Got it back up and running, I dont believe its the board, as it is not a bad overclocker, had my Q9300 at 480fsb for benching
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Got it back up and running, I dont believe its the board, as it is not a bad overclocker, had my Q9300 at 480fsb for benching
This really stange now my load temps are only reading 3.5/15/15/12 and getting lower, into single figures now my reseat cant be that good. now 6.5/4/4/2 this was OCCT
realtemp sais its 42/41/43/40
Pretty sure it is seated right, as for paste using Akasa 450 silver stuff, just put a rice grain in middle of cpu and bolted down.
Here's my last SuperPi 1M run last night before I switched gears and started working on Prime Blend stability. This is my best 1M score yet. I still can't get over this P5Q3 Deluxe running my Mushkin 2x2GB D9GTS 16Mhz under DDR3-1600Mhz (1584Mhz) @ 6-6-6-18-2T-Trfc 60 @ 1.94v. Not sure if this is pretty common but def. wasn't possible for me on my other Board and I can't say I see these timings at these speeds frequently.
I was able to run prime for 5 hours so I stopped it, rebooted, went into bios and dropped vCore, Gtl's, Vnb, vTT vDimm each one notch and started prime blend again.
Just woke up this morning and everything was still running great Prime95 Blend 8 hours stable. I can achieve Prime stability at higher FSB but I was looking for a nice speed while keeping temps under 60C on air.
Nice,:cool: I am still running Prime right now as well at 4320, I will post up the results later today.
good to see everyone is getting nice results.
banny...what is the vid of your cpu ??
We just had a major power blackout here and I just lost over three hours of Prime.:mad: I am starting over again and should have something good by this afternoon as 1.375v seems to hold 4320mhz no problem with Prime95.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=513880
Valid:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3721/4882validjo1.jpg
PiFast:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4198/pfst1955ki7.jpg
WPrime 32M:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6892/wprm8672ug7.jpg
WPrime1024:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8771/wprm292328gk3.jpg
Why did you post a ss of an E8600? :confused:
That last screenshot isn't for a q9650, or any other quad core. WTF?
Let's see the quad core at that speed! Godspeed!
"TheGanG" what vCore are you setting in BIOS? CPUZ 1.76v is really high, are those subzero runs?
Good to know. The reason I ask is because I was running -5C ambient last night 4500Mhz @ 1.44v. I wanted to gauge how much more I have to up the vCore to get 4800Mhz - 5000Mhz. I hope I don't need that much but we will see. I see alot of people using LLC but I do not use it and my droop is practically nothing with it off. 1.440v set in Bios 1.432v CPUZ Next everything is going in my A/C Chiller -30C:)
These settings are the max I have run at my highest achieved FSB
4500Mhz @ 1.44v
vTT 1.40v
GTL 0.68/0.69v
PLL 1.58v
vDimm 2.00v
Performance Level 7
Clock Twister Stronger
DDR3-1584 - 6-6-6-18-2T-60
What was your ambient/surface temps at that run?
Maybe this will help, for 4.8-4.9 I use about 1.48 volts on air, S1283.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...apImage4-1.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...tmapImage4.jpg
Yeah good job friend, i haven't a good chip so it wants fire.
Another reason is DFi LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS (with rev. A2 chipset), big headache with Quads :)
"Hoss331" can we see some Memset shots with that run. What divider, speed, timings, voltage, PL? Thanks.
I dont remember the exact settings for those runs but here is a quick one for you. Nothing fancy.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...mapImage2v.jpg
Here is some Prime95 small and 32meg Pi at 4320mhz 1.375v bios, 1.58v PLL, 1.48v FSB T, 1.48v NB, 1.20v SB, 680 on both GTL. 3DM06 run was done at 1.45v cpu.
damn,4.5 to 4.8ghz is happening so much now with these 9650's.its almost like were looking at ss of the E8400/E8500/E8600 OCing thread.great work there guys! keep it up.
Heres my 3DMARK06 score. I'm not much of a 3D bencher, don't know why my CPU score is so low and not sure how my GTX 285 i scoring slower than your GTX 280. I also ran 3DMARK05 and a 32M run.
