ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

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12-28-2006, 02:38 PM
pphx459

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

Firstly, 300x9 is not 3Ghz, it's 2.7Ghz :rolleyes:

and either:

1. You know not much at all

or

2. You havn't even bothered to read the thread properly

Anyway, since you're such a genius, please tell us noobs why we can get over 400fsb with tRFC changed to 42 and setfsb and yet always limited to around 360fsb in bios with manual timings, no matter vcore/multiplier etc.

Actually, here's a better riddle. Why can we boot 400fsb+ with SPD to Enable but when manually setting 5-6-6-18 we can't post above about 360-370 fsb?

I'd like to know what the answer to that would be.. yeh and don't say the board/bios since we already know that and you'd just end up contradicting yourself and looking stupid.. :toast:

oops typo, and my reference wasn't for the whole thread, just to some of the other complaints in the later posts.
12-28-2006, 02:40 PM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Not everyone is affected by that though ;)

Yes but it's still down to tRFC. If asus put more timings in the bios, no one will have the problem.. therefore it IS the board that's the blame. When was the last time you heard of someone with a badaxe/aw9d have this problem?
12-28-2006, 02:55 PM
nanoprobe32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

Firstly, 300x9 is not 3Ghz, it's 2.7Ghz :rolleyes:

and either:

1. You know not much at all

or

2. You havn't even bothered to read the thread properly

Anyway, since you're such a genius, please tell us noobs why we can get over 400fsb with tRFC changed to 42 and setfsb and yet always limited to around 360fsb in bios with manual timings, no matter vcore/multiplier etc.

Actually, here's a better riddle. Why can we boot 400fsb+ with SPD to Enable but when manually setting 5-6-6-18 we can't post above about 360-370 fsb?

I'd like to know what the answer to that would be.. yeh and don't say the board/bios since we already know that and you'd just end up contradicting yourself and looking stupid.. :toast:

i dont think trfc option is going to do you any good
i have the p5w64 WS and it has those 2 options
refresh cycle time & read delay i leave both auto
and i can boot over 400fsb only with micron memory

with elpidia i couldn't do this not matter what trfc i gave it
or read delay

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6605/memsetcq3.jpg

as you can see memset timings are the excact same as your p5w dh

i dont have any problem hitting 420 fsb 1.1 memory dont even have to touch trfc setting or read delay
12-28-2006, 02:57 PM
pr33tz

OK, I can get to 434 fsb with everything on default except vcore (1.48), pci express (105) and pci (33.3). What should I do next do try and get past the 434 fsb barrier? Also, I haven't tried setting the spd to manual because frankly I don't know what I'd be doing. What spd timings should I try?
12-28-2006, 03:05 PM
flashnc

go up on the vmch to 1.65

up the vcore to 1.525

keep an eye on temps for the cpu....its ok to run into the 60-65c area or a little higher...( using "coretemp" ) to monitor...others have run their systems higher than that on temps with no stability issues...personally i try to keep it lower than that unless just pushing for the highest clock....
12-28-2006, 03:07 PM
pr33tz

What do mch, ich and fsb voltages control? Whats a safe max vcore to try before giving up?
12-28-2006, 03:10 PM
S1mon-

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldCoot

Is anyone using a Plextor 755 SATA or Plextor 712 SATA drive with success?

Plextor's website has a fairly restrictive list of compatible motherboards with these drives and the P5W DH Deluxe isn't on the list.

If anyone is using one, which SATA port is it connected to? My ports 1 & 3 are already used up for RAID 0.

Thanks

I'm using the Plextor PX-755 SATA and it works perfectly :)
12-28-2006, 04:05 PM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanoprobe32

i dont think trfc option is going to do you any good
i have the p5w64 WS and it has those 2 options
refresh cycle time & read delay i leave both auto
and i can boot over 400fsb only with micron memory

with elpidia i couldn't do this not matter what trfc i gave it
or read delay

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6605/memsetcq3.jpg

as you can see memset timings are the excact same as your p5w dh

i dont have any problem hitting 420 fsb 1.1 memory dont even have to touch trfc setting or read delay

Well I already know that tRFC will help since I can change it with memset and go up to 465 fsb...
12-28-2006, 04:12 PM
fordf250

Quote:

Originally Posted by pphx459

From alot of the posts I just read (only sucka at work), it seriously sounds like your cpu's cannot handle 400 fsb.

