I'm glad someone important in XS says what you're saying. Big :clap: to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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I'm glad someone important in XS says what you're saying. Big :clap: to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Indeed :up: Rather strange 180 degree turnaround isnt it....
Unfortunately the "driver and his skills" plays a big part in how high the frequency can be taken in the case of overclocking so the analogy, while convenient, doesnt fully apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualist
Spot on Loc.o :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
ou la la ... Mister KP, please check by yourself before making funny statements ... I am getting a lot of emails of people successfully OCing the 975 at much higher frequency than what you personally archived at GOOC ... Thomas in Europe already got 5.6Ghz stable with ... a non hand picked part. (And NO, he did not get this one from me, I am re-enforcing a policy, that does include myself)Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Are you telling me that you did less with the supposely hand picked part of GOOC than Thomas with this regular Ci7 975 ? That would be a pretty sad statements on your own capability ...
May be this is what you are affraid ... losing your special samples and actually show that you are equal to others ...
Let's make the ground equal for everybody, even for you mister Kingpin.
By the way, I started overclocking probably close to the time you started walking ...
Thanks for elevating the debate on how to make this a serious and Fair contest, I understand that you have your own agenda, push it aside, and do the right thing.
It look like when you get into contest where the play ground is levelled, Charles wins ... is it your concern? hehehehehe ... just kidding!
Francois
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Vince I think you are trying to refer to Francois and Charles were showing the 965 last December, but please remember for the getgo he has been saying that manufacturers demo are useless in his opinion.
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Originally Posted by Drwho?
I got the pleasure of talking a lot with Francois about this issue druing CES and GOOC LA and he has been very very clear to me about how he feels that things would quickly out of handQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
From what I understand the handpicked CPUs for GOOC were certainly supposed to be good CPUs - but his main concern was trying to get a evenly match set of CPUs to avoid mayor discrepancies between what the teams have to work with at GOOC.
Francois has privately demostrated how easily he could show insane CPU clocks with a few tricks - nothing that would ever be feasible for retail.
From what I heard from Fugger he is 100% serious about his stance - whether we want to fully believe this or not will quickly show in the future.
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I was looking forward seeing you bench 3Dmark06 with EVGA board - wait - I don't think EVGA has a board that has onboard graphics - right ???? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I truly do like every over clocker on all teams and many are huge assets to this sport, including DrWho? from Intel, AMD and other manufactures.
It would be a true shame to start up something here that may divide teams and people who make this sport so great, between us and the manufactures. If we can just wait and see how this thing rolls out before making any decisions if its good or bad.
I do have a bad feeling that this might pull clockers and manufactures apart in one way or another and begin to limit access by benchers who already have sponsors and those of us who are trying really hard to be noticed by our skills.
I am just saying is all....
you can check with Thomas, I did not provide any CPU to anybody since GOOC, and the GOOC 2009 CPU were taken out of the sample queue of the Ci7 975.
He did not get this CPU from me.
I am going to bed, I hope I will wake up only with few knifes in my back! take it easy!
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Originally Posted by Buckeye
well said
You are probably referrring to the post I had just deleted - I only heard some rumors that he gotten his CPU from youQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
+1 its a very good point :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
Entirely agreed. F1 is not something that we want to even begin to compare to regular overclockers. FFS an F1 racecar is more expensive than most supercars... and even those are 1 in a million.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Actually, they have a few ;) :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
ouch :p: I was laughing too earlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Russian
This is getting totally out of hand ... It's just TOO confusing :(
There are even better samples out there than Thomas' chip ... retail, non-hand-picked. But that's really not the issue here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
If we're talking about evening up the playing field within the F1 overclocking league, so that it would be interesting not only for manufacturers and tech enthousiasts, but also for the overclockers in that competition. As far as I can see, there have been three suggestions on this topic:
1) Limit the frequency of the cpu's => manufacturers and tech enthousiasts will be less interested + the whole point of this competition is to go as fast as possible.