Not all benchmarks are about the tightest timings or highest clocks. Sometimes you need to find the best balance... also everest bandwith results don't necessarily reflect best performance : eg on my EP45T for Superpi 1mb it runs faster with PL 9 then 8... also C8 on my board is borked as C9 is faster at the same FSB/ram speeds... while the everest bandwith tests tell otherwise...
Well I am on XP SP3 not Vista and my GTX 280 clock for that 3DM06 run was 795/1280/1660 on its own water loop.
Finding the minimum voltage for stock speeds...
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...w01/3hours.jpg
That's 1.008v on cpu and 39C degrees max:D done more than 3 hours stable so far...
I realized you were on XP after my reply. I will do some more testing this week to see if different timings, PL, speeds give better results than others in 3DMARK06.
Nice clocks on the GTX 280 by the way. Highest I got on my GTX 285 is 770/1370 core @ 7C idle.
Thanks Deachus. I thought you would like that new chip, looks like you are right near me in clock speed. XP is usually good for about 500-1200 more points on average then Vista though recently I have seen exceptions where it was much less. PL can be a major influence on the CPU score in 06, that score I posted was at PL10 and if I had ran it at 7 my CPU score would have been right around 7600 at that speed. Your score is very good and will only get better I am sure. My GTX280 so far can do 816/1300/1674 with zero bleeding but I have some serious cooling which certainly helps big time.
Testing Prime Small on my first ever Q9650 at 4100Mhz, 1.264V.
Looking good so far.
http://www.abload.de/img/q9650_4100_1264_small5is6.png
Nice oc Jupiler, those four cores are rivaling your dualcore oc.
Thx.
I still have that E8200 running in a rig at 4100, 1.248V for 1 year now (bought it 02/22/08).
I swapped my P5Q Deluxe for the DK P45 Plus (for some reason, I love DFI boards), although I must say that this one was a little picky at the beginning.
Couldn't bot above 455FSB with my Quad, resulting in continuous reboots.
Removing my memory and booting with 1 stick, at 460/465/470/475/480 resolved it.
Placed the second stick back in and it worked again. Weird board, but typical DFI I guess. :D
I love DFI boards as well though they certainly are more moody then others but yield great results with patience. Nice chip Jupiler, I am currently running a P5Q Deluxe with this 9650 which is doing good but I just might jump over to DFI again.
Hello .
I bought a Q9650 to know if i was able to overclock it at 4300 mhz with only 1.4 volt .
But i must say what i was very disappointed . First of all , i needed 1.36 volt :eek: to be stable at 4050 mhz and it was impossible to exceed 480 mhz with the FSB and even less be stable at such high fsb !
So my question is : where do you find your fabulous q9650 ?? :confused:
Do you buy 10 processors to find a good one ? :rolleyes:
Here is my Q9650 Batch # L836B361 w/ VID of 1.2250
As you can see I just bought this as an upgrade. I had an E6400 before. System specs are as follows:
Asus P5B Deluxe WiFi
G.Skill 2x2GB Pi Black DDR2 800 F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B
Zalman CNPS9700
Antec P180
Corsair 520HX
This board has a horrible vdroop. vCore is set to 1.450 in the Bios, reads 1.400 at idle and 1.320 under full load using IntelBurnTest. Overall, I think this is a decent overclock considering its on a P965 board. What do you guys think?
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5566/11hprime.png
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/11h...ng/1/w1473.png
I bought my Q9650 from NewEgg two weeks ago. I own both the P5E3 Premium (x48) and P5Q3 Deluxe (P45) and my chip does 4Ghz p95 blend stable at very low volts on both boards (1.29v-1.31v) and the highest I have hit is 495FSB so far. I did not buy 10, only 1.
Mine
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5050/sadsad.jpg
Its under testing!
