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10-08-2005, 12:04 AM
RafikR

Hello all,

SE I test and use your Bios from the beagining and I think that it's great job.
But I have some quastion what can be with all bios after 1.6 revision from that version I don't have realistic temp on CPU only with 1.6 I have good temp IDLE 30-32st stres 45 st. On the all new version I have temp in IDLE 48st and stres 62st that is stupid but this is true.
Please explain me that fakt.
And one more quastion do you can hack revison 1.6 and check it's can be possible to unhide divider 183 and 155??

Thanks
Rafał
10-08-2005, 03:06 AM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by RafikR

Hello all,

SE I test and use your Bios from the beagining and I think that it's great job.
But I have some quastion what can be with all bios after 1.6 revision from that version I don't have realistic temp on CPU only with 1.6 I have good temp IDLE 30-32st stres 45 st. On the all new version I have temp in IDLE 48st and stres 62st that is stupid but this is true.
Please explain me that fakt.
And one more quastion do you can hack revison 1.6 and check it's can be possible to unhide divider 183 and 155??

Thanks
Rafał

Hi Rafał the temperatures actually didnt work in the bios versions pre - 1.7. The temperature readings are accurate in 1.7 + to a few degrees. I would be a little worried about the temp you have.

Check that the heatsink is seated correctly and that your not using to much voltage for your cooling.
10-08-2005, 04:41 AM
Mehran

Nope! I was wrong. Not stable under 2700 :(
And SE, I think there is definatly a problem with your bios temp redings. It shows me I'm runnig from 58 to 75!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Why is that?
10-08-2005, 05:40 AM
stw500

I can certify that 1.C3 Ballistic is as stable and fast as 1.B Ballistic.

The new design has turned out well Sideeffect. Keep up the good work!

There's only one thing that disturbs me...

I'm suffering from warmboot-problems!

If I reset oder turn the computer on -> Booting...

If I say WinXP to restart computer or do it out of Windows with Alt+Ctrl+Del (warmboot) -> My screen stays black, monitor led is blinking, no booting...
Only a reset helps, then computer works again well...

Any ideas?
10-08-2005, 06:17 AM
boygenius

Sound problem on Neo2

Guys has anyone here encountered a problem with the onboard sound of Neo2?

It was working fine on my setup in WinXP. All of a sudden the onboard sound is not working. As per my initial investigation, here's what I got.

1. Speaker is ok. Tried it on another rig.
2. No updates nor new application installed that may cause any software conflicts. My setup has not changed.
3. I'm using SE's 1.A rev2 BIOS. Don't make sense if this is an issue. But just an FYI. The AC97 option in BIOS is always set to AUTO.
4. Device manager in WinXP has no device conflicts. The Realtek AC97 driver seems ok. However, when looking at the Sounds control panel, it says no audio device present.
5. Reinstalled the AC97 driver that came with the mobo. Still no change.
6. I already cleared CMOS. Verified all options are correct. I even set everything to defaults. Still no go.

Anything else, I need to try before trying a clean install of WinXP?

BTW here's my complete rig setup

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice core set oc at 2.2 Ghz(already tried stock speed)
2x512MB OCZ PC3200 Gold Edition @ DDR440 3.2v with OCZ DDR booster
MSI Neo2 Platinum (7025 with SE's 1.A rev2 BIOS)
ATI 9800pro
Logitech X-530 speakers
Enermax 550 watts PSU
TT Bigwater liquid cooling kit.
Active cooling over RAM sticks using a 120mm fan.
WD 200GB SATA-1 HDD

Any feedback will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
10-08-2005, 06:32 AM
stw500

@boygenius

Download the nvidia nforce 6.66 driver package, extract the audio-driver and install them...

much better than the realtek driver...

don't worry, even though it is an nforce 4 driver package it will work perfectly, but it don't have a gart-driver for 3d performance...
10-08-2005, 07:11 AM
boygenius

@stw500,

Thanks, I will certainly try that. However, it still doesn't make sense why all of a sudden the onboard sound quit working after a long time of no hiccups. Just hope it's just an OS/software issue. I don't want to go thru the hassle of RMA again. A day after I bought this board, I sent it back for replacement because of several issues.
10-08-2005, 07:14 AM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehran

Nope! I was wrong. Not stable under 2700 :(
And SE, I think there is definatly a problem with your bios temp redings. It shows me I'm runnig from 58 to 75!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Why is that?

Hmm the second person to mention that. The temperature probe is nothing to do with my modifications. So it must be a temperature bug for some cpus still with the MSI bios.

I think some of you overestimate the extent of my modifications :p: I just change the layout add new logos and enable the dividers and extra memory options. I DONT link temperature sensors or realign cpu multipliers or cripple the HTT :rolleyes:
10-08-2005, 09:20 AM
el rolio

hmm you guys using DDR boosters on this board... what do you do with the ram and heat? active cooling? if so how?
10-08-2005, 09:50 AM
krjalone

Yes, using ddr booster and bh5 combo at 3.3volts. Using 120mm fan to cool ram modules and power suply mosfets.
10-08-2005, 10:02 AM
Nossie

im using ddrbooster @ 3.1v, cooled with a 80*80FAN attached to my IDE and ATX cable with tiewraps :p:
10-08-2005, 10:40 AM
Napoleonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Then use that bios.

