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ehh, we've known for a while now what the 4850 will look, and the 4870 should look a lot like the 2900xt (more so than the 3870 anyways). At this point, we need benchmarks, not images imo
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Originally Posted by AliG
Sexy (or fierce) women > benches
One you can do for life, the other is a one time opportunity.
look all I'm saying is that we still have nothing legit to base our thoughts on, and that's starting to bother me especially since launch is roughly 2 weeks away now. And quite frankly I'd like to try to keep this thread on topic as much as I can, I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to keep a legit discussion on the 4k series cards
Because nothing wants to leak out. We've seen scores but without specs it's really hard to justify any of them.
As I said earlier, this is getting ridiculous, like ATI had a gag order on all the OEMs.
Typical AMD BS. I swear, they're totally anal when it comes to any type of real benchmarks or final numbers for a product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
VR-Zone tested the RV770 PRO (4850) and OC'd it to 700 MHz:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_H...sted/5829.html
Receieved a Vantage score of P6466
Any idea what other cards score for Performance? I saw 4850 scores P4085 at http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ance/page9.asp
But that's on a 3.2 Quad
If VR-Zone could only post the CPU results as well, we could make a comparison. I don't know why they didn't include it.
It's not even clear whether there are indeed 480 SPs in RV770.
I think AF was enabled in the benchmarks, no?
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-4.png
A preview of IQ at least
^^
I don't think so, AA was off and so was AAA.
True
I doubt AF was on for the test because Performance mode in 3dmark Vantage is trilinear - it does beat the 3850 by ~50% pretty much by that score though it seems
If Vantage sets Trilinear, wouldn't CCC's AF override it?
CCC always did that for me when I had an 2900XT. I didn't test with Vantage or 06, but for games it does that.
If the benches were done with AF enabled, it would have been specified.
Thing I still wonder is if there's difference in shader and gpu clock this time around, too many rumors suggest either one
Oh man WTH is VR-Zone and all those noob reviewers doing. All application controlled please...
no more HQ AF?..... FAIL. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
AF was always weaker in ATI GCs than nVidia's, although this one seems pretty good to me, so no "HQ Marketing" AF needed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
maybe, but i would still like to have the option to turn it on. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
btw just looked at orb, a phenom 9850 with 8800GTS (G92) scores ~P5400
Ever since the 2900, all AF is HQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
No LQ setting, that is.
And no, nVidia only exceeded ATI in AF after the 8 series. One thing a lot of people bought X1900s were the AF quality (same on 2k and 3k, but nV has angle independent filtering now)
I experienced better AF with a 7600GT than a X1950Pro :yepp:
Then:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
1. Not properly configured.
2. Bad eyes :D
AF quality: NV 7 series < ATI x1XXX < NV 8 series
That probably shows how placebo this thing is anyway. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
How do you know that the default AF isn't HQ AF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
so going by those scores looks like the card will be 50-60% faster than the HD3850 however the 4850 is overclocked and the CPU is unknown. but looks to be around the predicted performance. now we only need to wait for some full reviews to show up:DQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Its starting to get intersting :)
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Originally Posted by zerazax
:confused: Now I´m confused. That sound very intersting thou. Looks like the new Nvidia is going to be a real powerhouse too. I still gonna stick to ATI. I´ll probobly end up buying two 3870:s when the price drops. But it would be really sweet with two 4850..
Both properly configured at 16x (HQ in ATI) and Max Quality Textures, and I really liked nV's anisotropic filtering better.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
It couldn't have been bad eyes cuz I wear glasses, while wearing them my vision is perfect :D
1GHz DDR3 for the 4850 is better than i thought. 625MHz Stock core clocks are a bit low, but to be expected with the single slotted cooler.