Finished playing with mine and its up for grabs....VID is 1.225v ;)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...504_3ghz-1.jpg
Does any one having the following batch L825B425 DATE 9/17/08 899134 SLB8W
i just need to compare before i buy it. tks
Here's mine:
SLB8W
L844B781
VID: 1.235v
My L844B781 runs 4Ghz+ low volts and clocks so far up to 495FSB, still haven't hit a wall yet. I would say go for the L844B781 which is pretty close to mine. I have read that A chips are not as good as the B ones. Just my 2 cents.
I've got a problem that I just can't solve and I've spent MANY (far too many) hours trying to fix.
When I got my Q9650 I got it fully prime stable at 470*9 without any difficulty. It passed over 12 hours of priming and I was happy with it. I also managed to get it to pass the 12 hours of OCCT at 475*9. A few weeks ago I had a problem whilst video editing and I was convinced it was due to an upgrade I'd just done, so I made a bunch of complaints. Boy did I feel like a fool when I fired up prime95 and one of my cores failed within a few minutes. Turns out the stability (or rather, the lack of) was causing the problem.
Since then i've been trying to get it stable again at 470*9. I'm using a p5q-e mobo and I've tried a whole variety of BIOS's, included Ket's modded ones. I've played with every settings in the bios and I can not for the life of me get this rig stable again at 470*9. I did manage to get it stable at 467*9 for an 8 hour prime95 run, but anything more and it konks out on me. This is where it gets more interesting. It always, always, always fails on core 2 (assuming you assign them core 0/1/2/3). I've tried every VTT value from 1.3v to 1.46v and tried a range of GTL ref's for each value. None of them seem to get me stable. SmallFFT will always fail within 10 minutes. I don't understand what is going on.
What should I try next? What have I missed? Could my chip be dying? Could I simply have hit the exact correct settings by fluke when I first got the chip? For reference I've been using CPU voltage of 1.425 with LLC enabled. This gives a load voltage of about 1.43v which some might see as high, but I personally think it's fine. I've tried NB values from 1.3v up to 1.5v but that doesn't seem to help.
Why does core 2 always fail? What should I tweak to get this core back in line and playing happily? The chip isn't a duffer as it's stable enough to load windows and be used at 500*9 without any more vcore. I just can't get this one core to play ball. I've also tried the CPU clock skew and the NB clock skew, going through the possible options up to 200 (ie. 0/0,100/0,200/0, 0/100,1/200, 100/100, 200/200 etc), but nothing is helping. I think this chip can give more but stability is killing me at this point. I'm literally spending every waking minute rebooting, changing one value, and then rebooting to run prime95. Please help me to find some stability both for my PC and for myself!
ps. I've even thought about buying another Q9650! That's how frustrated I've become! ;)
That might be the max stable for that chip with the 9x multi. Mine acts similar to that but at the mid 480s with the 9x multi. It will go higher FSB with the 8.5x but I see no point in running these chips with the 8.5x. I have a P5Q dlx and the UD3P and it doesnt matter what board its on, how much voltage I give it, or what settings I adjust it will not pass small fft prime. It always fails within the first 4 runs on small fft prime at the mid 480s but will pass OCCT in to the mid 490s with the 9x. Im guessing OCCT is just not as stressful as prime. :shrug: The chip doesnt need much voltage to run what it does so I was kinda pissed at first when I got to this wall. Ive pretty much given up for anything higher thats prime stable unless someone has some suggestions.
Reseating heatsink and reapplying the thermal paste may help. I had a similar situation with a Q6600 back in the days and turned out there was a bubble amid the MX-2. No, you can't find it by simply checking core temps; you have to open it up and check physically. Due to the MX-2's watery nature I changed back to my good'ol thicky Ceramique. Since then I no longer suffered the clock degradation again.
4.410GHZ vcore 1.376v L844B809 VID: 1.250
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=517196
ned help whit GLT to the cpu
Late to the game here
Just pick'd up a Q9650 FPO L828A446
4.2GHz was a walk in the park, but my concern is the temps.
3 cores are nice and cool 29c-31c but the 1 core is a staggering 40c, this is water cooled and yes I have checked the mount and reseated twice.
Anyone else have this issue or am I the lucky winner today?