In 1.8 I could run at 300 HT x 10 but i couldnt in the newer bios files. They are not based on the same code. The bios files after 1.9 are re written and are actually based on the NEO 4 bios.

This doesnt make them worse though they are just different. I got a similar overclock just a different way. The extra features make it worth it for me. If you prefered the performance in 1.3-1.5 then use that bios.

unfortunately........ :fact: :p: with the older BIOS my rig is not 100% stable @+- 2500Mhz, with this 1B modded it's 100% stable @2500Mhz

this is :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:
I hate this motherboard :mad: ......or maybe I got 2 stupid processor? I dunno, I'm tired with this, maybe next time if I got a completely new rig :p at this time, considered I'm quite a n00b in ocing, I can say 500Mhz above stock with aircooling and only .5 volt increase is enough
10-08-2005, 10:55 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by stw500

I can certify that 1.C3 Ballistic is as stable and fast as 1.B Ballistic.

The new design has turned out well Sideeffect. Keep up the good work!

There's only one thing that disturbs me...

I'm suffering from warmboot-problems!

If I reset oder turn the computer on -> Booting...

If I say WinXP to restart computer or do it out of Windows with Alt+Ctrl+Del (warmboot) -> My screen stays black, monitor led is blinking, no booting...
Only a reset helps, then computer works again well...

Any ideas?

Hell! The same problem that one of my friends had but not with this board.
With an Intel. Changed ram timings, solved the problem.
10-08-2005, 11:00 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Hmm the second person to mention that. The temperature probe is nothing to do with my modifications. So it must be a temperature bug for some cpus still with the MSI bios.

I think some of you overestimate the extent of my modifications :p: I just change the layout add new logos and enable the dividers and extra memory options. I DONT link temperature sensors or realign cpu multipliers or cripple the HTT :rolleyes:

Maybe my CPU doesn't like u. How ever it shows that I'm runnig at 72-75 Full load.
Too bad. Guess thats a bios bug coz I saw that problem even by using the orignal 1.B and 1.9! :(
10-08-2005, 11:20 AM
sinister1st

3 Attachment(s)

Bios 1.b dual SPI X24400 cool 2.7ghtz 11 multi and 10 :cool: now on to bios 1.c. :toast:.

cpu z: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=41377

X2 4400
Xp-90
G skill LE (old version)
PC power & cooling 510 deluxe
10-08-2005, 12:33 PM
VaCreeper

Too Weird

So it's raining like crazy here today and I'm looking for something to do. So I pull two sticks of my OCZ TCCD and figure I'll see what I can do with 1 Gig. :eek:
It won't boot past what was stable for four sticks 235 x 11. As a matter of fact it would not boot into windoze past 225 x 11. I've been :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ing around with this all day. Changing Bios, testing, ect. All I can do now is go back to 4 x 512 :confused:
Could the memory controller on my Sandy be borked?
Not that it's really a big deal as I've been running four sticks almost the whole time I've had this board. Just a puzzelment :stick:

TY :D

Creeper
10-08-2005, 03:38 PM
el rolio

hey thanks for the replies and ideas guys, anyone by chance have pics to show me how it was done?
10-08-2005, 05:46 PM
msimax

on my journey to ddr700

[IMG]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9193/imga02431ll.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8553/imga02440yn.jpg[/IMG]
10-08-2005, 06:42 PM
sideeffect

Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.
10-09-2005, 02:10 AM
Napoleonic

@sideefect

I found that the CPU voltages in your 1B TCCD BIOS can't work higher than 1.45volt, why is that

I can achieve 1.6volt but that can only with 1.45volt + 10%
10-09-2005, 02:19 AM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleonic

@sideefect

I found that the CPU voltages in your 1B TCCD BIOS can't work higher than 1.45volt, why is that

I can achieve 1.6volt but that can only with 1.45volt + 10%

Thats the VID lock of the processor. Same for all bios versions. Venice, san diego cores and winchester have max VID of 1.45. Newcastle have max of 1.55 and some x2's have max of 1.375/1.40 :p:
10-09-2005, 02:36 AM
Napoleonic

but it could be enabled (1.5volt and 1.55)in the older BIOS, so it's only for the new BIOS, isn't it?
10-09-2005, 02:40 AM
Mehran

Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(
10-09-2005, 02:44 AM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleonic

but it could be enabled (1.5volt and 1.55)in the older BIOS, so it's only for the new BIOS, isn't it?

No, anything over 1.45v doesn't work in any of the BIOS's.

The only BIOS that can achieve higher then 1.6v without using corecenter is 1.36b which has a working 18% overvolt setting.
10-09-2005, 02:48 AM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehran

Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(

Depends what your using pc for. I ussually overclock to the point where it never crashes pc in anything i use. If it crashes anything i will underclock because i hate crashes:P

I dont much care about prime stable though.

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