What are you mad about dude?? :D "I wonder who has tried to submit lhe results" doesnt mean anyone in particular it just means that prolly no one has ever run into that issue :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
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What are you mad about dude?? :D "I wonder who has tried to submit lhe results" doesnt mean anyone in particular it just means that prolly no one has ever run into that issue :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
lhe would be a problem for most of the teams in the f1
the cost is just mad in the UK
and would be a very difficult problem to get around for us
Yah but if hwbot officially supports it like in Massmans statement on twitter, then it has to go :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bazx
I really don't see what the problem is with this LHe category ... if someone's mad enough to pay a couple of thousands euro just to have a couple of hours of fun (ehr lol), what's the problem.
What happens on Hwbot is unrelated to what happens in the F1 competition: if Nick says no LHe, then it's no LHe. No contracts have been signed or anything of that matter, so for all I know, Nick's using the Hwbot rules only because it's easier to write a complete new set of rules.
//edit: And is everyone forgetting that the current 1M world record is on LN2, not LHe ;) :p: :D
in our case it would be upto MSI if they wanted to cover the cost of this type of coolingQuote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
so will have to ask the question now
but i have a feeling i know there answer
maybe th f1 comp should just fix the max cooling to ln2 for this year
next year amd chips may not need lhe so it wont matter then
Look...don't just agree with me because it makes you look cool, k? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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LN2 and LHe are two different things, so if LHe is getting more popular in cooling it's cool idea to add it, I can't see your problem :). You did good thing Massman.
[QUOTE=massman;3892647]The class has been added some time ago. Actually, it has been added ever since I knew the stock frequency was 2GHz.[QUOTE=massman]
So you feel its fair to bench these chips and submit 3d results?
This is disagree with.....
I know of all people how hard it is to find a good 6 gig +3d retail stamped chip review sample or not.
Granted we all earned the priveledge to get these chips but.....If we use them for the bot I feel it will shadow over others that may have hidden talent...
TWKR results shouldnt be uploaded, as they arent available to everyone, its impossible for 'normal' people to get them
sacha35 and Bazx,
Saying about the costs of LHe, I can understand where you are coming from, but the same can be applied to LN2 to some people
I mean, If I had the money, I would have started using it already, money is the only thing stopping me,
I agree about the F1 comp should be LN2 only for the first run as its in beta stage kinda,
But on hwbot, I think anything goes, as long as everyone can get it, which, they can (unlike a TWKR chip), although they may not be able to afford it, they could save up etc,
I mean, andre worked his way through I dunno how many cpuis to find his golden one, so it shows that retail can be just as good, and anyone can buy them.
So,
No TWKR on hwbot,
LHe results are ok, as theoretically its available to the public
But thats just me.
No problem really, its a personal choice what someone does with their results I guess when it comes to hwbot, but it actually makes a better case if it is officially accepted on hwbot because that makes more of a case for getting it in the F1 IMO. If anything, I would think it would be more appropriate in F1 than on hwbot.
I think F1 needs to let ANYTHING and EVERYTHING fly.
Ok I communicated what I wanted 2 here, but I think everyone already knows my views on some stuff :D.. too much derailment now. Great stuff to EVERYONE involved benchers or not. The 3d and 2d results are sick including the 7ghz screen shot. Sucks about the 06', but the results really are stellar so who cares :up:
The pic with all you guys naked in the sauna that I keep hearing about (I refuse to look at it based on someones advice) is what needs some more explaining here :shakes:
There's nothing 'special' in that picture ... appart from a bunch of sweaty dudes ^^
So this thread has "SF3D OC Gathering Vol. 1 -Powered by AMD"
Makes me wonder what will be involved with "Vol. 2" can't wait to see :)
Guess Who? haha
Sweaty? Naked? Dudes? Together? yah nothing special about that :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Still not looking!
Come on man, my wife has printed the pic, it's above our bed now. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
i feel happy to be the one who took the pic outside the sauna .:D
On the other hand ... you were the one who really wanted to make a picture of all these sweaty naked men :D
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Thanks guys! You just made my day!
Vince, what's the price of helium up there? Here in South Africa it seems to be about $30/l which is rough but I can live with it.
Lets see they used a 400L Dewar of LHe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
So 400x$30 = $12,000 not counting Dewar depostit and delivery :eek:
And that lasted what an hour ?
450L lasted around 2-3 hours, I think. A 'normal' price would be around €10 per liter, afaik.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
This is my point exactly, $12,000.00 for one or two hours benching with LH2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
you guys cannot tell me you have the funds to run this stuff yourself as even the deepest pockets cannot afford to put this much cash into something for only one or two hours worth of enjoyment.
Only the supper rich can afford this outstanding cost, so at the end of the day it is the manufacture that can be the only one picking up the bill.
Where Ln2 is easy available to everyone at a reasonable cost making the playing field more even again rather than the supper supper rich or manufacture just showing who can buy outstanding results.
I know I will get flamed for what I have said, but I am not liking what is happening to this community, it should be a sport where everyone can compete on an even playing filed to see who is the best, not who has access to the very best hardware and cooling.
I think this is showing what things are to come and this sport will soon die a very fast death and reduce sales of hardware as the average or above average guy can just not afford to even try and compete anymore.
I am Sorry to take the limelight out of what you guys done as this is outstanding but this just had to be said.
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
lol ok ya i understand, sponsored helium basically means sponsored cherry due to a phenom going 6.5 for sure ^_^
we used a total of 300L (there was 100L left in the dewar when we returned it, this info comes from the gas company who measures the weight of the returned dewars).
massman's estimate on € / L is very close to the price we have in Finland (which is quite a bit higher than the price in the US or in Russia for instance).
we benched a total of 5-6 hours on LHe based on my rough estimate (the final 3D session w/ Sampsa & elmor was 2 - 2.5 hours alone)
Hydrogen != Helium ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sacha35
It already happened. People making best scores are usually sposored, normal guy with avarge pocket surely haven't got money to spend it on 10 different motherboards or 20 CPU's to find the best one, LHe doesn't change a lot. Anyway, I think LHe won't get as popular as LN2 in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by sacha35