Hey Primoz
Reset the CMOS a million times. Take out the ram and try putting just one stick in the upper orange slot. Do what it takes! Good luck.
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Hey Primoz
Reset the CMOS a million times. Take out the ram and try putting just one stick in the upper orange slot. Do what it takes! Good luck.
I have RDC from work...and I left it burn-in as usual...at voltages and speed as in my signature...Tried RDC without respond and have called home...and even pushing the power button nothing happend...Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
But now it is ok...took the power off and restart after a while...I think it was the PSU that overheated...but on monday I will get an Tagan 580W-U15...hope it solve some of my problems with VCORE swinging....
Thx for your support guys :toast:
Regards,
Primoz
Well I wish you luck. Next time when you are bruning in dont mess with it. What do you burn in with? If you use cpuburn make sure you disable error checking. GL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primoz78
wow dood gratz on a faulty glitch, that woulda sucked had something really good gone up on ya
heres to a good x2 :P :toast:
I guess ima just have to be content with 2.5 with 1.35 because she isnt gonna give me a lick more I guess.
Once a newer bios comes out for this asrock then maybe ill go further but until then im gonna sit and game here for the time being.
Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
Mhm...I use Burn-in but in most case I use SP2004 ;). A question about Tagan 580-U15...does it really have only 30A on 5V and 26A on 3,3V?...cause My 480W Tagan has 42A on 5V and 28A on 3,3V...I think is strange... :confused:
Thx njkid
Yeah its pretty low compared to your other one. Here I found this---Quote:
Originally Posted by Primoz78
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1729.html
From my several hour old 3800+ week 26
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g/753e41d3.jpg
I just found out I have a toledo core with 512 cache disabled on my core makin it a manchester :(
I wonder what it was to make them disable the 512?
like maybe a 4000 or a 4800? whats the deal here?
Now ima have to start doin research into this, I want the extra 512 per core enabled now..
wow 3ghz on 1.6
I would die for that
dual prime stable? on small ffts?
Can I get a 64tweaker ss of that?
Uff...awsooom... :eek2: I will be very hapy to reach 2,75ghz or 2,8ghz at 1,65V...but unfortunatelly it is not possible for me...nice chip dude :clap: !Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
Regards,
Primoz
my chip suddenly starts to EAT voltage at 2.8ghz. 2.7ghz runs with 1.36v no problemo, 2.8ghz needs 1.48v or something mad. I'll have to burn it in hard, and see if that helps at all. Temps go through the roof at above 1.45v as well.
yeah don_v. temps definitely go way up for some reason above 1.36volts..
also.. is that 3ghz stable? or just a SS? either way thats really nice.. i had mine @ 2.96ghz @ 1.75V (im on water) but that voltage is just too high for me to be comfortable.
Nah it's just a screenshot. I'm working on bringing stability up. I figure if i can get a ss at 3050, then after some tweaking i can get it stable at 2.9 Ghz or maybe 2.95 GHz. I really don't want to go over 1.6 volts because temps really increase with X2s, and the PWMIC starts to really heat up as well. Plus, unlike venices, it seems to be that X2s like to go further on less volts. Which makes sense because they seem to start out with less, mine autodetected to 1.26 volts.
same as mine, and i can reach 2.5ghz on that. I'm burning in to go higher!
I REALLY want to reach 3ghz stable, i know i can and i don't care how long it takes, as long as nothing dies in the process then it'll be worth every hour it takes.
Superb set up, first time I have seen anything like that how much water does it hold? :toast: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmartin
Now this might seem a silly question but how do you make it run a instance of super on each core?Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
I've read this thread from page 1 but havn't seen how to do that maybe I missed it.
I have set prime up for each core but I tried super pi and couldn't do it.
Cheers.
You will need to set it up just like prime in sep folders. Now for some reason even when I edit the shortcut it doesnt work so the fix is go into the taskmanager and set the affinity there for each instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Just read this then shouted my wife to read it, didn't work for me :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Think I must be tired just opened prime up then went into task manager looked at the tabs can't find anything to set the affinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
I am slow on the uptake with things it took me ages last night to get dual prime going even with the screenshots, I couldn't see the colon after the EXE must have tried it for ages it didn't seem very clear on my monitor.