That does mean enormous headroom for overclocking though :). I am definitely going to pick one of these up for some vmodding fun. 60% OC makes for a clean 1GHz :D
AF is a matter of preference, but technically what I said is correct. Your 7900 just didn't have better AF than your 1950pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Wear glasses = corrected (but bad) eyes :D
It was not a 7900, it was a 7600GT rev B2, 80nm :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Anyway that's quite offtopic and is of course a personal opinion :)
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Radeon HD 4850 (RV770PRO) Tested
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http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770_1.JPG
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770_2.JPG
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-1.png
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-2.png
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-4.png
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-5.png
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...03/RV770-6.png
We have spotted a RV770PRO demo system over at Computex and we have checked out the settings of the beta Catalyst drivers for RV770 series. The card can be easily overclocked to 700MHz core and as a result, the score for 3DMark Vantage is P6466.
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Rade...sted/5829.html
how much do the 3850 and the 3870 ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
According to Fud:
A Radeon HD 4850 card on a Phenom 9850 system clocked at 2.5GHz can score slightly over 5000 in 3Dmark Vantage.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7674&Itemid=1
18k in Athlon x2!?
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-50...benchmark.html
:clap:holly smokes!... keep it rolling, and I might go shopping with my vacation money!
:up:
I don't think this is genuine score...Check the figures of the subset scores and the final score..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectrobozo
allready posted... just one page up....Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
mascaras is the repost guy, you already know him, right? :D
From B3D:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...16#post1169916
Anyway, I got some updates.
The X4100 number for the GTX 280 was correct with the drivers at the time. Seems that NV was able to push it to X4800 with the latest drivers. They might add some more points when they enable PhysX on their GPU, but that kinda goes against Futuremark rules... since a PPU can assist for a higher score and not a GPU... this could add up to 1000 points in the CPU test... so we'll have to see what Futuremark decides about including the PhysX into the score....
But here's what you all wanted to hear.... According to the same source R700 scores about X5500> in Vantage.
Oh and my buddies at VR-Zone tested a HD4850 OC 700Mhz. P64xx score in Vantage.
meh still, R700 is cf on board which is a nogo for me.
meh back at ya, you have no idea whether or not it will have microstuttering issues etc yet because the bridge was completely redesigned to make the 2 gpus act as 1 rather than just 2 linked through xfire
if the initial results come out and its still just regular ol' xfire on a single pcb, then you can say the gtx 260/280 is more worth the money
Idiotic question. What is the difference between the different prefixes in front of the vantage scores, such as P and X?
p = performance benchQuote:
Originally Posted by 003
x = xtreme bench
"At the Computex you can see gigabyte-packages from HD 4850, GTX 260, 280 and - this is surprised - HD 3950. It is not sure, if this card is an official AMD-product or only a Gigabyte-product"
source;http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13600
Did AMD rename HD 4850 to HD 3950 and HD 4870 to HD 4850? and has some unknown super card to take the 4870 name?
As said, it relates to different presets. In Vantage you have different settings levels, with Xtreme being the most demanding on your hardware. Thus you can only directly compare scores from one preset with others also from that preset.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
well the 4870's code name is TrojanQuote:
Originally Posted by Monkeywoman
1 just a cool name
2 a deception or surprise
3 it's not a video card, but allows safe sex over the net
i chose option 3, but thats just me...
could give a whole new meaning to the term booth babes!:D
AF on HD2900 cards are slightly better than High Quality AF on X1900 cards. It was slightly optimized over X1900's, but still has that 45-degree angle problem.
We've seen those a million times, and they're fake.
either RV770 has more power than all the specs we have been getting or the numbers have been "modified or falsified" performance should be closer to the 3870x2 not above the 9800gx2. i hope im wrong then i can keep an intel board and have a wicked sweet crossfire for pretty cheap but i think even the ATI boys will take a skeptical look at these numbers. also i would expect the HD4850 numbers to show up first considering they are almost ready to be released and GDDR5 is still pretty green.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Ron7aldo
Those #'s seem to be fake no??
