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06-25-2008, 06:53 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by initialised

The above shows that card will throttle to reduce power consumption and temperature.

The small chart you are refering to only shows how clock speeds and voltage will be lowered when not running a 3D application. As far as I know the thermal thrttling limit on these cards is set to about 125C so I am 99.99999% sure there isn't any throttling taking place.
06-25-2008, 07:14 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

Clearly you are an AMD stockholder. Uttering speculation like its fact. Where are you pulling that out of? The GTX280 has at least as much overclocking headroom as a HD4870.

How so?
How did you come to that conclusion?

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

A single HD4870 isn't going to beat it no matter how much you cool it.

You seem to have forgotten where you are...

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

But maybe if you repeat your speculations enough some people will believe you. It might beat a GTX260 though. Although I doubt it because it looks like the GTX260 has a lot more overclocking headroom than the HD4870. I think if you overclock both cards you will find that the GTX260 clearly beats the HD4870 in most benchmarks due to the additional headroom. And for only $50 more than a 1 gig HD4870. Although that is just MSRP. Post rebate street prices will tell the real story.

Where are you pulling MSRPs for a 1Gb 4870?

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

At stock the two cards are about equal, but fully overclocked (and maybe volt modded) on water I think the GTX260 would waste the HD4870. Of course that's just more speculation.

LoL. I like how you fight his comments, i.e. "speculation, with your speculation...
Fighting fire with fire? :rofl::ROTF::clap:
06-25-2008, 07:44 PM
onethreehill

Radeon HD 4870 In CrossfireX at 4GHz

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SUMMARY: Already impressed with the HD 4870, we strap three of them into IBP’s 4GHz rig and see what happens.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...ghz/index.html
06-25-2008, 07:58 PM
disruptfam

is tweaktown a aussie site?
06-25-2008, 08:42 PM
ceevee

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Originally Posted by ceevee

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves :clap:.

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

http://planetimagehost.com/images/14128_2l9gkl.jpg

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Originally Posted by villa1n

not sure if you ve seen these results... 12k vantage score with just 2 4870's... not X2's ....

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...age/index.html

:shrug:

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310. ;) :stick:

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.
06-25-2008, 08:53 PM
Dragy2k

can we stop bickering like kids and get on playing wit our new toys...like kids.......tbh WHO CARES.......ati gettin a heap of money coming there way and about time too.....can we end this now ....its tiresome!
:up:
06-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Spawne32

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Originally Posted by ceevee

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310. ;) :stick:

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.

this thread is about discussion of the HD 4870, not the GTX 280. Im not gona lie here and say that the 4870 stomps the GTX 280 because it doesnt, but the fact of the matter is that the 4870 performs damn well and holds its own right up there against the GTX 280 for a significantly less price. Not to mention the fact that with ATI cards you arent forced to use a god awful nvidia chipset which will wind up lowering your performance in every other aspect of your entire system.
06-25-2008, 08:58 PM
comc49

Lol ceevee is trying to convince himself that gtx280 was a good buy
but on the inside he feels ripped off
06-25-2008, 09:01 PM
Spawne32

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Originally Posted by comc49

Lol ceevee is trying to convince himself that gtx280 was a good buy
but on the inside he feels ripped off

good buy is in the eye of the beholder, if he purchased the GTX 280 with the intention of getting the MAXIMUM in gpu performance to date, then it was the right purchase, the GTX 280 is on the top. But for a person like myself who doesnt have assloads of cash to throw in every direction, but wants excellent performance, thats where the 4870 will come in, and thats where the majority of the market is for graphics cards, and THAT, is going to hurt nvidia.
06-25-2008, 09:14 PM
Mr.BSEL

The 4870 must have given Nvidia a big scare because I can't seem to find a gtx260 listed anywhere. :D
06-25-2008, 09:32 PM
eleeter

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Originally Posted by Mr.BSEL

The 4870 must have given Nvidia a big scare because I can't seem to find a gtx260 listed anywhere. :D

Maybe NV thought they could milk the early adopters first with the 280. I wonder if Nvidia knew what the 4870 was capable of in the weeks and months before they launched the GTX2xx series. They had to know right? Or at least a good idea.
06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
Caparroz

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Originally Posted by Dragy2k

can we stop bickering like kids and get on playing wit our new toys...like kids.......tbh WHO CARES.......ati gettin a heap of money coming there way and about time too.....can we end this now ....its tiresome!
:up:

QFT

I just don't understand people arguing with numbers... :nuts:

If you're a gamer up to 22": 4850 or a 9800gtx (although 4850 is a better pick once you turn on AA)

If you're a gamer above 22": 4870

If you're a bencher: gtx280, 3xgtx280, 4x4870, etc.

