New Vapochill LS...Mach 2 clone

I kinda guess he isnt allowed to tell us (NDA) because otherwise im pretty sure he would have let slip already.
Im not too keen on the fact that he says he cant afford it and he's considering buying an LS so i guess its going to me quite a bit more expensive than the LS :eek:
Im not sure i will go for the new unit by Nventiv if it costs so much, i can justify to myself the gains you can get from the temps of an LS, but once you go past that it seems to me that you are going to get diminished gains for your money, and i cant justify that to myself (or my poor wallet)
I think they will be presenting it at Cebit, it makes marketing sense, so we will just have to wait until then :(
For the extra cost it sounds like it going to be a killer unit, but i think it will be out of my price range. But tbh i'd be very happy with the temps of an LS :)

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Originally posted by Master_G
I kinda guess he isnt allowed to tell us (NDA) because otherwise im pretty sure he would have let slip already.

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Or he's just guessing what it's going to be and really has no idea.

Haven't you learned yet, hysteria breads on the internet to a feverish pitch before anybody has any idea what comes next. It's way better to sit there and guess what something will be as opposed to just waiting and seeing. ;)

(no offense original poster, this was not directed at you personally... or anyone else for that matter ;))

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Originally posted by Jeff
Or he's just guessing what it's going to be and really has no idea.

Haven't you learned yet, hysteria breads on the internet to a feverish pitch before anybody has any idea what comes next. It's way better to sit there and guess what something will be as opposed to just waiting and seeing. ;)

(no offense original poster, this was not directed at you personally... or anyone else for that matter ;))

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well if they release a CPU and GPU cooling unit with dual evaps then yeah...thats gonna be pricey...dunno how long till we see such cooling units though...could be never could be really soon...

if yes then it better be cheap cos were gonna be selling our arms to get one... :eek: :p:

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Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
I agree. Whatsmore Bowman goes to great lengths to ensure that his load simulations represent actual conditions. I would consider his results to be meticulously honest, accurate, and impartial.

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Exactly!! Bowman told me I didn't have a very good M2 ... I didn't want to here that, but, it was simply the truth and he told me so! He mod'd it, tweaked it and I got the best M2 that could come from that original ( so so ) unit :)

I know that his review will be just as Gary says and I look forward to learning the truth from it. :toast:

I left you many clues in the thread guys...Yes your catchin on CeBit...Nventiv will be presenting and it wont be their mach2...After Cebit will be a few weeks once the product is available for sale

The Dude well I can regas it but look at the money im spending. Now I dontmind spending money at all but heres what I spent on my mach2 so far

mk2 stock w/ enlight case = 1139 shipped
lianli pc65 = 180
lianli mod kit = 150

total is $1469 including shipping

now to do a r404a mod it will be about $22 more so total in mach2 would be 1689$ usd

or sell the mach2 and get most of my money back and get a ls that is already r507 gassed w/ lianli kit for $880 shipped...thats 2x cheaper!

i can ofcourse keep my mnach2 and not do anything but the LS is still cheaper

the new nventiv product will cost more than the ls. this i will tell you...also it wont be called the mach III because mach 3 is a trademark os gilette!

I already have the mach III...great razor ;) :p:



sorry I couldn't resist

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Originally posted by isp
I already have the mach III...great razor ;) :p:



sorry I couldn't resist

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its the best a man can get.... I got two, one silver and one red. hehe

cool.
also my mach2 has a green lcd and i like the blue ls lcd and id be losing too much cash on the mach2. for that money i could of had a better cascade than OPP :D

JBELL i love your avatar looks like that fat@$$ is having a stroke or something...guess he didnt get his cookies

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Originally posted by Phyrox
cool.
also my mach2 has a green lcd and i like the blue ls lcd and id be losing too much cash on the mach2. for that money i could of had a better cascade than OPP :D

JBELL i love your avatar looks like that fat@$$ is having a stroke or something...guess he didnt get his cookies

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He?!! He?!!.....that's NOT a he! Anyone can see that's a HOT chick
Well....JBell thinks so and that's what counts. He likes them young and chubby and full of energy! :D

The Dude are you going to be giving up any of the mk1/2's in your "collection" for a LS? :D

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Originally posted by Phyrox
The Dude are you going to be giving up any of the mk1/2's in your "collection" for a LS? :D

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No, I don't need another PC right now so I'll be sticking with what I have. My 1st Phasechange rig was an original Vapochill that I ran 24/7 for about a year, then I gutted it and used it to cool my video card for a while, ended up trading it for a P4 mobo & cpu.;)

Do you think this will really allow for a much bigger headroom. Personally I doubt it. Sure there are some improvements over then mach1/mach2 but I doubt it will give anyone more than 50~100mhz oc tops. Generally phasechange will get a 3.2C to 4.1~4.2ghz and if you want to go beyond you will have to use a cascade or a very good custom build. Thats the way I really see it.

