Swiftech Apogee Discussion ( The Cat is Out of the Bag )

Do you guys think its worth the trouble and money if I return my Apogee to Jab-tech, pay shipping and eat a 15% restock fee and buy the Storm for $70?

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Originally Posted by demenion

Do you guys think its worth the trouble and money if I return my Apogee to Jab-tech, pay shipping and eat a 15% restock fee and buy the Storm for $70?

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depends how much money you have. If you are a starving student, then its not really worth it. If you got the money, i would. Im watchin for a place to put them on sale...

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Originally Posted by orkan

Cathar, please tell me your next block is on the way, and or you will be finding someone else to market/make the storm?

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Will be doing a small run of Storm/G7's in early next year. After that it is highly likely that I won't do any more CPU blocks. Too much crap abounding. Talk about a motivational killer.

wow, i'd like one of those :drool:

just ordered a Storm G4 to replace this Apogee. The QC just blew it for me on this block...

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Will be doing a small run of Storm/G7's in early next year. After that it is highly likely that I won't do any more CPU blocks. Too much crap abounding. Talk about a motivational killer.

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Understood.

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Will be doing a small run of Storm/G7's in early next year. After that it is highly likely that I won't do any more CPU blocks. Too much crap abounding. Talk about a motivational killer.

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Talk about sad, but I will most certainly be saving my pennies to ensure I get a G7.

I took a look at the mockups for the G7, and you'd better be saving more than pennies. The machining costs are going to be through the roof. Cathar, I just hope you wait another year and a half, so I can get out of law school, get a sweet job, and avoid being killed by my wife for buying one of your works of art!

edit: nevermind, i found what i needed.

Stew, what ever became of your gpu cooling endeavors?

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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer

Stew, what ever became of your gpu cooling endeavors?

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I've long wondered this as well.

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Originally Posted by Budwise

They were loose in the block but kinda wedged in there. I took a thin piece of metal and just picked em out of there. I looked at the pins very carefully even though i didnt have a magnifying glass, and it didnt appear than any were missing or damaged. They were not at all big enough to be pins in my judgement.

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Thanks for the feed-back.

Please understand that we took steps to correct an issue as soon as we found out that there was one. What is important to understand, is that we do listen and we do care. Can we falter? for sure. But in the end, what counts is the final tally. How many problems were encountered over a period of time? how were they solved? Are our customers happy overall? Our record in terms of QC speaks for itself. People who say "what has Swiftech come to" should not be alarmed. The employees doing the QC are the same today that they were yesterday. People QC'ing the Storm are the same people QC'ing the Apogee: Lynn, Ann, Rym, Laura. They care. I trust them.

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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer

Stew, what ever became of your gpu cooling endeavors?

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hahah, he asked before i got a chance. i was curious about it too. i was really looking forward to finally having a true performance GPU cooler.

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Originally Posted by moonlightcheese

hahah, he asked before i got a chance. i was curious about it too. i was really looking forward to finally having a true performance GPU cooler.

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Wrong thread in which to continue this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Will be doing a small run of Storm/G7's in early next year. After that it is highly likely that I won't do any more CPU blocks. Too much crap abounding. Talk about a motivational killer.

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PM incomming.

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Ok, now I'm confused.

Why would a manufacturer of both the Storm and the Apogee, with the Storm being the higher priced "premium" product, willingly to go out of their way to disprove that the Storm is the superior product that justifies its price-point?

If Swiftech truly believe that the Apogee is the superior product, and wish to discontinue selling the Storm, then just discontinue it. The market seems to be making up its own mind. If the market is deciding that the Storm justifies itself after all the hype of the Apogee, and subsequent fall as more and more third party results hit the street, then isn't that a good thing in terms of product positioning and placement?

Normally I would have kept this sort of discussion private between myself and Gabe, but Gabe now seems to be willing to go public in both his building up of the Apogee, and tearing down of the Storm, I just don't understand it. The products are naturally falling into place as the market sees fit, and yet the company that is producing both wants to fight this very convenient progression of market-place perception?

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dont know, seriously is not funny, one would think that they would use this to their advantage, each product to its own segment, comon sense says you dont want product a to canibalize product b sales. so for reasons not disclosed, the g4 was canceled, and the new block came, its an easy to manuf block(read money) however it sells for less money, so it cost less to make but also sells for a lot less, are they looking for more sales?if so why not keep the two?the kicker however is that the storm is a proven product, by a lot of people, it has a reputation for god sake, again.....why not keep the two? and make huge profits....

all i know it is an "old style block" with a new face "delrin top" being sold as good as or better than the g4. i dont think so, we know better:nono:

i am always up for a newer "better" block......this one is for me a step in the wrong direction....:slapass:

this is why wc is a niche, and why it will never become "mainstream"

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and why it will never become "mainstream"

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It will... just not in the way we choose to implement it... but it will...

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Originally Posted by Marci

It will... just not in the way we choose to implement it... but it will...

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sadly so...
offtopic:
props on the pa series rads, just upgraded my last pc with one, nowi have 2 pa 160 and one 120.3 good stuff....worth the money....in silence......

watercooling is already going mainstream... mac G5 anyone? vidoe cards with watercooling stock (BFG...)? some of it sucks, some of its good (mac G5 gave us the DDC, no?)

I still dont think that Intel will ever include watercooling in there product lineup or specs.

Untill that happens water wont be truly mainstream..

Although it is very commercial (as this thread rightly illustrates) its still a VERY VERY long way from being mainstream.

I don't believe being mainstream has anything to do with what intel does or does not do.

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Originally Posted by orkan

I don't believe being mainstream has anything to do with what intel does or does not do.

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exactly most are using AMD now anyways. the only hold out is DeLL

Holst, at the rate things are going, Intel will have to spec the cpus for watercoling, or invent some sort of crazy air cooling solution the likes of which even thermaltake wouldnt dare go.

I don't see how watercooling will ever become mainstream. The industry seems to be moving towards smaller dies with less wattage. There will just never be a need to get rid of so much heat in mainstream computers.

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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer

Holst, at the rate things are going, Intel will have to spec the cpus for watercoling, or invent some sort of crazy air cooling solution the likes of which even thermaltake wouldnt dare go.

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doubtful at best, with intel's new push on performance per watt.
watercooling in the mainstream is highly unlikely; aircooling is just so much less hassle and thought.