If you could explain like to someone who hasn't ever done it before then I might grasp it, that's if you get time of course.
Cheers.
Well you want to go into the processes and find prime or super pi and right click on it and choose set affinity. Do one intstance for 0 core and one for 1 core. I hope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Sorted THANKS :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
Another quick question, I have tried running both and it always fails non convergent in SQR as I remember yet it has been running prime for roughly 10 hours perfectly OK, does this mean that it's unstable and I'll have to reduce the overclock?
That sounds like its a ram problem.. What are you using and at what timings?Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
I have both of mine in seperate folders and set the sffinity in task man..
but for some reason when i run em both only one gotes to 100% other hangs around 30ish.. why is this?
nvm guess they cant both be at 100% in blend?
If i set em to small ffts they both go to 100% in blend one takes over, I guess because only one would have access to ram?
I really am green at this x2 stuff but am learning I guess.
so far 2.5 at 1.35
It looks like your unstable. When I oc'd to much ran ran 2x super pi one of the cores (usually 0) would freez up and I would have to endtask or reboot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
I bet you were running Small FFT's. That doesn't test RAM at all, so i'd agree RAM is most definetely the issue. What do you have? If it's TCCD it shouldn't be having an issue by now, unless you're running 2-2-2-6 in which case loosen to 2.5-3-3-6.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
If anything else, try raising the vdimm one notch, then loosen timings, then finally if all else fails, just use a divider.
I'm with the OCZ rev2 at 2.5-3-3-6 TRC-9 TRFC-12 TRRD-3 TWR-3 TWRT-2Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
TRWT-3 TREF-1560 everything else on auto.
I'm going to put the ram on a divider to see if that helps, I just up the core that didn't help. So the ram theory might be right.
I edited when you were posting
read what I just added and give me some insight into this
thnx for help so far
try tref at 4708=166 1.95usQuote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
I can test both small and large ffts no probs both cores but seems blend only allows one to fully be used..
now I have ran both of them single and both pass blend but together seems like other one takes over the usage?
I think this is the best thing--- I used it for both prime and super pi. Now look at the custom settings for prime cuz if you try to run the blend test it will try and use tooo much mem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...hlight=prime95
thats what I was thinking so only one would run at 100% and other is starved for ram eventhough I have 2 gigs
Just loaded the std settings for everything no overclock on anything and it still did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
I think somehow I might be using the same Super Pi and trying to run it two times.
If I start one it's fine then the other the last one fails, if I reverse the order the last one still fails.
I only downloaded one copy so could it be that?
Will have to go to bed soon I fell asleep while it was rebooting can hardly see type properly, cream crackered I think.
Thanks for te idea's will be back tomorrow when I am more alert.
THANKS :toast:
When your running sp2004 are you setting the affinity and unchecking the box? Cuz that would do it! Why dont you setup prime95 like instructed in my link in my other post. For initial testing I dont use the priority 10 I just leave it at default. Try that out. Now when I run sp2004 I only instal one time I just click it twice to open 2 then set the affinity there cuz that works and its easier. GLQuote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Your second core is unstable.
awesome man thnx alot its workin as should now :P
The problem is still there, I have tried opening it twice then setting affinity still the same, but here's the puzzel if I set core 0 going first then start core 1 core 1 fails, if I set core 1 running first then start core 0 then core 0 fails.
It is always the second instance that fails.
I have even tried on completely standard settings and it still fails, yet I can run 2 instances of prime 95 one on core 0, the other on core 1 this ran overclocked to 2.5GHz for over 10 hours without failure.
So it doesn't seem to be that one of my cores is unstable because the same happens to both.
Any idea's ?
The error message not convergent in SQR05 appears.