2) Only use retail samples => F1 competition will just be what Hwbot is now, only using different team names and with some backup by the manufacturer. However, if it's the same like hwbot, we don't need something new, hence competition is pointless.
3) Let processor manufacturers (Intel, AMD ... Via -lol-) provide each team a few cherry-picked samples => apparently against the will of Intel (new policy)
If I'm not mistaken, what you're trying to say here is that retail samples should be used because they represent what's available on the market. But, since 5.6G (yes, even 6G) is available on the market, why is it not possible for Intel to provide the teams competing in this competition with chips that can do this frequency for sure. Eliminate the factor luck and money by providing those chips, much like you did on GOOC (brilliant move).
No one is asking for hand-picked 7GHz 3D stable i7 samples, but since this is an F1 competition, or at least supposed to be, is it too much to ask for the top-shelf samples to be used? Or how does that violate your new policy?
Oh, and much like the postcount on forums, the number of years you've spent overclocking doesn't matter. The scene you see here on XS and on a bigger scale on Hwbot has evolved from the pure matter of overclocking to get more performance to a scene that cares about numbers, about benchmark scores. Please tell me, how much time of your life have you been benchmarking in competition with more than just your family, friends and neighbours?
And ... oh please, don't talk about agenda's.
If Francois thinks they're pointless, he shouldn't have been doing them in the first place. The fact that he did, shows he believed the demo has its purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
I agree not to mention the BS is getting thick.....I need to strap on my timberlands now.
What I get from a particular persons comments is........Intel is not seeding chips anymore ever......
Now I need my waders the timberlands aren't gonna cut it......
All OC should be on air or water......whats the matter with a little cold?
Last I checked this is XS not stock systems.org.....nor is this event called Smart car OC comp......
However I read into the little comments that have nothing to do with this thread.....you slander a company who "has time to bin through chips".
Like intel doesn't bin..............really now? So all those diff models you have are picked by sheer guesswork?
Sorry big guy I've been BS'd by experts....guess what your not one of them.....
Its no secret you guys know the electricals on the chips and bin models by this.
My opinion just let it rip, code the chips and call them F1's in the model name.....case closed......after all the point is to showcase not what your retails can do but how far your process can go and how well it's maturing......
You make NO sense at all... I dont understand your ramblings. I am not even benching nehalem 965 or 975, so I don't know what special samples your talking about :confused: Only chips I can bench atm are retail store bought xeons :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
What is my agenda here lol?
there were major discrepancies though :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
He mistakingly assumed that you competed at GO OC, the rest I'm not touching.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I'm more interested in the pit babes then the overclockers :p Having webcams would be a nice feature too, to see our idols at work. Maybe some sort of schedule too ?
I agree with Chew, CPU's have to be recognisable in some way via CPU-Z screens, the fear of some dudes getting special samples is really too big... But then again how many CPU's does one get ? As many as money can buy ? the whole concept is nice and is very appealing to me, though some things need to be straightened out right now. Before it all starts...
Some CPU's get afraid when the end user fries the motherboards :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I said this before, there is only one possible reason for the manufacturers to be onboard in a big way, the bottom line. It would appear that they are ready to go after the enthusiast market much more aggressively than ever before. Quite a smart business move I think. Small market but generally frequent upgraders and more likely to purchase highend, especially if marketed correctly. This obviously means spotlighting and promoting cutting edge gear and what better way than by using top overclockers fed with nothing but the best and breaking records. The scores and the names and faces are no doubt going to be part of special ad campaigns. To not also include scores from this group and the awesome assembly of hardware is on the bot is unacceptable imo.
Hi guys,
A lots been said lately and much of it's very wrong.
There are way too many 'if's and 'if they cheat'. This is why I'm driving everything so fast... to avoid getting bogged down in all this hypothetical stuff.
We already have contests that pit overclockers with binned identical components against each other: the live events. Long may they continue.
