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hahaha, your joking right? what I just told you is fact, don't even bother using it, it will only decrease your loops performance. please don't be an idiot fooled by marketing, what I am saying is proven SCIENCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
Fanboy or not, you have to accept the fact that they have made radiators that perform on par with the TC ones.
Fanboy or not, you have to accept that the Feser One pre-mixed cooling liquid is a good product.
Fanboy or not, don't use heat carrier products, go UV if you're bling-needy or stick to distilled + biocide.
Just wanted to chime in here with my experiences thus far with Feser. First off I want to say I am in no way affiliated with the company and am not a fanboy of them or any other company for that matter. Just about every component in my loop comes from a different manufacturer. I buy what I feel will perform the best and doesn't look like a$$ while doing it. Also, I live in Germany (where Feser is based) so that is definitely an advantage when dealing directly with them. Having said that, this is my story so far:
The first product I bought from them was a double rad. I ordered directly from the website and had some communication via email directly before and after my order. My inquiries were answered very promptly and in a friendly manner. When i received the rad, I found that some extras had been included, namely 2 very nicely built molex LED modules and a pair of compression fittings. I had the rad installed for a couple weeks before noticing it had a very small, slow leak. I contacted Feser and was again met with very prompt, friendly replies. They agreed to cross-ship a replacement to get it to me as soon as possible. I received it the next working day, installed it and it ran fine for a couple months before I re-did my loop and decided to go with a Tripple as I was adding some more blocks. I decided not to order directly from Feser this time as I found the rad for about 20 Euro cheaper from another online shop. It is currently cooling a qx9650, 790i chipset (nb & sb), and 2 gtx280's in SLI and doing a fine job of it. Temps are much better than I expected. I was afraid this would be too much for a single loop. I have it mounted in the top of my Cosmos S running push/pull with 6x Scythe S-Flex SFF21F's. There are only enough screws included to run 3 fans. I wanted to use black screws like the ones that come with the rad but they are pretty hard to find, especially in just the right size and with the right thread. I looked around a little and then decided to email Feser to ask if I could order 12 extra screws. I honestly didn't even expect a reply to this inquiry because for all they new at this point, I hadn't even purchased anything from them and a lack of response is what I have been accustomed to being met with when dealing with most German manufacturers/companies. To my surprise, I received a prompt reply saying that they would be happy to send me some extra screws at no charge and asked for my address. Great I says and gave them my information, expecting to receive an envelope with the requested screws. A couple days later a small box from the single 120 rad arrives. I open it only to find it packed full of all kinds and sizes of mounting screws and bleed screws and 3 more fan gaskets which I hadn't even asked for! A very pleasant surprise to say the least.
Sorry for being so long winded here but I just wanted to share my very positive experiences. I have found TFC to be very professional and friendly in all my dealings with them. The level of quality of the rads and feser one fluid is also top-notch. Sure the first one I had leaked but that can happen with any product, no matter how good the quality. The important thing was that they handled the problem professionally and quickly.
That's my story for what it's worth (probably nothing).
Whats Feser One Coolant like compared to other coolants ?
performs close to water and looks amazing under UV light, thats allQuote:
Originally Posted by cian1500ww
So its pretty good then :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Ah ok, it'll have to do for me then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Yeah it's like within 2 degrees of water, and looks great under UV. As for how it performs stacked up against other coolants, it is definitely not worth $30 a bottle. Distilled will always be the cheapest, yet still effective, coolant. After all, it is called watercooling. As for me, the real question isn't in any performance gain you could possibly get from it, but about who and why you are buying it. It could be amazing and well worth $30, but can it seriously compensate Feser? I think not. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Actually distilled water is dearer for me to buy :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by BreeSpree
I suppose the difference between coolants is very minimal, heck they're probably all made in the same factory :rofl:
You could probably make the same thing with distilled water and car antifreeze anyway. What you are really paying for is a name, and for it to be shipped from a different country. And the difference will always be minimal. If you read the nanofluid review, that even showed only ~2 degrees headway over water.Quote:
Originally Posted by cian1500ww
its only $19.95 a liter not $30Quote:
Originally Posted by BreeSpree
and if you are making a showcase build then I see it as a must have. the only water-dye combo I have ever gotten to work is green. It works great but it sure aint blue or orange lol
I was trying to predict the total cost, water is actually pretty heavy to ship. Like $7-10. Well you could use HydrX for a UV green, which I also find easiest. There are always other options though, such as pentosin. There are also other types of bottled coolants that should work in a showcase build, such as D-Tek Tonic, for example, FluidXP+...ew, and Primochill PC-ICE...double ew.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
well thats british engineering over the german engineering, still dont believe some yanks still think TC is american :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
So what exactly do you do to your radiators? Beat them up with some baseball bats?:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
I don't think Feser's radiators are crap quality. For sure, it depends on how you treat them and they might damage more easily, but less material used doesn't necessarily equal crap.
I would like to specify what I meant for those who didn't get the reference:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobly
When it comes to water cooling liquid, you can't beat plain distilled water with a biocide (PT Nuke for example), however if you want the UV look, water + dye tends to eventually clog up blocks, Feser One pre mixed solution tends to lead to less problems.
Performance + Ease of use = Distilled Water
UV - Feser One ^^
Remember this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavior
- COPPER is SOFTER than BRASS
- TC use BRASS for the end tanks and tubes and COPPER for the fins
- Feser use COPPER for the entire rad
I still prefer TC, they just need a 120.4.
Maybe any new radiator testing should take crash testing into account :rofl:
I remember when the rigidity of race cars was thought to be paramount for driver safety back in the day but these days they go for the more flexible lighter, safer materials.
Lets face it, most computers don't have 200mph crashes so i think we're safe there :ROTF:
People finding these radiators to be flimsy makes me curious, to be sure a thermochill you can about park a truck on without damage but I found quality to be quite good in the fesers and fit/finish first in class. Cooling capability is theoretically almost identical with the feser being slightly smaller, with standard fan spacing, fitting type and pre-threaded holes. I noted a small drop in temps going from TC to feser. Personally I never attempted any abuse test on the fesers but they seemed robust enough to cool a pc for sure and far more robust than a typical heater core.
Really, I want PICS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Just kidding..:)
I'm bolting and hanging my TFC480 with just four screws on the bottom two rad holes:
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/Worklog14.jpg
Sure if you press in the sides of the radiator it might flex, but I haven't been able to see any real world application issues to come of that. When our bridge engineers design a bridge, we put camber into it because the weight of the bridge will cause it to flex downward. Does that make the bridge a bad design?
Materials yield and that's fine as long as it's not beyond the permanent deformation yield point. If I can hang a TFC480 from four screws only, it sure as heck is strong enough if mounted properly with all 16.
The only durability issues I've really seen with any radiator has nothing to do with the metal construction. The PAINT is however another story and the PA is no better than black primer IMO.
I think I'm going to run my TFC480 and PA120.3 together for cooling my CPU, they are both nice low restriction rads.
AND THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!!:D
@R, what fan spacing did you order your MM case with btw?