Hi Smids is the 250x10 a mistake in your sig or have you changed your overclock? I see that on OcUK forums you were at 260x10, just wondered if anything has made you change to 250x10.Quote:
Originally Posted by smids
Cheers.
I don't get it, the chip is supposed to do 2.2GHz so why would AMD replace it?Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Lets advise everyone to RMA their perfect CPU's then when the price doubles we know why don't we. :slapass:
AMD :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma422
This makes me real angry, this is the second cpu and you want to RMA again have you no scruples?Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
There is nothing wrong with the chip it does what it is supposed to if you overclock the warranty is VOID.
I lost a FX55 and stood the cost because I overclocked it why because it is wrong, people like you cost all of us because AMD have to cover the costs thanks to people like you.
Think about it you know it is wrong.
I totally agree RMA'ing a chip that works perfect is wrong. If you want a high OC and memory controller that works at high Mhz then spend the money and get a FX 57 or Dual core Opty.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Finally found the problem we were talking about different programmes I was using Super Pi which I thought was the SP2004 today I downloaded sp2004 and it works like a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
But is there a way to run 2 instances of Super Pi that's the one I'm having trouble with.
Cheers.
hi all.
i have my new 4400+ x2 0534spmw mobo Abit UL8
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90...ripper/pi2.jpg
my vcore can come more down but the mobo is not for oc'ing so il have to wait for a beter wanne cant go high mobo holds me back :mad: .
some wanne ells withe tis stepping?
use this time with a crappy motherboard to BURN BURN BURN in, and get the vcore right down. Then when you get yourself a decent one (dfi?) you can get oc'ing straight away.
will do think tis is a baby , wen the new mobo is here il put the wc on it :stick:
I broke the world record with my X2 3800+. :)
Vapochill cooling. :D
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/42794.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=42794
gratz on wr dude what kind of volts does she ned to go there?
Im currently at 2.5 wih 1.35 which i must say im verry pleased with
Don can you pm me about ur burn process man I wanna see If I can get this chip higher with just 1.35
Ive been burning about a week str8 with 1.3 @ 2.4 dual core prime blend and she stil wont go a lick over 251
Well, actually I didn't do any kind of burn in... :D
I just set it, and OCed it to 2.6Ghz and 1.26v, and after 2 months (last week), I set it with my vapochill and did this. :)
I am decided to buy one x2 chip, but now i dont really know wich one.
I have just enough money for the x2 4400 Toledo, but as you are saying 4400 are the worst of all x2. soo...
What should i get? x2 3800?
Thanx a lot people! :toast:
x2 3800+ is undoubtedly the best value for money. X2 4600+ could well be the best overclocker, but very few people have them as if they spend that much, they want the most cache they can get, so they go for the 4400+.
if you're looking to clock, i'd say x2 3800+ is the best bang for buck.
Get the X2 3800. They have the best price/performance ratio and they OC well.
I have a 3800+ Toledo which seems to do well.Quote:
Originally Posted by viddax^2
I think buying the Toledo has the advantage that you are more likely to get an early chip. It seems that will all recent chips earlier versions are better than later ones.
I thought that the first 3800+s were BV and the later ones were CD, making Toledos the more recent 3800+s? Mine is week 26 and it's -BV.
My Toledo is 0529RPMW. I think both our weeks are in the "green" zone.
I was assuming most/all 3800+ made now are Manchesters?
Anybody here on Phase with a Manchester 3800 with a Neo2 Plat? I have been running my Winchester 3000+ for the last year @ 2.8ghz (MachII cooled) and I am in need of an upgrade so I just gave in to the "add to cart" disease. I am hoping for the same clocks but I am a little concerned about the current handling capacity of the power regulation circuitry on the Neo2 given the fact that the Manchester is a dualie and I will most likely need to pump upwards of 1.55v-1.6v to get any decent ~2.8-2.9ghz clock. I am not worried about temps but more about the FETs. Let me know your experiences.
They (3800+) all are Manchesters, but some (new ones), are E6 instead of E4.
My 3800+ is dated week 32 and is not an E6!...so not all new ones are E6!
