Yes........Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonx21
EDIT: I hope that you have already renamed - if not - the bios file to .ROM
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Yes........Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonx21
EDIT: I hope that you have already renamed - if not - the bios file to .ROM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
yes...
but now... the pc doesn't boot to windows 98 recover floppy why?
I tried to flash my P4C800 Deluxe with that bios too and after the flash i can get in the bios and save the settings but after that it won't boot and i have to erase the bios settings to boot and get in the bios again but than i have the same problem again,after save settings it won't boot :(
I did use Afudos 1.16 and the boottrick.
Is it possible to use the P4C800-E Deluxe bios in the non E version because i want to change the multiplier.
I now use the program Eist to change the multiplier in windows but i'm not sure if it's stable because i can't get a higher fsb than 214.
I can run Superpi 1M at 13x214 but 10,11 or 12x215 gives a error in Superpi.
Or does my M740 not like a higher fsb than 214 :(
It's prime stable at 13x200@1,375V with the standard cooler.
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
me too...
the issue of bus is an issue of bios, for got high bus must boot 200+FSB :mad:
where do i buy this ct-479 adapter card at? ive been looking thru the treads and havent found where to buy yet...
thx perc,
i got mine from www.xpcgear.com
are there any release notes or anything for them, do they do anything for ct-479? such as full pat with agp/pci locksQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike@Portugal
Perc,
eWiz had them not too long ago for about the $54 or so, shipped.
Edit:
Forget it, I just checked eWiz and they don't show any.
Beware to DISABLE the onboard LAN when you flash a different bios in your mobo.......and KEEP it DISABLE........Forget the onboard LAN....... :)
why is that?
Do you know this from personal experience? Others have reported that LAN, sound and RAID all work fine after flashing P4P800DLX to P4P800SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
There are mobo's which have Intel Giga LAN and others that have Marvel LAN.......Between them, there is a no go by flashing them with another bios than it's own, if you can understand what I mean......Quote:
Originally Posted by hmsrolst
EDIT: I'm talking about P4C800 series.....
but.. with the P4C800E-DLX bios can't save setting...
if i disable the lan, can work the save setting?
so does anyone know what exactly this bios does for a p4p800se?
I just picked up a second 730 hoping for a good chip for my P4P800SE. My first 730 would run at 201x10 with stock voltage, but not much more. I can't get the new chip to run at any FSB higher than 196. So I can run at 11x196 (2157), or 12x183(2196), but I can't boot at even 10x201(2010). From my other chip I know the board and RAM are fine with it, just not with this chip. Although this kind of problem was common at lower FSB with B1 chips, it seems peculiar with C0 chips. Has anybody else had a problem like this? :confused:
i can boot from bios up to around 230fsb with the same chip and board..Quote:
Originally Posted by hmsrolst
Yes .....something similar happened to me . I removed the jumper from the CT-479 adaptor and it worked :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hmsrolst
Seems like nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vtx_
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. Anybody else have this issue? Any other suggestions appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
what is the latest bios version for mobo P4C800-e del, 1023.001?
i think i have seen somewhere 1023.004, but I can't find anything about that.
There's also a new bios for the P4C800 Deluxe since 23 september,don't know what the benefits are.
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us
1024.001 beta bios is also out... I will flash it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
Razor_Sniper, if it's for P4C800-ED, could you post a link.
p.s. thx, I allready found it, thx
Is there any difference betwen 1023 and 1024.001 at oc?
No, my max is still this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovtar
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=40229
:(
Can you make a Screen of CPU-Z with the Memorytimings.
You you are nearly 2 sec faster than i. But you are only 74mhz more than me ...
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/gallery/da...332427_406.JPG
Firstly you are with the P4P800 and 865 and he is with the P4C800 and 875....... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 0verl0ad
Now here's another one with the P4C800 and 875.......... ;)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...-Pi_25_png.png
EDIT: I just show that you've got TWO "minus"......a. P4P800 and b. Cas 2.5-3-3-6.......NO go..... ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
hipro thats crazy. could you run PI MOD so that i can see the milisecs.
anyway here's the mem timing i used: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...875tweaker.jpg
funny to think i held this ct479 in my hands some weeks ago george :D hehehe
Sorry, this was done on July.....Since then, I have disassemble the comp while testing the cascade......I'll be back soon..... But I have some more on higher frequencies though..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisha
Like this - let's say -..... :)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...21.984_png.png
EDIT: Try to use the "111" parameter if your rams could handle it and not the "110" on the older Tweaker.....
EDIT 2 : ALSO boot at 200MHz and not at 201MHz..... ;)
:D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
is there a difference in the old and new tweaker?
i thougt the old one had three digits and the new had 2 but otherwise all is the same.
i get no difference between 11 or 10.