We already have contests with rules that are open to everyone: see HWBot.
If you read the start of the thread F1 OC is ALL about driving technology forward AND exciting the general tech enthusiast... not just overclockers.
The idea of using store bought samples is ridiculous and totally unpolice-able. We could make a million legal rulings to stop 'cherry picking' and we'd never even start. The price will prohibit competition from the start and we'd be off sometime near Christmas if we're lucky.
I expect every team will use the best example of its hardware and will bin everything they use. That's the whole point. So long as it is a retail spec.
As I said right in the beginning, if season two needs rules to stop super-mega-cherry picking we will introduce them then. All this talk of lawyers can stop right now.
No rules. No Limits. Just retail-spec kit and lots of skill. That is all.
There are two safeguards to everything...
1) All published results will be provisional. Any anomalous results will result in a stewards enquiry. The stewards will have full power to impose penalties as they see fit.
2) And this should answer just about every concern mentioned above... I propose, if one team is using what looks to be super cherry picked motherboard or graphics card - then any other team has the right to buy it for the recommended retail price. That's used in Finnish banger racing and works a treat to stop people binning cars. This does not go for RAM (which is already built and sold based on super cherry picking), CPUs (which are going to be HEAVILY scrutinised in season one) or PSUs.
That's it.
For those who don't agree, please re-read the original proposal and see what this contest is really all about and has been agreed to already. Noones coming here and changing it so extensively.
It will be kept as simple as humanly possible. Rules will only be implemented if something happens to warrant them. Until that happens, stop suggesting them, please.
This is only the start. Everything will evolve naturally and be pretty polished by season 3 or 5 or whatever.
Why not follow the structure and player classes of another extreme sport like skateboarding. Have both Pro and Amateur contests just like in the X Games or NSA series.
There are only two types of competitions, Pro and Am. There are four different classes of competitor.
- Professional - Top pros are paid salary and some even design signature parts. They can have as many sponsors as one can gather even unrelated products like red bull.
- Amateur A (Sponsored) - Sponsored Ams get all the free product they need, travel pay, entry fees and if they win overall for the year they inevitably go Pro.
- Amateur B (Flow) - They only get some free parts and the rest is up to them
- Amateur C (Unsponsored)- It's all out of their own pocket and all they can win is a share of the contest purse
The Purses for the Pro contests are huge - $100,000 for first. The top amateurs might pull $10,000. This would mean that sponsors would have to dive in and cough up the dough, none of the free video card baloney. Amateurs who perform well will catch the interest of sponsors by performing well not by hammering sales reps with emails begging for samples.
There would also be room for a couple more magazines and web sites to promote the OCers, parts, competitions and the free spirit, non competitive types who still have amazing skills to showcase.
I think if a few legit magazines were on the shelves next to Computer Shopper and the events got a lot of coverage on the web at sponsor sites and maybe TV it could be a great PR and advertising model. The interest generated could trickle down to gamers and sell a lot of parts.
You could still have the lone wolves who hate corporate BS and don't compete.
Ooh, controversial, but I like it :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
Great example too.
I'd say that's very close to where we're all going with this. Every overclocker will benefit with a strong 'commercial team' leading the way. And more people will get into overclocking. And HWBot will grow (no reason why that couldn't be sponsored and have a prize money one day).Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
how are you going to force a manufacturer to sell a supercherry at retail price
they could just tell you to get stuffed
i reckon if Intel does support this event with their super cherries it should be more even then us using retail cause it's all about how much money someone can throw at it in such instance and some ppl will be able to do a lot more spending then others cough Andre cough haha
but Francois is not interested in this idea so we will have to use retail or whatever parts we can get our hands on:shrug:
it would be nice if we could all get the same support from Intel and AMD, and i reckon that would make the comp pretty even provided that they dont show favouritism to certain teams or members but too bad you wont see Intel behind it with Francois going 180 degrees on this idea.