Regards,
Primoz
I was told that if in cpu-z that if ur family is f and stepping is 2 then its a toledo core with 512 disabled making it a 3800 manny, correct me if I was misinformed here..
Either way I have a good clocker im at 2.5 with just 1.35v shell do 2.4 with just 1.3v
Once I get a volt mod for this board im givin 1.6 and seeing where itll get me to
Did you check it with CPU-Z 1.30 or any AMD software? Y say it cuz I know people who thought their ones were E4 until tried that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primoz78
I checked with CPU-Z...but the program that shows max CASE TEMP says it is an E6...but as described in lot of forums it is an BV stepping and it is an E4.
With stock volts I can get to 2,35ghz (Super_PI 8M stable) but for sth more I have to rise my VCORE a lot...for 2,6ghz prime stable I have to rise to 1,552V...but can`t get further than 2,6ghz...even 1mhz more!
Regards,
Primoz
Well, then I think it is an E4. My E6 can do 2.6~2.7Ghz @ 1.26v. :)
No, there are Toledos, but they still have 2x 512 KB cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoL
I should know, I have one :D
So the Toledo has a larger die size and overclocks better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
debatable if it OCs better. mem controller seems to be somewhat worse, and i doubt they OC much better, because of that.
If by die size you mean in nm, no, they are both 90nm. However i guess toledo has a bigger die than manchester, thanks to the extra cache.
Yes, bigger die = bigger surface area & possibly better O/C for that reason. Thanks
I think I read some thread about the surface area difference!??
no no bigger die doesn't equal better OC. The size of the die doesn't have an effect.
Have you tested this?Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
well...no, since no 2 pieces of silicon overclock quite a like.
But San Diegos do not overclock any better than Venices (aside from fx-57, which is different) so i'm pretty sure there is no correlation.
I can see your suggesting something along the lines of "bigger core means better heat dissipitation" which makes sense, but it is minisculely bigger, and rarely do temps of 1-2c (all the effect that would have) make much difference.
Just wanted to post my experiences with my overclocking and to see if I could get some helpful info from other members on getting it higher. :) I have a week 31 X2 3800+ E4 in a Soltek SL-K8T-939FL currently priming @ 2.5 and 1.525V. Not sure if it'll be stable or not with those settings. At 1.5V Prime95 failed after 4½ hours so I'm trying it at this voltage now. I'm just mainly trying to get as high as I can and am not really worried about upping the volts. I'll look into lowering that after I get some stable settings. When I had stock cooling I could only get it to 2.3 @ stock volts, anything higher and Prime fails in less than 5 minutes. Now that I have it watercooled it lasted a bit longer (2.3 @ 1.35V), but still failed within 40 minutes. I don't think temps are really holding me back as far as I can tell. I'm not even sure if my mobo sensors are even accurate. When it reported 55°C the stock HSF only felt a bit warm. I'd say that once it hit 65°C+ it started to feel as hot as my P4 @ 45°C (Also had an aluminum HSF). Regardless, the sensor is reading 51°C right now, so actual temp will probably be lower if the sensors are indeed inaccurate.
I'm considering a more popular mobo if it's the Soltek that's limiting me from getting stable clocks, but we'll see.
OK, I was hoping that you had some evidence for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
I don't think there is a technical connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
But the Toledos are rarer, it seems that all the 3800+ Toledos I have seen pop up on forums, including mine, are from around week 0529, which overclocks well.
With other CPUs they moved on to new revisions which act differently, e.g. Venices >= 0531 seem to do pretty bad.
I would recommend getting a Toledo 3800+ because from what I have seen it is very likely to get a good week.
well mines a manchester (BV), and im doing 2750mhz with 1.4v, which isn't too bad. There's no one better clocker than the other.
I got my x2 4400 now
stepping : ccbwe 0528 cpmw
batch nr 0157
is it any good?
Still trying to decide if I want to keep my X2 3800+
With stock HS/F I'm clean 24/7 at about 2600-2620ish, highest 1M bench at 2780mHz.