I haven't tested the newer one........but I think that you are right.......111 = 11 and 110 = 10.......After all I don't use the Tweaker at all.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Elisha
In bios I put everything in turbo and enable with the lower latencies so I don't need tweaker.... ;)
ah ic but the p4c800 doesn have alot of memory timings in the bios at all.
i even flashed to the new bios but there is absolutely nothing different which is dissapointing.
3D2K1:
36,383
too bad my xms3500 BH5 is dead or my lobby low would be higher.
It looks like the p4c800-e dlx does not give 2.85Vdimm when set to that.All the settings my tcc5 ran on my 875p-t at 2.8Vdimm ( read very hard and fussy on ram) was not stable on my p4c.
Here's a comparison for the P4P800 and the P4C800 mobos......
P4P800-SE
Take a good look at the ram speed here......
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...aR_694_png.png
P4C800E-Deluxe
.....now take a good look at the ram speed here.......
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...aR_759_png.png
As you can see here, the ram on P4P is on a LOT higher frequency than the P4C one.......BUT PAT works fine on the P4C......The "phseudo PAT" on P4P isn't doing a good job....... ;)
All test are with everything aggressive
AGAIN P4P800
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D..._41.54_png.png
.......and P4C800.......
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D..._40.38_png.png
P4P800
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D..._32.99_png.png
P4C800
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D..._31.72_png.png
As you can see there is no comparison between those two mobos......P4C800E-D is way ahead of the P4P800-SE.......
.....and max RAM frequency on P4C800E-Deluxe.......cpu-z verified......a bit lower...not 280MHz but 279.8MHz..... :D
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...sb_1_1_png.png
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...0_cpuz_png.png
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...700_id_png.png
can sb tell how should be next two options set for fastest performance
DRAM Idle Timer
DRAM Refreah Rate
I'm not sure but i think it also depends on what memory you use,just try some settings and run some benchmarks to see if you get a beter result.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Just to compare how faster is P4C over P4GD1 , I will test soon at exactly the same clock and timmings as Hipro5 soon :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
BTW , Stryg add that to the first page also . ;)
http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/marcel...edo/spi_XS.JPG
hey Toledo try Pi Mod so we can see the miliseconds difference.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
hipro this result is great :) 25s with 2,7 :clap:
does anybody knnows if the dualcore p-ms will use 479 ?
yes, they will, but it might not be the same 479.
can anybody help me, when i mount my phase change on my dothan, I allways get "new cpu installed" and can't get past bios, except default settings. Tried reflashing bios, doesn't help, cleared cmos, doesn't help either.
maybe something is wrong with cpu?
maybe it doesn't like below minus temps.
now i have the same problem on stock cooler to???
Be aware that the adapter might be pushing to the P4 retension socket from beneath.
Make sure that the board is properly mounted and use spacer if not mounted at all :)
BTW P4P can do a good job booting at 200. :)
PAT is fully enabled w/ turbo setting. Unfortunately only 1:1 divider work w/ 533 bootstrap.
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/kikoguru/img/27s.png
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/kikoguru/img/27891.png
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/kikoguru/img/28055.png
[ti4200 at low resolution]
Ciao
actually i fixed it, i vaccumed both sockets and it's gone, probobly some of the insulation got caught up between.
can anybody tell me is it save to put DDR booster on a mobo with vdimm mod, what is the thing?
Dothan 730 on air
27 sec on a P4C800E deluxe :)
Has any one used the p4c800 (knot e) bios 1021.005 beta ?
my p4c800 e dlx and dothan 730 and ct-479 are all dead after pushing it to 275x10 with ram at 275 2.5-3-3-5 the pc reset the ct-479 will no longer tell the motherboard what vcore to use. in the p4c800-e it shows 1.7 upto 1.9 and in a p4p800se it shows 1v both have no options in the bios to the vcore.
then the cpu just died i guess the vcore running so high did this.
i picked up a used p4c800 dlx and borrowed a ct-479 and pm 740 from work.
after checking asus for the latest bios i flashed the 1021.005 beta.
everything seamed to be ok but i keep getting random resets. I checked the temps and they looked ok with stock settings of 133x13 on teh cpu.
i put a p4 back in the system and that is stable. Today i tested the ct-479 and cpu at work and that is stable too.
i think it's the bios that causing my problems but i will flash to 1021.003 to see if thats any better.
I'm using a P-M 760 in a P4P800DLX flashed to P4P800SE BIOS 1010.001. No matter how I set the RAM speed in the BIOS, I end up with a 3:4 FSB:RAM divider according to CPU-Z or Clockgen. I've tried pulling the jumpers off the CT-479, and every available RAM setting (266, 333 and auto at lower speeds). The end result is that I can't get a decent FSB because the RAM (Ballistix PC4000) is too overclocked.
