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12-13-2010, 11:37 AM
cold2010

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Originally Posted by Olivon

If the HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570 why not compare it to GTX 580 ?

Settings are odd too ... 2560X1600 8AA 16AF is difficult to handle for the GTX 570 1280 MB, no tesselation, no ssao ...

I don't think reviews will tell us that HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570, but I'm not in the know, for sure ... :D

those games chosen Carefully ;) :D
12-13-2010, 11:42 AM
Shadov

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

If the HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570 why not compare it to GTX 580 ?

Settings are odd too ... 2560X1600 8AA 16AF is difficult to handle for the GTX 570 1280 MB, no tesselation, no ssao ...

I don't think reviews will tell us that HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570, but I'm not in the know, for sure ... :D

Lets wait for the final prices and then compare. Shall we? :shakes:

Im sorry but I prefer to spend my money wisely and in not easy influenced by hype.
12-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by cold2010

those games chosen Carefully ;) :D

?
border lands was heavily favored for nvidia, but amd got a huge boost
B:AA, Metro, Unigine, all sound like nvidia favord things too

but like others are saying, hopefully this means the 6970 is right around the perf of a 580
12-13-2010, 11:46 AM
Kimofil

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

?
border lands was heavily favored for nvidia, but amd got a huge boost
B:AA, Metro, Unigine, all sound like nvidia favord things too

but like others are saying, hopefully this means the 6970 is right around the perf of a 580

If 6970 on par with 580+lower price this will be very good deal!
12-13-2010, 11:47 AM
generics_user

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

If the HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570 why not compare it to GTX 580 ?

Settings are odd too ... 2560X1600 8AA 16AF is difficult to handle for the GTX 570 1280 MB, no tesselation, no ssao ...

I don't think reviews will tell us that HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570, but I'm not in the know, for sure ... :D

they compared 6870 to GTX460 1gb and 6850 to gtx 460 768 yet they were slightly faster than the 470 and faster than 460 1gb

it's part of their marketing bigger numbers = better, additionally it has some influence on reviews ("card is designed to take on 460, even faster than 470..." makes it sound better than "it can barely beat GTX470")
12-13-2010, 11:51 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by generics_user

they compared 6870 to GTX460 1gb and 6850 to gtx 460 768 yet they were slightly faster than the 470 and faster than 460 1gb

it's part of their marketing bigger numbers = better, additionally it has some influence on reviews ("card is designed to take on 460, even faster than 470..." makes it sound better than "it can barely beat GTX470")

that comparison was done before any price drops i think, so first amd says look, for the same price we win, then nvidia responds by dropping prices, then the cards actually launch and were all right around the same perf per dollar.

(if i have my history correct)
12-13-2010, 11:53 AM
Dezmen

10.12 have old catalyst style :S Driver is 8.801 and catalyst ver is 10.12
12-13-2010, 12:01 PM
Tha Last Meal

Quote:

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border lands was heavily favored for nvidia, but amd got a huge boost
B:AA, Metro, Unigine, all sound like nvidia favord things too

but like others are saying, hopefully this means the 6970 is right around the perf of a 580

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2073/82892691.jpg

yo boy amd say HD 6970 15% faster than GTX 480 on avg .... SO the Results that came out from here Talk about 25% faster than GTX 480 on avg !!! Do you understand what happened now :rolleyes:

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those games chosen Carefully

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12-13-2010, 12:05 PM
flyck

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2073/82892691.jpg

yo boy amd say HD 6970 15% faster than GTX 480 on avg .... SO the Results that came out from here Talk about 25% faster than GTX 480 on avg !!! Do you understand what happened now :rolleyes:

1+

thats why crysis is 20-25% in that graph and 30-60% in those numers.
12-13-2010, 12:08 PM
duploxxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

If the HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570 why not compare it to GTX 580 ?

Settings are odd too ... 2560X1600 8AA 16AF is difficult to handle for the GTX 570 1280 MB, no tesselation, no ssao ...