Will be on water next week, and would like 24/7 clocks of 2750mHz++, 2900mHz would be really nice, but I don't think I'll see it unless I go phase change or DI.
I mean dual-core is nice, but an Opty 939 would prob do 3100mHz on water, so the X2 doesn't look soooo great.
Mine is BV 0534 E4...
How much benefit from popping the IHS on an X2?
C
you are the one that have to test it and tell us.... :p:
Charlie, from what i've seen, the X2s benefit more from IHS removal than Venices/SDs do. Maybe because the core is so big, there is a higher chance that part of it is making bad contact? Anyway, if your load temps exceed 50 with conventional cooling, chances are removing the IHS will help a significant amount.
im going to hazard a guess it's not, but that's based on a small theory of mine. Post your results here, and tell us how you do with it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smy
Just got my X2 4400+ 2 days back
Here's a screenie of it
@ Default Vcore + Stock Cool :D (Ambient @ 29c)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/5ubz3r0/X22.jpg
don_vercetti :I am prime on 2.6ghz 1.4vcore 38c load now :banana:
I am hoping for 2.7ghz maybe 2.8ghz :D
Best i've been able to do thus far
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g/a5ce43db.jpg
Can almost get 2.9 Ghz stable but core0 fails
what is the stepping ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
where do you buy this x2 ?
Da*n, that's a WICKED good chip!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
C
I think any 3800+ would do that. Mine one included. :)
Is there a definitive way to tell this by CPU markings or software?Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
Thanks
My chip is a week 26upbw from Fry's. I made a thread with all my results about a week ago but it sunk down pretty quickly.
I was able to do this, but core0 failed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g/7fe9cf82.jpg
wow dood I wish mine will be able to do that when I can throw some volts at her, im currently on a 3800 doin 2.5 default volts so im guessin this shouldnt be a problem with me, and if I decide to go top down i think i might be in 3ghz mark :)
3 Ghz on air? Good luck buddy!
Here's 2.7 Ghz with 1.39 volts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g/c4cc88f0.jpg
sorry but your SP is not set uo correctly...
yeah i know it isn't set up perfectly. My first stop with the overclock was 2.65 Ghz! And from there it was a 1/2 hour test at each frequency until i maxed it out. So 2.65, 2.70, 2.75, 2.80, 2.83 (took a detour here), 2.85, etc. So many of my earlier tests have no affinity checked. I can try to re-run them over teh weekend...
my X2 OC's a lot better with 1GB of ram compared to 2gb of ram... I mean higher mHz, not higher memory speed!!!
A little MUSHKIN REDLINE action :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=38522
default hs/f...25C ambient 1.61v
My ram timings blow, this one came out to 29.89
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g/caa09f8d.jpg
That'd be 27s if you had some BH5/UTT to run at 268, 2-2-2...Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
C
my new 24/7 overclock. New mobo helps ALOT. Also since its laid out much better im getting much better temps. My daily Vcore now is down to 1.40 solid instead of 1.44 with fluctuations.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...IOverclock.jpg
What mobo did you have beforehand?
I got a few questions for you guys here, I dont know about steppings and all and mine seems wierd to me, Heres a linky
Steppings
It does 2.5 with 1.35 So a 500 mhx overclock at no vilt increase seems good to me but does anyone here know if these steppings are wierd or what? I mean the ccwbe part rest seems ok
I have a CCBWE 0529SPMW that does 2.5 GHz at 1.31V so far testing now. Prime stable for 24 hours with two instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Sweet
What mobo is that on?
My mobo psu overvolts like :banana::banana::banana::banana: because of the rail mods I did which isnt really a bad thing I guess, but Im doin 2.5 with 1.35 setting
Whered u get urs from?
Monarch here and got a free bet on soldier 64bit game with it
Mines also a toledo core whats urs?
These 3800 seem to really overclock well. Almost makes me want to ditch the 4400 and try one of these. AlmostQuote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
i switched from a MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum to my new DFI UT NF4 Ultra-D.