I'm in no hurry to lap the the chip for I might sell it if I cant do 500x9
I have the same thing on my 9650. One of my sensors is always a LOT higher than the rest. I attribute it to sensor error. I have a hard time believing that one core on the same die could be 10c higher than the rest. I just ignore it.
These chips have a lotta messed up sensors, many reporting stuck sensors and stuph. As long as mine dont shut down on me due to heat; Im not really concerned too much. My sensors are great at idle, but as the temps go up one of them is about 8-10 degrees higher than the rest. When I run IntelBurnTest it gets kinda alarming (low quality air-cooling here). But; if i never even looked at my temps and I relied on the cpu-overtemp-protection I bet I could use this chip for years, and NEVER have a problem.
Just my 2-cents.
ASUS P5Q Deluxe Bios 1805 Q9650 L844B809 VID: 1.250
volt set to the fsb
watercooling
4.4GHZ 1.36v
4.5GHZ 1.52v xtream high or :confused:
4.6GHZ 1.56v
Thanks for the reply,
I was a tad alarmed, my Q9550 is always cool and idle/load temps are very decent.
When I saw core1 on my Q9650 running 10c higher than the other 3 I was rather bummed but now not so much...
No tweaks, first run
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...strunQ9650.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...Q9650_3d06.jpg
As a matter of fact. my core 1 is also the high one. Other 3 are 'normal'.
Folks, don't bother with any core temp readings below 50°C - they are simply not accurate. Quote from this recently released Intel datasheet regarding the thermal sensor issue:
From my own tests, I found it better be corrected to "60°C" to be closer to reality. Anything below 60°C in my experience doesn't make much sense at all.Quote:
The digital thermal sensor (DTS) accuracy is in the order of -5°C +10°C around 90°C ; it deteriorates to ±10°C at 50°C. The DTS temperature reading saturates at some temperature below 50°C. Any DTS reading below 50°C should be considered to indicate only a temperature below 50°C and not a specific temperature. External thermal sensor with “BJT” model is required to read thermal diode temperature.
Also here's an article at Tom's HW that's worth reading. It talks about how to set the Tj Max value accurately for your CPU.
I have found that to be true.
After testing yesterday, the temps seem to even out above 50c or so, core1 is still 10c higher on load but it now dosent bother me so much.
Thanks for the info
Hey Grn i have the same batch :up:, my mate Jor3lBR get it for me and also the UD3P great combo !!! still on my way to my country, such a low vid it's hotter than my other 1,25vid, but in the end he told me that the domino was not doing good contact so will see how it goes on my D-TEK block, also some sensors where stuck at first start all stock but after some burn in days they start moving
Here are some tests he did...
The Chip
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3796/dsc02821.jpg
Firsts stabilty tests on XP64 SP2
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/391/s...10121024k1.jpg
IBT and OCCT tests on XP64 SP2
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8...154375mhzv.png
Some 10h Blend tests with some more VCore on Windows7
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/467...blend10hrs.jpg
And the most awaited one needs more work but a very nice start :D
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5429/...settings8k.jpg
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I wanna thank all members of this thread and others for all the great help always and specially to my friend Jor3lBR for his hard work and patience, thanks
for your pics, screens and all the time you spent on finding a good one and testing it day after day :clap::clap:
You rock mate :up::up:
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andressergio
Gold chip, bro :up: Congrats
Yes you have a sweet chip there for sure, and you have motivated me , I just managed to reduce vcore for 4200, still tweaking but its looking good
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...200_10loop.jpg
Hey Sergio,
I'm glad you're happy :up: I enjoyed buying your system and sending it to Uruguay keeping my promise of making the Q9650@4500Mhz run Prime95.
I told you there is no better combo then the UD3P+Q9650 :up:
Your system was great to tweak, took me those 3 days as you know we talked most of them during the OC's in MSN.
Hopefully it will arrive safe next week so you feel the power of 4500MhzQuad!
Thanks my friend of course i'm happy if have no more fingers to cross :rofl::rofl: my hands and feet are crossed to pass customs this next days
And i forgot to mention that all of this work you done on just 3 days and some couple of hours each...
