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Chew* not a part of our team anymore?:confused: WTF is going on?
Temporary fix till either hwbot fixes the no points button and it applies to all points or I manually edit every single submission for no points.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTP04
As for my choice to go pointless, Points don't = skill. Until there is accurate way to measure skill by points ( chances of that slim to never ) than I personally feel that Points are pointless, so why not roll pointless.
Getting back to the real reason why I OC, because I enjoy it and not letting some points algorithym due to popularity or global value dictate what I bench hardware wise such as intel.....
I might add my financial position has changed drastically ( as if it wasn't bad enough to begin with ) recently so atm i need to focus on whats important right now, atm that means the real world and my family.
Brian, I totally see where you are coming from and support you 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Overclocking should be fun and not about points but at the same time a lot of us have do not had all that experience and those points drive us to push ourselves to do better.
Without all of us contributing points then what is the "point" of having a team in the 1st place? Do you want to drop out of the team and just sit back and push us like a coach? Can you be the coach?
I wouldnt toss all those points and hard work down the drain for the team relies on it. why not just leave them and opt out of points for future submissions from this day forward? whatever your decision we will respect and support you.
The problem is there is so much wrong with the system it's impossible to fix, the only way to truly fix it is to buck the system so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
You have manufacturers seeding binned ES chips, note the fact that i use the word binned becasue ES chips by themselves are not the entire issue.
You also have them doing it with retails as well.
Thats just the CPU side of things, lets not talk about users going to intel to bin through trays of High Leakage ES chip's which are a problem compared to the run of the mill ES, especially when you couple the fact that the high leakage parts can never ever ever be bought in retail due to TDP screening.
We won't even talk about the rest of the hardware tree.
You have endusers buying prebinned chips from other ocer's, where is the skill in that ( especially with sandy ). So now even though it may not be the same team you are still combatting the same exact chip in the same hardware class only multiple times and to be quite frank yes skill is required to get the top score out of sandy but there is also a bare minimum score that is guranteed regardless of skill level.
These are just a couple examples of what is "wrong" with the "game"
One of the bigger problems now is that people are so focussed now on the result acchieved and far less on how the result was acchieved.
Example.
Manufacturer 1 sends a few prebinned chips along with a board.
Users posts and hits a few WR's.
Crowd response is wow, congrats, lucky chip.
What would the response be if you knew the entire story behind the result?
solution. Make hw bot create a new category for ES. make them add a line for the cpu serial for everyone else. if someone make a submission with the same id they will get the result with no points. before you bench you simply write your chip serial down. this is the perfect time for this brian because of the new hw bot ver is almost out. maybe its time to add a few things so we dont have asset members like you dropping out. I always thought ES should have its own category. and the sandybridge thing is totally ridiculous. its out of hand. thats what happens when you cant run cold on a chip. You have everyone doing a bunch of trading with the same lucky cpu's and you have a mess. screw SB. its the cpu that the devil invented. that thing is evil.
if hwbot is going to be the points database then there needs to be stricter enforcement on submissions. and those shared chips should be monitored somehow. like carfax works in the US. when you buy a used car you go to carfax and type in the VIN and you can see if the car was in any accidents who owned it before you etc. etc.
do the same with hardware. does cpuz have a way to show a specific id code for the chip? so we can tell if a chip is being used by more than one user?
Thats not the solution either. Then you have people with money to piss away and or manufacturers binning 20,30,50 even 100 retails.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Not to mention AMD or intel can easily brand ES as retails and have done so in the past, least the way it is now they are trackable.......
The guys with money to burn and just throw away would love for the ES factor to be removed, makes it easier for them to dominate.
End users are sometimes more guilty than the manufacturer. They can put a gun in your had but ultimately the enduser is the one that decides to pull the trigger.