They are. It's the same website that said R600 > G80. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
:ROTF:
proof for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
since RV770 is essentially a RV670 on steroids imho nothing will change with the X2, it will be the same CF on board solution that the old X2 was.
There are better ways to fix that than hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
For example, drivers.
they had plenty of time for that (4 years and counting), they simply dont care about that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
I'm talking about the new bridge between the chips, not just the gpus, that bridge may be able to eliminate/reduce microstuttering if ati has the proper drivers to go with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
In high framerate numbers the stuttering effect diminishes. Most microstuttering examples happen on rigs with odd configs, bad profiles and settings that might have been too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I'm sorry but I don't expect any IQ setting to be "too high" when I go multi-GPU
9800gx2 vs 4870 garafik result fake..
When does the NDA ends for these cards?
17th june
Maybe you could try not being a miser, and grab proper cards instead of something that barely makes out. nVidia's current chips already use a lot of video RAM, 512MB SLi + high res might look good in FRAPS but not be smooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
3870 on the other hand has terrible fillrate and texture power that X2ing it is equally dumb as the minimum frame will be bad. At least it uses video RAM effectively.
And FYI, you think people like [H] really play the game for smoothness? They just run through a same scene using FRAPs, and see if the framerate dips below 30fps. The 3870X2 did that, the 8800GT SLI combo won't, but frame swapping at 1920*1200 will definitely happen either way.
very short scene of rv770 graphics demo (city, robot) ; realtime
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4gamer.net%2Fgames%2F 045%2FG004578%2F20080604037%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=ja&i e=UTF-8
and the vids on rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/120031828/rv770.rar.html
I do own a 8800GT SLI rig and in most games I tested with high settings at 1440*900 and 1680*1050 resolution, there is TERRIBLE micro-stuttering, which gave me perceived FPS's of 30-40 whereas FRAPS was showing 60-70.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
SLI sucks, CF sucks, wanna know why? AFR sucks.
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
I also had a 8800GT SLI rig a few months ago, and Crysis Very High Dx10 Vista x64 gave me micro stuttering, not a very good gaming experience, I admit, so I preferred sticking to single card...
Nice to see lots of people confirming SLI/CF sucks :up:
SLI/CF sucks!!!:p:
http://www.informatique.nl/cgi-bin/i...i?M=I&A=515146
First 4850 appeared in a shop! Only 179Euro. More expensive than HD3870 at this moment now. Only some benches needed:D
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Originally Posted by annihilat0r
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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
All 512MB card users. Ahem. ;)
So what? I was playing @ 1280x960, not many Vram needed to that res, I suppose...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
oh, 179€ is quite cheap
cheapest 9800 gtx is selling for 199€ (as far as i know)
now a big oc headroom is needed...
IMHO the rv7xx gaphics demo looks far more impressive than nvidias...
(high res version needed to see details)
Another one:
http://www.electronicagigant.nl/nl/p...i-hd4850,512mb
156 Euro...:eek:.
now thats sick....
that cards price'll go down in no time, they gotta get rid of the 3870 and 3850 really fast
Too cheap, they're goes anychance of it beating an Ultra
You do know this is about the HD4850 right, not the HD4870:rolleyes:. The HD470X2 is supposed to be the top card, so we've a few cards to go before we can at least comment on performance, not even talking about benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Oh yeah I am just going on what some here have been saying about the HD4850 being faster than top end G80, with those prices I think not..
I didnt read trough most if this because it's 90% time wasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Anyway, we will only know when benches come out. I mean, remember that quad 9800X2 beating the super computer bought 3 years ago in Antwerp? Who would have thought GPU's would become this powerfull that quick.
Besides that, the 8800 Ultra is quite old actually. As I said, we'll have to wait for benchies but it's not like impossible.
Taken from itocp:
The room is still wide open for performance #'sQuote:
4850 Vantage P5847， X2609
On the same platform, a 9800GTX does P5816， X2104
If that's any indicator of AA, AF, and 4870 performance... ATI probably has improved a lot on their weaker points but on pure shader math, lesser stuff is done. This probably suggests a much better balanced chip, if slightly better suited for dual GPU usage.