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Batch# L844B801 SLB8W Pack date 01/29/2009
VID 1.25 (no stuck sensors)
4.05mhz Linked and synced with 8GB's of DDR3. This was very difficult to achieve with my S2E, she's a real beeatch with 8GB's of RAM. Have posted and booted in Vista as high as 4.14mhz linked and synced but not prime95 blend stable. Working on lowest possible cpu volts with LLC disabled now. looks like she needs at least 1.42 underload to hold 4.05mhz.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1235937762
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/1453706.jpg
on a UD3R :up:
On the S2E's it over volts to hell, it has also been linked to instability with BSOD's at idle and what not. I have not had any issues but I wanted to have stable settings both ways.
LLC enabled cpu v1.33 in BIOS
LLC disabled cpu v1.63 in BIOS
I think I have a crazy board.
Nice work there man... GReat chip and nice of Jor3 to help you out and mail it there.
I'm now wanting a better board after seing you people's results. but I've yet to try and OC my chip with my new Water loop. I'll be doing that tonight, or tomorrow.
:)
There's some new batches for the Q9650: L845B527...
I can't find informations on it.
Hope that these new Q9650 will have some better OC than the last Q6600s...
L844xxxx seems to be nice BTW
:D
L825B425
Clocks very good but needs high(est) voltage (around here) :cool:
how high are u talking?
Look at mine L844B801, 1.36 BIOS = 1.44 1.42 idle everest and cpu-z.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1236033993
Wow, that's pretty high voltage for 4Ghz. Do you have LLC enabled on that shot? The reason I ask is because I am running 480FSB, 4230Mhz p95 stable with 1.33v set in bios and CPUZ reads very close to that with LLC set to Auto. I have yet to gain anything with LLC enabled on both my P5E3 Premium or P5Q3 Deluxe. Most of the time when I enable it my system won't post. Better stability with it set to Auto, that's just my experience.
Here's the specs on my Q9650:
SLB8W
L844B781
VID: 1.235v
On the Asus Striker II Extreme Anand article has this to say about LLC. LLC has caused some 790i people to BSOD/reboot at idle.
"Loadline Calibration - [Enabled, Disabled] Setting Enabled will effectively remove any negative feedback in the CPU supply voltage regulation circuit. This means that there will be little to no difference between the CPU supply voltage at idle and full-load. This does not mean however that there will be no offset seen between the idle voltage and the CPU Voltage VID as selected in BIOS. Disabled follows the Intel specification and allows the CPU supply voltage to droop under load as properly designed. We recommend you leave this Disabled and increase CPU Voltage as needed to satisfy the minimum operating voltage needed under load.
"
LLC is disabled in that shot. BIOS is set to 1.36. My board either overvolts like mad or the board is misreporting the voltage. I'm sorta leaning towards misreporting because when I look at the voltage monitor in the bios itself, it takes 3 or 4 setting changes to get it to move. What I do know is if I lower my vcore one notch I'll BSOD Intel Burn test and error our Prime95 blend.
Hmm, I thought for sure with the vcore in CPUZ shot that you had LLC enabled. Have you tried reading vcore with a DMM? If I am ever unsure of what is reporting correctly I take a reading with my trusty DMM during LinX or P95 full load testing. Seems to me it's your MB, you should not need that much vcore for 4Ghz stability. Have you tried tweaking GTLS and Skews? I was able to lower my vcore from 1.35v to 1.33v p95 stable @ 4230Mhz just by tweaking my GTL's and CPU/NB skews.
wow.. 1.36 in BIOS at 1.44 in CPU-Z. I'm completely the opposite to that.
I'm currently running 4.0 Ghz with 1.35v in BIOS, and 1.320v in CPU-Z, and then 1.312v Load.
thats way off. How weird.
Mine is a L822B363 with a VID of 1.2500 and like I said above, 4.0 Ghz with 1.312v but thats on my 750i. so another board it could probably do better.
Runnin mine at 1.45vcore just to see if its stable at 475fsb on my miif board :(
Looks like I had some room for improvement. Didn't want to overload my tiny rad so I only ran 3 passes.