If you agree/disagree please let me know. Will really help me make a buying decision. Personalyl I dont really care what my evap temp is aslong as I can get 2.6~2.7ghz out of my 3400+. Thats all that matters to me. I care about good looks (have lianli mods), convience, ease of use, and good condensation protection. Personally I HATE hcc compound. However I love the look out of that big @$$ round bakerblock copy evap comming out at the end of that hose. Looks very nice :)

Hetyy the dude that bakerblock mach1 that your using. Do you get colder temps from just having the baker block? Also how are you enclosing it? Do you have the stock microfreezer or did you have to get different enclosure for it. I would like to add a bakerblock to my mk2 in the future but I still want to use the mach2 mounting kit! :banana:

Well.....I can boot my 3.2 into windows at 4.2.....run Sisoft benches at 4.1 and 3dmark at 4 and thats with a 404a modded MachI. Depends more on the chip than anything else. My present cooling is sufficient to achieve those kinds of speeds.

The dude can you please answer that question about the baker block enclosure in my previous post...thx :toast:

well just ordered one from e powerhouse pc 898.00 w/ shipping
the site says avail mar-19. they are in michigan im in ohio. hopfully ill be playing with it monday or tuesday. got it for the gpu.

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Originally posted by Phyrox
The dude can you please answer that question about the baker block enclosure in my previous post...thx :toast:

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Sorry, don't understand how I missed that. I really can't say how much of a difference the Baker block makes as I don't have the same rig without a baker block to compare to. I think it does make a significant difference but I can't back that up.
The Baker Block is enclosed in a custom enclosure that Bowman made. It can be taken off with 2 screws and turned around sideways if needed to fit a sideways mounted cpu on the mobo. It looks nothing like the stock kit and the stock kit cannot be used for it. Bowman employs a completely different mounting system and enclosure now. As far as I know, you cannot use the stock mounting kit with the Baker block, but Baker or Bowman would be the ones to ask about that.

This is really going to put the pressure on Nventiv... the LS is priced lower than a stock mach2, with full Lian Li skin and a real evap...
Nventiv has been getting a premium for their Mach's for a while. BTW, anyone seen the slick NEW Vapochill CPU mount kits? the molded black plastic with the thumb screws....nice.

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Yup C, IMO the Lightspeed has taken the lead if you want to go the whole nine yards...but the machII barebone is also nice if you don't need any frills...

Nventiv will fire back though with something at Cebit... all I can say is... change is good :toast:

charlie i agree with someone who will remain <censored> that the vapo insulation will be 100% effective against condensation. all their doing is using foam and hcc compound but sooner or later condensation will develop. air is still going in and out. nventiv on the other hand has great protection with their sealstring. all gaos are sealed off if you apply the SS right and no air can enter and that way you wont have any condensation. also i do not feel like covering a $750 cpu with hcc compound. looks like my hardware has been ejacul****. i sell my gear after im done with it and i doubt people would want to buy something like that. the vapochill ls does put nventiv on the run for its money though. the "stock" LS = modded prommy (addition of lianli kit, lcd(mach2 only), baker block (optional ofcourse), and a gas exchange all for a lower price. however nventiv can still win. you can get a mach1 for $490 shipped and charge it with r404a/r507/r502 for $200~220 and it will come out cheaper than the ls and will get you slightly lower temps and cleaner insulation.

charlie whats so bad about nventivs evap? :confused: lets not forget that if you regas a mk1/mk2 it will be oon par with a LS or out perform it. :stick: Plus if you mod a mach1 with a bakerblock and recharge it with r507 all I can say it will have the LS running for the hills.

not trying to be a fanboy or anything. just naming facts. i still believe that custom builds are the best. nventiv and asetek is holding out on us. i seen/know their 5year plan and what their relasing then can be relased now. they dont think we dont need anything colder...hell yes we do. so what if cpus will be hotter then than they are now. we can still use colder temps for a bigger oc headroom. people are using cascades now for -80C load so they can get the absolute maxium out of their hardware. imagine everyone who got a prommy would spend the $1200 on a cascade. so it would be ugly but you would see a lot of people getting 3+ghz with fx-51 and over 4.5ghz with the 3.2C and close to 5ghz with the 3.4C :stick:

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i still believe that custom builds are the best

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amen...