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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
So far, this whole thread have been about speculations about 4850 and 4870 performance. Personaly I dont think its very interesting with groundless assumptions either.
But I sure think that y2kbos point of view on the pricing is as valid as everyone elses.
Yep, I'm an EX-SLI user! And I'd never go back.. already enough headaches with 2 computers and 5 hard drives, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan_c
He has a point, but well, as I said, we will only know when real valid benchmarks are around.Quote:
Originally Posted by fng77
I mean, when Intel released their C2D stuff it was a lot faster than AMD CPU's while mainstream CPU's weren't priced that high. Nothing is impossible, but the possible is as impossible:p:.
Oh well, only came around to post the links for the prices thus far. Rest is all speculation, Ill just wait for some real numbers:yepp:.
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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I agree. Friends?
i was a SLI user, for a while (my first SLI rig dyed this spring), but I've seen to many down-sides to it vs. single, and I've learned the importance of the setup...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
crossfire, thow, seems to be beter and beter, and I'm taking it into acount for this generation of chips. it all depends on the market offerings, posibilityes and drivers.
An Ultra is about the same as, or slightly slower than a 9800GTX (except at the highest resolutions and IQ settings, where Ultra owns). So by the specifications and the 3dmark Vantage numbers we saw till today, I'd say it'll perform on par with the Ultra.Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Acctually, thinking about it I think thats quite an intersting comparision, I mean 4850 vs 8800 Gtx /ultra. The 8800 ultra has been here for quite a long while now and is still very competetive. If the 4850 beats it could at last retire, I dont think it will but it would be pretty cool if it did.
AMD shows 4800-series tech demo
Faud how a link to showing ati showing a demo of what the 4800 cards can handle. The video quality of the footage is poor but you get a small idea of what this beast is made off.
Ati 4800 series demo
Fuds link
hehe, I beat them to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by azza21
The fud is no match for real hardware trollers
whats funny is that I have a 4870 graphic demo and a gt260 graphic demo on my youtube.
The views for the 260 were over 6,000 within hours (it's not updated from 2,000 on the public video yet tho)
and the 4870 is still at like 30 views :shrug:
it's a shame since the ati demo is more impressive
http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationa...CF0032-big.jpg
Delayed 5 days to 23 June
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37795/135/
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Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Makes sense if true. I never understood why they would launch one card from it's serious on the 18thQuote:
However, it looks like that AMD is using the delay to change its launch strategy. The GDDR5 equipped 4870 will now launch at the same time as the 4850 512MB GDDR3, but it is unclear whether there are enough GDDR5 chips to enable AMD to ship the 4870 in volume right off the bat.
My reaction:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
1. Delayed 5 days to 23 June --> :wth: :zombie:
2. The GDDR5 equipped 4870 will now launch at the same time as the 4850 512MB GDDR3 --> :cheer:
:D :D
:gay:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Proof that R700 is the same as 3870x2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
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Originally Posted by LordEC911
The is no proof about that, but the leaks don't tell about a new ship called R700, they only talk about dual RV770.
A rumour that does not die, is not a rumor :D
actually the R700 is shorter than the r680 (pic in this thread), has a better cooler and a new bridge chip (PCIe 2.0).Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
maybe this chip deals with stuttering issues (i recently had a chance to test a hd3870x2 because a friend of mime) because from my experience the normal 3870 CF has much fewer microstutters which appear less often (every 2-10 mins on my rig) and don'T disturb as much as the 3870X2 stutters which are there more often :shrug:
maybe the X2 really had some sync problems because of the bridge chip, i hope that the 4870X2 deals with the stutters and shuts them out completely, but i don't think that this is going to happen :(
What he meant was theres no proof either way that the card is on-board CF, not whether it was dual or notQuote:
Originally Posted by madcho