For example, I have no problem running Prime 95 at 15x160 (2400), but 12 x 200 or 201 won't boot, because the RAM speed is too high. Do you think that this is a mobo or BIOS problem, or am I just doing something wrong? Suggestions very much appreciated.
I had a similar problem when I pushed my RAM too far. Try running a divider and make sure it's not the RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by leejsmith
Why not use the latest 1023 BIOS?
I got the same combination but i use bios 1021d.004 and have no problems only the multiplier is fixed at 13 :( can you choose different multipliers with bios 1021.005?Quote:
Originally Posted by leejsmith
you can get 1021d.004 here:
ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIO...P4C800_Deluxe/
yes you can change the multi with 1021.005. i will try again sunday just incase it was somthing else like bad contact with the cooler.
@bnice7 it's not my ram thats the problem it's gskill ddr600 so running at 270 fsb is not even pushing it but it could be the mobo not happy as 270fsb.
1023 is for the p4c800-e i dont have the -e anymore and it wont work on the p4c800 as it has a intel lan and the none e has 3com lan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
looks like it was a poor contact with the cooler as it's been working ok for the past hour.
Quote:
Originally Posted by leejsmith
I flashed my P4C800 Deluxe too with the 1021.005 bios and i have the option to change the multiplier in the bios but if i choose another multiplier than 13,say 10 it still boot with 13 :mad: i think i have to wait for another beta bios :(Quote:
Originally Posted by leejsmith
did you flash with the latest afudos if you dont the bootblock wont be programmed.
do you have a p4 chip you can put in the p4c. this will help reset the chip settings and should allow you to change the multi when you mut the dothan back in.
i have used 6 , 10,11,12 and 13 ok with the m740 but 8 wont post no matter what fsb.
this is common on most p4 boards with ct-479 that i have used.
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
I got a brand new Celeron 360J and a CT-479 for free. Just ordered a P4P800SE to match, and hopefully soon I'll have this up and running.
Googling for some tests and information I bumped into this forum and learned the Dothans have a lot of headroom for overclocking.
I hope my Celeron will run at 533 FSB.
So now I have a noob question on this subject. The CT-479 has a jumper to indicate what CPU you put on it, a 400FSB or a 533FSB.
So to try and make my Celly run at 533MHZ, should I use this jumper, or keep it at 400FSB and overclock only via the BIOS OC features? What's the difference between setting the jumper and using the BIOS?
Thanks
DT
Set 200fsb in bios en 400mhz mem, you will get 1:1.Quote:
Originally Posted by hmsrolst
Thanks. That's what you're supposed to get, but for some reason it's not doing it on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor_Sniper
Any other way to flash the board then you don't have an p4 s478 in hand?
nope....
ok. thx for the quick answer, I guess I have to ask my brother to send me the cpu from the computer@ my parents place.
No!!!
Hi guys, just to let you know I have put together a 2.13 and P4P-800VM with the CT-479, will report back how I get on with overclocking it - a bit frustrated with the lack of FSB adjustment in bios but sure I can get around it somehow :)
First thought was to wire mod the ct-479 to default 800fsb but I have not looked at the specifics, (I know these ASUS boards seem to hit ocing walls if the default FSB is not set to 800). Anyway its just installing windows so I will look at that later.
Thanks for all the useful info :)
EDIT - Now at 166FSBx16 = 2.6ghz RAM is only stable at 3-3-3-8 using 3:4, max FSB I have had is 185, now I seem to be hitting a wall around 170-180 as usual with the ASUS boards...oh and I see bigtoe suggested the 800fsb mod already, hoping as I have muti adjustment in BIOS I should be able to boot at 800FSB, just need to find the pins - can anyone advise?
I'm having trouble with my 770 and P4C800-E Deluxe. i1023ed.rom BIOS. (flashed and runs with P4)
When the power lead to the Ct-479 is plugged in and I press the power button the fans just spin for a second, then dead. Without it the fans continue spinning but the monitor stays blank. Has anyone experienced this before?
Any ideas what it could be - could it be a dead CPU? :(
Not the cpu, something is wrong, motherboard, PSU, prob, the PSU is shutting itself off because something is wrong. Check for short-circuits, test a p4 in there (to check if its the adaptor) , test another psu, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
bahQuote:
Originally Posted by markodude
they are there - don't remember though, ask sparky i think, i think he told me..
either way, what's wrong with booting @ 201FSB*9?
The system runs fine with a P4, I tested it to ensure that the BIOS flash worked. Also running the rig now with a P4, typing this :)
I think one way would be to find someone with a Centrino computer that I can rip apart and try my CPU in...
I thought it could be a problem with the cable (shorting PSU or something), but I tried another and the same happens. :(
@Wwwww The problem is the VM board does not have FSB adjustment so cant boot at FSB other than 133 or 100, I need to trick it to think the default FSB is 200.