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Originally posted by megahurtz-oc
well just ordered one from e powerhouse pc 898.00 w/ shipping
the site says avail mar-19. they are in michigan im in ohio. hopfully ill be playing with it monday or tuesday. got it for the gpu.

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im glad that people are actually buying these and not sitting back :toast:

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Originally posted by Phyrox
im glad that people are actually buying these and not sitting back :toast:

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why...do you work for asetek?

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Originally posted by mdzcpa
why...do you work for asetek?

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heck no your kidding me right :stick: my goals are actually much higher being an asetek employee, amd employee, intel employee, ect.

btw mike if i worked for asetek why would i be a mach2 owner :stick:
im going medical :) after i finish H.S. > college > med school :toast:

im just glad that people are being pioneers, taking chances, and not waiting for bowman. people should be independent and now rely on a phase change expert to rate a product before they buy it. bowman, captaincascade, gary, chilly1, baker and other really have a sour view on these phase change systems because they can do much better and so can asetek and nventiv and they can see that their holding out on us.

asetek and nventiv should really release some of the products from their 5yr plan right now instead of making us wait. we need good cooling now. :stick:

p.s. mike you really gotta update your lan home page with your latest project (3.2EE :slobber: )

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Originally posted by Phyrox
im just glad that people are being pioneers, taking chances,

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Fair enough:)

BTW, I know my home page has dinosuar $hit on it....I need to get around to the update soon before I go AMD FX.:D

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Originally posted by Phyrox
charlie i agree with someone who will remain <censored> that the vapo insulation will be 100% effective against condensation. all their doing is using foam and hcc compound but sooner or later condensation will develop. air is still going in and out. nventiv on the other hand has great protection with their sealstring. all gaos are sealed off if you apply the SS right and no air can enter and that way you wont have any condensation. also i do not feel like covering a $750 cpu with hcc compound. looks like my hardware has been ejacul****. i sell my gear after im done with it and i doubt people would want to buy something like that. the vapochill ls does put nventiv on the run for its money though. the "stock" LS = modded prommy (addition of lianli kit, lcd(mach2 only), baker block (optional ofcourse), and a gas exchange all for a lower price. however nventiv can still win. you can get a mach1 for $490 shipped and charge it with r404a/r507/r502 for $200~220 and it will come out cheaper than the ls and will get you slightly lower temps and cleaner insulation.

charlie whats so bad about nventivs evap? :confused: lets not forget that if you regas a mk1/mk2 it will be oon par with a LS or out perform it. :stick: Plus if you mod a mach1 with a bakerblock and recharge it with r507 all I can say it will have the LS running for the hills.

not trying to be a fanboy or anything. just naming facts. i still believe that custom builds are the best. nventiv and asetek is holding out on us. i seen/know their 5year plan and what their relasing then can be relased now. they dont think we dont need anything colder...hell yes we do. so what if cpus will be hotter then than they are now. we can still use colder temps for a bigger oc headroom. people are using cascades now for -80C load so they can get the absolute maxium out of their hardware. imagine everyone who got a prommy would spend the $1200 on a cascade. so it would be ugly but you would see a lot of people getting 3+ghz with fx-51 and over 4.5ghz with the 3.2C and close to 5ghz with the 3.4C :stick:

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That all depends :rolleyes:
The Nventiv evap looks like it was made in highschool metal shop (sorry NV guys) for proof just look at Baker's little jewels. And WILL a Mach I charged with r507 be colder than the LS?? Dunno'.
Someone has to compare the compressor and configuration of the LS to the Mach1. I bet Bowman/Chilly/Herefishy/Cap'n and the rest could fine tune a LS with different cap tube, etc and get a few more degrees out of it too. If the LS has a greater compressor to begin with compared to M1/2 then Nventiv is done :owned: until they come back with something new.

Bottom line guys... we're ALL winners. One year from now r507 LS/Mach2 will be $500 and one of these companies will release a micro-mini cascade with dual compressors tucked inside of a slightly enlarged bottom case that pulls -100C for $899!!!!!