I don't think reviews will tell us that HD 6970 is 25% faster than GTX 570, but I'm not in the know, for sure ... :D

there are lots of tests done with 1920 and actually i assume those are the settings that you should play with such a card, why else buy such expensive card.
12-13-2010, 12:17 PM
Pantsu

If AMD says 6970 is 15% faster than a GTX 480 on cherry picked settings in reality it's going to be barely faster than a GTX 570. I'm afraid those who expect 580-like performance will be sorely disappointed. :shakes:

But as long as AMD gets the prices right a GTX 570 class card is enough for me. And of course for those who want more power there's always Antilles. :yepp:
12-13-2010, 12:23 PM
flyck

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

If AMD says 6970 is 15% faster than a GTX 480 on cherry picked settings in reality it's going to be barely faster than a GTX 570. I'm afraid those who expect 580-like performance will be sorely disappointed. :shakes:

But as long as AMD gets the prices right a GTX 570 class card is enough for me. And of course for those who want more power there's always Antilles. :yepp:

those benches were done by someone from MSI not by AMD. the slide is something totally else, and like most of the slides shown possibly fake.

But we will see wednesday what is right and wrong. But at least it can play crysis.
12-13-2010, 12:26 PM
d33f

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Originally Posted by Dezmen

10.12 have old catalyst style :S Driver is 8.801 and catalyst ver is 10.12

I've heard that there are 2 versions of the cat 10.12 drivers. One with the new CCC and one with the old one.

I believe you will find those two on http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=334401
12-13-2010, 12:33 PM
SKYMTL

As I said in the other thread: upcoming Catalyst versions will be released in two branches until the kinks with the new CCC are worked out.
12-13-2010, 12:35 PM
Lightman

Correction!

They are released!!

I've downloaded them 15 minutes ago from game.amd.com :)

PS. Gibbo from OCuk has hinted that HD6970 can be £100 cheaper than GTX580 on release ....
12-13-2010, 12:36 PM
neliz

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Originally Posted by flyck

those benches were done by someone from MSI not by AMD. the slide is something totally else, and like most of the slides shown possibly fake.

But we will see wednesday what is right and wrong. But at least it can play crysis.

Someone from MSI did benchmarks? I surely hope not because releasing those numbers would be a breach of NDA and have serious impact on the allocation.

here's some food for thought.

All the benchmarks you see are for the 190W TDP limited card, you can still adjust the card to 250W TDP (closer to the 580), what do you think it would do with the performance numbers?
12-13-2010, 12:36 PM
Dezmen

yeah... there are two versions CCC and CCC2... well nothing new there, almost pretty same, new design but thats all :)
12-13-2010, 12:37 PM
flyck

don't know :) Doubt it will do much. I would suppose if it is a power switch, AMD has set it so it would have reached maximum performance with least power. so maybe 5% if it is a power switch, if it would differ alot more they might not even need antilles as a dual gpu. which would be better for there money (1die instead of 2).
12-13-2010, 12:38 PM
neliz

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Originally Posted by flyck

don't know :) Doubt it will do much

No need to copy what I wrote above :)
12-13-2010, 12:39 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by neliz

here's some food for thought.

All the benchmarks you see are for the 190W TDP limited card, you can still adjust the card to 250W TDP (closer to the 580), what do you think it would do with the performance numbers?

Interesting. I really hope some reviewers dig into the OC capability of these cards. Any hints in that arena?
12-13-2010, 12:42 PM
hurrdurr

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Originally Posted by neliz

No need to copy what I wrote above :)

Adjusting the card to 250W automatically ups the clocks, or merely gives you more OC'ing headroom?
12-13-2010, 12:47 PM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

there are lots of tests done with 1920 and actually i assume those are the settings that you should play with such a card, why else buy such expensive card.

With no tesselation and no SSAO ? You kiddin' ?
12-13-2010, 12:51 PM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by neliz

All the benchmarks you see are for the 190W TDP limited card, you can still adjust the card to 250W TDP (closer to the 580), what do you think it would do with the performance numbers?

Since when does increasing the TDP limits do anything for performance? Overclocking, sure.

You are assuming that any power saving methods AMD has worked up will have an impact upon in-game performance. That would be a huge mistake on AMD's part and one I am sure has been addressed long ago.
12-13-2010, 12:57 PM
Pantsu

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

Adjusting the card to 250W automatically ups the clocks, or merely gives you more OC'ing headroom?

Having a throttle at 250W isn't going to serve OC ability at all, it's just a block. PowerTune might be nice for those who want to optimize power usage, but that's not something overclockers are known for. It might enable higher stock clocks for AMD since they don't have to worry about going over TDP, but for overclockers it means there's 0 headroom left.
12-13-2010, 12:57 PM
biohead

ROFL i just noticed the thread tags.

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