That's Bios 1.325 LLC enabled. Idle for screen shot.
It's only been priming for 30 minutes, I need a new cooler.
I can boot into memtest (usb) @4.8 ghz. Test #5 will pass twice, then the computer re-boots @multiplyer6. That means it exceeded 100C :shocked:
That is with VCore @ 1.5 volts. But; the chip is still going strong. I'll wait for better cooling to try it again. Big Typhoon was good a couple of years ago; but today it just dont cut it. :down:
http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/v...er/Capture.jpg
My Vcore has to be 1.35 to pass IntelBurnTest @4.0ghz But; it will pass Prime95 blend much lower.
I have a L845B527 got it last week I did have a quick play and it ran 4.05Ghz (450 x 9) prime small fft stable for about 30 mins at 1.26V, although I tried it on a M2F which I don't like might get a UD3P to test it out next week when I'm back home... VID of the chip I have is 1.1875...
EDIT: forgot to mention it did have a few stuck temp sensors which don't like temps below 40 degrees but at higher temps they were all within 2 degrees of each other...
I just got this one yesterday from Newegg.
Batch#: L836B361
VID: 1.2125v
I think it has a lot more left in it but my board can't go any higher. It only needs 1.26v to run stable at 4ghz but anything over 450mhz fsb and I have to poor on the voltage to VTT and Vcore for stability.
Actual voltage under load is only 1.31v for 4.1ghz.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/572...0305090330.png
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/656...305093126f.png
L845 and it's VID is 1.18.. wow.. thats a great chip.
I heard that the L845's have stuck sensors in most of them, and that the newer chips didn't have sensor problems, but the recent 44's and 45's do.
A guy on ebay has Q9650's for $289.99 free shipping. but they are all L842, or L844's. and I'm trying to decide if I want to snag a second one.. but Il ike my L826 that I have.
Can you guys post what batch #'s you have, what the VID's are and your clocks? I'm trying to decide what to do. maybe we need to start a official Batch # / VID thread for the Q9650's.
:banana::banana::banana::banana: ?
have sold my Q9650 and barter over with a QX9770 a good one, but when I throw Q9650 into his motherboard, it can run 4GHZ prim at only 1.1285v whit a ASUS Rampage Extreme
so now I have even ordered a ASUS Rampage Extreme, instead of my ASUS P5Q Deluxe.
Think that there is so much different on a motherboard.
I am not unhappy with my trading,Butt ??
I had had such a motherboard from strart, it was probably not have been sold, thinking of how far I could be reached with this motherboard
I dunno about your trade mate and how Asus run on these Quads but I guess they all do better on UD3P's and Ep45-Extreme.
Those are a hell of a lot volts for that FSB for only cpu-z runs (no stress IBT or Prime95).
Probably a bad chip or bad mobo or both so I couldn't say much you should talk to Sergio and Radaja, both traded Asus for Gigabyte and they are very pleased.
Bios 1902 ?
Link plz :)
I've been reading this thread over the last few days after picking up a new Q9650. L843B805. I'm running it on a EVGA 780i A1 which comes to my surprise it isn't one of the better boards. Well it's what I have to work with so I will throw out a few things to see if I can get a few tips.
I've done my best over on their forums but they seem to be a bit less active than this thread. And you guys seem to have a handle on this better than most.
Right now my rig is running at 4000.5 445X9 and my Vcore is set to 1.40 bios which reads 1.376 in CPU-Z.
I've been hesitant to go above that vcore setting without really understanding the temps and what I should be looking for. So far this thread has vcore settings anywhere from 1.27 all the way up to 1.5 and so on.
She boots fine and I have yet to have it crash on anything other that Prime95 with the Small FTT test.
Under idle it runs low 30C and under Blend it will run mid 40-50Cs Under Small it will go up to around 60C.
I'm also running an older Zalman 9700 LED which I've read isn't cutting it at these speeds anymore.
So question is it worth getting it Small FTT stable and if so am I okay to keep going up in vcore? What Temps should I watch out for...
Any advice would be appreciated.