If you're a Crysis gamer: ebay it, it's a crappy game anyway. Arguing if a card plays it at Xfps or at Yfps is ridiculous. It's unplayable on any card at proper IQ settings (don't tell me you're OK with High knowing there's a Very High). You can spend $1300 on 2 gtx280 but it's $1300 to play only one game.
06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
zanzabar

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Originally Posted by ceevee

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310. ;) :stick:

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix
06-25-2008, 09:35 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

unfortunately what cevee doesn't realize is that the gt200 core is OVER TWO TIMES LARGER than the RV770 and it still cant manage to beat it by 15%

now i would like you to look at the IQ review from anand (here is the link incase you cant manage to find it: andandtech IQ compare)

look at the bottom row (row 12) and compare the highest quality available AA settings between the two cards...

yeah thats what i thought, you can't deny it, the RV770 IQ, flat out destroys the gt200 IQ

so next time you go trying to make ridiculous irrational statements on XS maybe you should think twice about your dignity
06-25-2008, 09:38 PM
Truckchase!

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Originally Posted by ceevee

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.[/b]

You win.

Can we get this thread back on-topic now?
06-25-2008, 09:42 PM
ceevee

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

so next time you go trying to make ridiculous irrational statements on XS maybe you should think twice about your dignity

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I am just linking the facts. Not an "irrational statement".

Someone tried to compare 2x4870CF P12000 to GTX280SLI X15310. :rofl:

You cannot compare performance run to Extreme run. Why aren't you calling out his irrational statement?
06-25-2008, 09:44 PM
ceevee

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix

So Ageia makes up for the difference between X6000 and x15310 LOL? Good luck with that idea.
06-25-2008, 09:47 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by ceevee

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I am just linking the facts. Not an "irrational statement".

Someone tried to compare 2x4870CF P12000 to GTX280SLI X15310. :rofl:

You cannot compare performance run to Extreme run. Why aren't you calling out his irrational statement?

earlier in this thread your were crying all the time about how the nvidia is the best card, from what i just posted you can see that the gtx 280 is perfect to get 5-20 frames more if you want your game to look like comparative crap
06-25-2008, 09:48 PM
Philip_J_Fry

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of course vanage mark doesnt mean a whole lot not to mention nv's new driver gives gtx 200's many more points in the CPU test , the physx one i think ... real game test shows that GTX 280 is winning, but not by a whole given that it is $650 vs $299 of 4870 MSRP (we'll see how etailers price it)

also not to mention that tweaktown's result were obtain with oced GTX 280 @ 7001300/2300
06-25-2008, 09:48 PM
ceevee

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix

Lets compare apples to apples then. P12000 for 2x4870CF vs. 280GTXSLI
06-25-2008, 09:51 PM
ceevee

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Originally Posted by Philip_J_Fry

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...age/index.html

of course vanage mark doesnt mean a whole lot not to mention nv's new driver gives gtx 200's many more points in the CPU test , the physx one i think ...

GTX280 results are still too low.

You can see above an actual XS user got P30,000 with LOWER clocks on the GTX280s.
06-25-2008, 09:56 PM
Philip_J_Fry

well .. on what cpu ... at least twaektown's test were done with the same cpu @ the same frequency also is that x15310 tri sli?? i mean u cant compare results with differen gfx card with different cpu, at least make the cpu the same, RAM the same, then its more comparable
06-25-2008, 10:02 PM
AriciU

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Originally Posted by ceevee

GTX280 results are still too low.

You can see above an actual XS user got P30,000 with LOWER clocks on the GTX280s.

That was a phase run at 4800Mhz, QX9770 with 172Mhz more on the shaders and 146Mhz on the ram. How the hell are those lower clocks? :ROTF: Dude, seriously, think before you post such BS and claiming their results were "fixed".

Post the full picture also, why did you cut out the CPUZ window eh? :lol:

http://i30.tinypic.com/v748aw.png
06-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Aberration

How does PhysX on the GPU give the CPU score a boost.... that doesnt seem right.

Wouldnt comparing apples to apples be without the PhysX?
06-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Philip_J_Fry

@AriciU
ahh i c ...

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Originally Posted by Aberration

How does Physix give the CPU score a boost.... that doesnt seem right.

this might explain a bit .. i think
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/733/1/

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