I need to find the BSEL pins to mod and would like to know if anyone else has done this as I dont want to fry my system!
Thanks
Has anyone had experience on how a blown CPU reacts on this setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
prob a problem with the adaptor, try another adaptor
Stocky,
Check the socket on the MB to make sure it is clean
Check the pins on the CT-479 to make sure it is straight
Check the socket on the CT-479 to make sure it is clean
Check the CT-479 to make sure there are no blown chips or burnt / scorch marks
Check the pins on the CPU to make sure it is straight
I think there is a short between your cpu -> adapter -> MB cuz it would power down so fast. Or a blown adapter.
When my CT-479 blew a chip, my cpu fan still spun but got a blank screen and the MB was telling me there was a cpu error (P4C800ED with voice warnings turned on).
This happened to me twice last night - I was testing some other 770s and tried to boot after installing one. Got the fans on for a sec then nothing......I had not tightened the little screw that locks the CPU into the adapter socket. You must make sure this goes all the way round to the locked position.
2nd time I had 7 volted a 120mm fan, it didn't like that either, must be the type of fan (LED) causing problem as I have 7 volted many fans before. Anyway put it back to 12v and it booted fine.
HTH
Mark
if i remeber a dead cpu is the same as not having the power lead connected to the ct-479 fans spin but no post.
i had a problem like yours the fans would spin for a sec and then top but that was a faulty crystal orb fan on a vga card but if it works ok with a p4 and nothing else changed it wont be anything like that.
have you tried just the vga card , ram and cpu in case it's some thing else connected that does not like working with the ct-479.
also do you have a speaker connected does it beep in any way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
I have a question: can you overclock a Dothan in a ct-479 in a P4C800-E deluxe just with the BIOS settings? I see people use Windows tools to clock and volt them, I wonder whether you have to use them.
You can do it the way you like. With the latest bios you get vcore upto 1.6 multipliers and fsb... Its just like old-school northwood overclocking - with the multis :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
You can usually squeeze around 50mhz more benchable if you use clockgen.
50 millihertz ain't worth the trouble http://www.cons.org/smileys/wink.gif.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
I don't use Windows hence the question.
I experienced the same with my 730. Blank screen. No signal at all. I think the cpu is dead. :( I removed the heatsink and turned the PC on. The cpu doesn't even get warm. The system runs just fine with a P4. I tried a new CT479 but nothing changed. I'm waiting for a new 740. :brick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Buddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Your CT-479 is dead. Your CPU is fine.
I have the same problem on one of my two Dothan desktops.
Hello to everobody from noob on the forum by the way.
NoX,Quote:
Originally Posted by NoX
Your CPU is most probably fine. It is your CT-479 that has a problem. Seems like those adaptors are really easy to short.
well if your cpu isn't getting warm it could either be the cpu or the adapter. the adapter is cheaper so replace that 1st.
sorry for the noob question but would i be right in thinking you can't set the fsb that high in the bios and have to overclock to 270 in windows using clockgen or something? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisteccone
just something for me to think about if i get some decent ram for my dothan setup. :cool:
boot at 201 and up with clockgen.
Ram are Kingston DW-50 ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by galileo2000
I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoX
My 730 was a gem, 2.8G at 1.510V. Stock HSF :(
Sweet memory! What voltage are you running that at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisteccone
Booting at 201MHz is a NO GO....... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisteccone
You HAVE to boot at 200MHz so as to see some real gain........ :)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...-Pi_25_png.png
True, but it's really heavy on the board!Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
boot @ 201 we can reach ~265 Full PAT
boot @ 200 max is ~240, but the numbers are better for sure!
It's not "full PAT".......It's some kind of "phseudo PAT".........You loose a LOT by booting at 201MHz.......Almost 1sec in Super-Pi....... ;)
ALSO Rams at 270MHz by booting at 201MHz, do worse than 240MHz by booting at 200MHz......
NoX,Quote:
Originally Posted by NoX
I am sorry. I had the same problem you described, then switched adaptors and all my CPU's turned out to be all right. Waiting for a new CT479.
There seems to be a lot of different PAT levels... CTIAW reports full PAT when booting at 201, but as you say, you gain even more when booting at 200.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Problem is, I need 250+ with ATI card (no lock at 200), and my board can't handle more than 240 with 200-boot. Maybe you have some advice :)
how do you raise your vdimm, by vdimm mod or booster. I have problems with ram, did anybody experiance some kind of trouble with vdimm, cause that is right now the only thing i can think of, that could be the problem.
change mobo maybe is something worng with motherboard
Hi if sTryg can update information about P4P800 VM because i'm using it @ 200 fsb 24h/7 without any crash... with a 750 @ 2606 stock vcore