rofl::ROTF:

I'm expecting the new Feser lineup to turn into the Duke Nukem Forever of liquid cooling...

2020: "Any time now..."

I wonder if recently released radlines performance (like that of TA/RX V2) made win too small, or they noticed heavy shouting in forums about aluminium and those were the reasons to redesign to something they can brag about again?
[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]

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Originally Posted by churchy

[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]

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Had some prototypes come in that took priority.

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Originally Posted by churchy

[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]

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Interested in that too.

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Originally Posted by churchy

I wonder if recently released radlines performance (like that of TA/RX V2) made win too small, or they noticed heavy shouting in forums about aluminium and those were the reasons to redesign to something they can brag about again?
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Originally Posted by seal

I can´t tell you the real situation but..one reason is, that TFC didn´t listen to the guys who developed and manufactured these rads (!) so in august the rads were changed again ( as it was told to TFC in march 2010 ) …the production is running now…with nearly 2 month delay. The internal tests are done and the new rads are doing there job damn good.
The offical test will be done at skinnee lab asap …
My philosophy ´bout information is not agree with TFC’s…but…as developer and producer of these rads I can promise you, that everything is working well to get this “job” done!

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I guess, to someone might be interesting read (interview with rad developers). Main points - aluminium nowhere in touch with water, rads can be easily painted, no nano coating, as there were few problems with it, so they decided to drop such expensive process. I cannot count answer of 'damn good' as quantifyable relative cooling performance, so it still is up to real tests to find out the truth.

1: Aluminium only external and no contact with the water.

2: The wall-thickness of the stainless tube is only 0,2mm, unsure low speed fans will impact.

4: Nano-coating too expensive, complicate and not needed anymore.

It looks like that some of the new hyped features were removed. :rofl::ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Metroid

It looks like that some of the new hyped features were removed

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Everything is justified. Like any other product, Admirals have several revisions of engineering samples. They would had been launched long ago. But, early publication of Admiral specification on hw-lab.com triggered lots of negative feedback. As a result, Feser had to think of a different version of Admirals radiators which required additional test conduction (it was for our own good). Therefore, specifications are changed and product launch is delayed.

Factotum: Negative feedback? As in something about rad dimensions or about materials used? (i'm curious in what exactly was most significant for Feser to decide a redesign). To me it looked (if one ignores Feser as company bashing which made up 3/4ths of negative comments here) rest was made mostly about aluminium part. I wonder if early samples had aluminium inside water tubes aswell ..

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Originally Posted by Factotum

Everything is justified. Like any other product, Admirals have several revisions of engineering samples. They would had been launched long ago. But, early publication of Admiral specification on hw-lab.com triggered lots of negative feedback. As a result, Feser had to think of a different version of Admirals radiators which required additional test conduction (it was for our own good). Therefore, specifications are changed and product launch is delayed.

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Everything you said is the common basic of a product development and this is not the point. The point is that they claimed the nano-coating feature as described on the product's website and is not going to happen. I would have taken your point into consideration if they had not even mentioned and or published the nano coating. They blow this one and this is a fact.

@churchy
Right now, it does not really matters. The important thing is the radiators production has been reconsidered for the better, since the final product should be free from drawbacks.

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Originally Posted by churchy

Factotum: Negative feedback? As in something about rad dimensions or about materials used? (i'm curious in what exactly was most significant for Feser to decide a redesign). To me it looked (if one ignores Feser as company bashing which made up 3/4ths of negative comments here) rest was made mostly about aluminium part. I wonder if early samples had aluminium inside water tubes aswell ..

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I'm going to guess there was alu inside the tubes, but were covered in nano-plating...but they couldn't get nano-plating to work right so they ditched the alu?

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Originally Posted by Feser Dev

Artem (hw-lab.com): Is it true that Admirals show great performance when using low-speed fans?
Tom (developer): well…at this point the tests are running. fact is, that the radiator is reducing the air-speed! Why? Air needs time to absorb the heat of the fins. The air has to be pressed through the fins. That’s why low-speed fans doing a good job. On the other side, high-speed fans create more power in air-pressure m/s.These tests will be done soon. But I think, they will create a good result, too.

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That dev doesn't seem very smart... higher flow rate means better performance if heatdump is controlled.

Interesting. First there were speculation on whether these rad will have alu or copper inside,WTF is than nano-coating for. Now when all of that is scattered and facts are presented, you still continue to guess :confused: