Where did you read that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
I only see a screeny of a 328MHz reference-clock (no info about mem-dividers).
Something that I didn´t see? http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...s/noahnung.gif
Greetz, Flox
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Where did you read that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
I only see a screeny of a 328MHz reference-clock (no info about mem-dividers).
Something that I didn´t see? http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...s/noahnung.gif
Greetz, Flox
Here you are my friend :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flox
Sure...1T at stock. We talked of 300+ settings... :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
Greetz, Flox
Oh. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flox
dnihilist-Does that mean "denialist" or "the nihilist?" It seems like you care about some things, so I'm just wondering.
It seems like this board may not be as bad as I thought. Everybody is getting HTT's of 325 or better, even if they need to lower the multi because of the low vCore issue. With memory performance not causing too much of a drop-off on A64 (relatively speaking), the 1T-2T is not much of an issue for me personally either.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm not trying to break any benchmark records, sit atop the orb's or any of that. I just want a board to let my CPU stretch its legs and run a little and this may not be so bad for me. My ram currently runs 2-3-2-10 1T on an NF3 board @ about 210 with the 150/200 divider-that's the way it is right now anyway. I know that memory bandwidth does matter, but a knowledgable guy in the AT forums -Zebo- posted a huge review of the value of high-end memory and for a guy like me it doesn't make sense for $ reasons.
I'll reserve judgement and sit right on top of the fence, with the reviewers on one side of me and most enthusiasts on the other side. (Mine arrives tomorrow provided UPS doesn't lose it). I'll update then.
Hi superk ...Quote:
Originally Posted by superkdogg
With that attitude I think you'll have some fun with this board. When you get the board maybe we can start a bandwidth comparison thread or something. I run 2gb@2.7v 3-3-28-1t at 236mhz and the bandwidth is quite adequate for what I use it for.
hello, i'm running this mobo with an opteron 165.
actually my proc is running at 290x9 1.4V
the ram is ocz ddr400 gold, running at 3-4-3-8 2t, 11:12
i'm using bios version 0037
like many people i've issues running my ram at 1t... with the same settings, and divider 5:6 i'm prime stable but superpi is unable to run.
changing to 2t i'm stable with divider 11:12...
i've actually tested my cpu and my ram with an Abit fatal1ty mobo and i was able to reach fsb 275 1:1 with 1t...
also... i'm able to post with fsb 300 both windows don't load... i'll try to figure out this problem but i think it's related to the timings... or maybe i've to try enable the overvolt option...
last issues... i'm absolutely unable to install the drivers for the onboard audio ... someone knows some solution for this?
Question: Those of you who have this board and are OC'ing on air or mildish water--
Did anybody actually lose CPU speed (not talking ram for right now) vs. a prior OC on NF3 or NF4 boards?
I am trying to figure out if the bigger problem is the board's actual inability to live up to what the reviewers did with it, or if the problem actually stems from the lies about the vCore and memory timings.
Obviously lying and misrepresenting what the product really is can be a huge issue by itself, but if you throw out the high vCore being AWOL and memory (especially the good stuff) not being as advertised, are the other features alright?
As stated before, timings aren't much of a concern for me, and if I get 1.55 or so vCore I should be easiliy able to go back to 2.7 (hopefully more) which is one of the speeds my CPU has been run @ before.
One more quick question? Would you all use the onboard audio (HD) or a SB Live 5.1 digital pci card?
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Originally Posted by superkdogg
both...nihilist in denial...i'm perpetually confused.
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Originally Posted by stryg
Unless I'm confused again, I didn't think getting 1T at stock (200) was all that wonderful.
**Although the pair of GSkill FF Memory using Samsung TCCD chips runs 1T perfectly fine on this board, it is unstable running 1T with the 2Gb pair of GSkill HZ Memory which uses Samsung UCCC chips. The same pair of Memory runs fine on the other 2 boards with 1T, but needs to be run at 2T with this board for stability.**
I'm running 800HTT at 166 at 1T (235ish?) on an Optie 165.
What I can't do with this board (as with a multitude of other owners) is 1:1 at 1T above 240...
The problem, as someone mentioned before, is not so much the Vcore issue but a weak motherboard design around the chipset.
Well, I tried to run it with a Booster, as I got my new one today. It doesn't seem to work that either. Now I guess I'll just have to do some RMA (since it doesn't do 200MHz CAS2 (but CAS2.5 works just fine) with the two first official BIOS's.
I now have mine and have played with it for exactly one night. My impressions:
1) Running a Winnie, my vCore seems stable @ 1.52 + or - .02. That is the max with 1.45 and vCore enabled for my CPU.
2) I can run either 300x9 or 320x8 and both are somewhat stable, but I have had crashes with each set-still working on figuring out what's going on. I also got a new video card (x800 GTO2) that I'm working on the max OC for and I think that it is causing lockups (at 560/580)
3) As a super enthusiast board, the A8R is a :nono: and Asus deserves a :slapass: big time for misleading people. However, had there not been the kick @$$ reviews and high expectations this board would be considered a sleeper OC board. It does run stable at high HTT (memory support could be a LOT better @ high HTT, but that's been mentioned already) and it's a volt mod away from allowing my Winnie to get to 2.8+. I can post, but can't boot Windows @ 9x311.
4)Overall this board is alright, but the difference between what was reviewed and what shipped to the people is pretty big.
For me, the biggest reason to get this board was because it was an affordable pci-e board. I had been running a K8N Neo2 and a 6600GT and got this board and a x800GTO2 (flashing it tonight) for a little less than $300 AR on vid card. My prior setup is on eBay right now and is gonna draw at least $215 (based on current bids) so even though I stepped down or moved laterally on the mobo department, for about $85 my video card went from 6600GT to x850xt pe+. This mission started out as a graphics upgrade and it's an unmitigated success despite the dissappointment in this motherboard. (GT's and x850 AGP's are still around $300 and the GS's would not perform nearly as well and would have cost double).
* and got HD audio in the deal too.
Asus didn't mislead people, Anandtech's review did and still does :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by superkdogg
Maybe you already knew this or you don't care anymore, but (tests done at stock speeds, reading in the BIOS and in PC Probe):
-If Vcore Over-Voltage is disabled, the system seems to run at 0.05v above whatever I choose. For instance, 1.3v = 1.35v, 1.325v = 1.375v, etc). But voltage readings will be different in PC-Probe than in BIOS and PC-Probe will show constant fluctuation in Vcore.
-If Vcore Over-Voltage is enabled, the system will run at 0.1 above whatever I choose (that has been documented everywhere on the net). But then, voltage readings will be the same in PC-Probe and in BIOS and Vcore seems to be more stable.
You're right, but AT isn't the only review like that, and Asus didn't exactly announce to Wes that he was reviewing a cherry board. I do believe that somebody should fix that f'in review, but imho it's on Asus for sending out a product for review and then making retail something different-classic bait & switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I need some moded bios which allows 1.65v now. Come on guys, let the tweak and mod begins lol !!!!
i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumbaa
but i say just vmod the vcore! :)
i miss the mobo vmodding days (dang you dfi and your high vcore options!!!)
what i want to see is this board run 300+ HTT 1T with no divider
Do many of you that get higher HTT speeds have cold boot issues? I can run 310 MHz stable, but when when I first start the PC, it won't boot, then I turn it off and turn it back on and it 'safe' boots and then I go into the bios and set it to 260 MHz, restart, set it to 290, restart, and set it to 310. If I set it to 310 right away I'll get boot issues. Maybe I am doing something wrong. It is being used with a 144 Opteron, X800XL, 2 GB Memory, 16x DVD Burner, 250 GB HD, and an Enermax EG651AX-VH EPS12V 550W Power Supply.
You're not goofing up. Mine is like that too. Wes mentions it in his review that it doesn't like going for a big number from a cold boot too.Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
BTW, there's a workaround for those of us with only great and not uber video cards as far as getting PCI slots to use (although some have had so much trouble they might be better off blocked). I booted with the card in the blue slot and that switch card in the black. Then I changed the bios setting to "Dual Video Cards" and F10'd. It won't boot because the switch card is in the one slot, so power down, remove switch card. Then put the video card into the black slot and power back on. My main motivation for this was not to get to PCI slots, but to have clearance for my ATI Silencer over the southbridge and SATA ports. That sucker's pretty big. This way I can use the top two sata and can actually reach the clear cmos jumper without taking apart half my rig.
Granted it's now running in only an 8 lane slot, but my 3dm05 only dropped from 5216 to 5190 (with 4xAA and 16xAF) on my GTO2 flashed to XT @ 553/590. I chalk it up to margin of error.
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Originally Posted by shimmishim
This need a chipset vmod, no?
My guess is that would require a magic act :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by dnihilist
Does it help to use a lower multiplier in BIOS (like 310 x 7)and get a higher one in Windows?Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
Any clockgen this mobo, i hate every time boot in bios.
I set mem-dividers A64 tweaker 133 > 150
http://duronbird.oc-papat.com/8M_330...us_A8r_mvp.JPG
mem-dividers 133
http://duronbird.oc-papat.com/8M_338...us_A8r_mvp.JPG
Well after seeing so many issues i decided to buy this board. I also had Wesley Fink revisit the board so we could compare notes.
First thing is this board has real issues 1T 260+. In 2T it clocks like a god and is pretty damn fast.We retested all settings used for the review and no way was he using 1T at 325fsb, the issue was he hit a wall at 260, probably reset the bios and forgot to switch to 1T. Now thru testing i have matched bandwidth in 2T on this asus 2.5-4-3-11 against the eXpert 2.5-4-4-10 1T so I can fully understand Wes missing this fact as the board performs just like its on 1T.
So, 2T seems to be the way, 0037 bios is still the best bios we found but you have to look past 1T vs 2T and go with what you have, for me the board is a keeper and well worth clocking up 300+ to gain some speed.