Some people can and will draw a line in the sand and say ok this is a line I won't cross, sadly there are far more that will cross the line and or have no line they would not cross.
well i dont know how you get around that man. If I buy 50 chips and bin all of them and submit my best chip it means nothing. I can buy 100 lottery tickets and all of them are losers. then honest joe blow comes in that bought just one and wins the whole thing. luck of the draw is luck of the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
money is great and all and its the root of all evil but I also believe in the oc gods. if you buy some hardware and rma it in a dishonest way you will get punished later somewhere down the line. condensation or bent pins. usb key got messed when you saved the submission...or maybe you got the thermos confused with your beer and drank ln2. it all comes back.
not quite an accurate analogy, you can't resell a lottery ticket if it sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
You also can't resell a decent lottery ticket for more money than its worth if it's decent.
I also know people paying $600 for guaranteed chips and in fact have been offered money for good chips.
That removes luck from factor, also partial skill after all there is a bare minimum XXXX frequency will give you for a score even if your the worst ocer in the world.
Like I said sometimes what matters most is how you acchieve a result and not the actual result.
i feel bad for the point loss for team.xs
hope you guys still kickin...
rev 4 is around the corner, It won't be much of a loss then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
oh rev4 ... i didn't see that hehehe
Msimax is still going to come up so i will bench with him, I will be helping him out, helping team with stuff, mods etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Think Zeneffect will also be benching with me in near future, see if we can't help him climb the charts some.
I need to take a backseat for awhile though mentally, physically and financially.
thats good news for XS :D
wish u the best brian...
orayt nuff of me spammin this thread lol...
I understand man. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
It's still awesome that you can help us with mods and guidance! :D
Mr. Chew - Ditto what Linux said, we still need you!
Even w/o points you are a huge asset to the team, stay near! :yepp:
Completely support your decision Chew*. Agree with you on many points, particularly where $ is concerned and SB.
Very reassuring to hear you are at heart still with the team helping support and share your knowledge with other members, that means more to the team than any number of points you contribute.
Now who wants to fund my road trip to see LinuxFan so we can take our position back from OC.net forums:D
Chip runs best on air/water I found out... testing on air tonight just to make sure its still going to get up to speed... should be good to go hard 56x. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by slaveondope
Pm'edQuote:
Originally Posted by Linuxfan
On another positive note Chew's bowing out should motivate team members to step up their game and push harder.:up:
How Xtreme are you really:stick::slapass:
No problem chew, the real world is definitely more important than this hobby or the next, so I wish you the best on your time off.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
for sure we will be benching, as long as we are having fun doing it, it doesnt matter what the ranks are :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I hear you chew* I too have taken to making sure the priorities get taken care of, now I am 45lbs down since December 22 and 65 since last July. I hope to get back to it by the fall though as I do enjoy it but I love feeling good and being healthier with all this weight dropped (though more to go).
Good to hear !! :) :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoat Eater
chew* dude, you have gained much deserving respect among a countless amount of "lurkers" around here... :up:
:up: and honestly will prevail Brian... some companies opened another bunch of cans of Whoopasssssssss... it's all just to fake sometimes :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by vasgto
Keep in touch AMD master...:up:
Chew, was good meeting you and watching you bench at CES this year. I was the guy that asked you if you chewed tobacco, thought that might have been where the name came from. :D Wanted to share my perspective in seeing you drop the point rankings.
From someone on "another team", I respect your decision for what makes sense for your situation, but I would vote you keep the boints. For good people like yourself who enjoy the hobby and are known around the enthusiast ranks, everyone knows how your boints were achieved. They are real submissions, real hardware, real work. It's well known that boints are a lot like monopoly money and its not hard to "counterfeit" - its all imaginary, but it makes playing more fun for a lot of people. We all compete on hwbot not because its a perfect platform, but because its the best platform available.
I compete in boints because my friends and people I trust compete in boints. The people gaming the system don't mean anything to me - that is the playing field, and my friends and people I trust are on the same playing field. Those are the people we are really competing with. Maybe in time you can look past the negativity a lot of people get caught up in with hwbot, refocus on what you can control which is your own benching, and remember that this is all just for the hobby and for the fun... I know you can do that without the boints, and thats cool. But the boints do make it more fun. :)
@slaveondope.net: Just to clarify, it is Overclockers.com. We don't have anything to do with oc.net, and I wouldn't want to be confused with them.