I've owned a few e6600's and all their max oc is different. Some of them reached a highest of 390 while others went past 420. A few points I want to point out with these chips:

1. At their max OC (while on air/water), no matter how much voltage applied, it will not run stable.
2. If your cpu requires you to run 1.6vcore and if each increase in fsb requires you to raise the vcore then it's near it's limit.
3. If your cpu can't go past 400x9 but can hit 440x8, then it's near it's limit.
4. You can overclock these chips quite a bit using stock voltage. Of all the 6600's I owned, they all did 3.0ghz (330x9) on stock voltage. Don't be surprised if all of a sudden the next 5mhz requries you to pump a ton more voltage. You're about to hit your limit soon.

Please understand this before you start putting the blame on this board. I haven't had trouble with it since day 1, and I'm sure there are quite a few others that would agree.

Edit: Merry Xmas to all and happy new years!
Edit: correcting typo.

I would like to thank you for this post. I get the same as you, I have 1 e6400 that will run 445fsb no prob at around 1.6V on water, 425 at 1.4V 435 at 1.55V and 445 at1.6Vm, they ramp up quick. I also have an e6600 that will not run over 400fsb on the same board at any vcore.My memory at 400 will run 1:1 at 4-4-4-12 2.25V and mch 1.65 or 4:5 (500mhz) at 2.35V and 1.75mch both turbo no hp3.This mb is one of the better mb I have owned and I think most peoples problems are with there cpu also.
12-28-2006, 04:16 PM
Thasp

Are you allowed to put 1.6v into an e6400/e6600 without instantly killing it?

My radiator is in the window, with three fans intaking the 25F-35F outside air. At 1.55v, if I turn my pump speed up I get 40c coretemp with prime95.. I'd love to try and see what more it can do.
12-28-2006, 04:19 PM
lawrywild

OK... so why did some people buy some teamgroup d9 and could boot over 400fsb.. same cpu yet without the D9 they couldn't post over about 360-370 like me..? It's tRFC..
12-28-2006, 04:25 PM
fordf250

Trcf? Is that the 5th number that cpuz shows for memory timmings?It changes when I change the ram speed.16-22.
Also my ram will not even post if set to spd at 400fsb or any timmings other than 4-4-4-12.
12-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Brian y.

Quick question......
My E6600 runs rock stable at 400x9 w/ my ram(Corsair 8500)@ 4-4-4-12 timings.This is with my v-core @ 1.53.My highest bench OC is at 445x9 w/ my ram at 2.2v. in a 1/1 ratio @5-6-6-18. I can get into windows up to 465...but not able to bench.I have been able to get mt ram up to 500MHz with the 5-6-6-18 timings and the multi at x8. Why is that I can not go past 400 FSB when my my CPU is at a x8 multi no matter how high I up my v-core?(This includes when I set the ram ratio to 1/1 to run with the x8 multi)
12-28-2006, 04:52 PM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordf250

Trcf? Is that the 5th number that cpuz shows for memory timmings?It changes when I change the ram speed.16-22.
Also my ram will not even post if set to spd at 400fsb or any timmings other than 4-4-4-12.

No, that would be Trc
12-28-2006, 06:15 PM
Unbornchild

Quote:

Originally Posted by pphx459

There's a difference between maximum and preferred. Heck, it's your chip, nothing we can really say. :)

You are absolutely right.

I was talking about the T-junction, explained here: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...owitworks.html
and it is CoreTemp that i used, next to the IntelThermalAnalysisTool tat.exe
From the Intel sheet that i still haven't found yet i read the 6600's T-junction = 82° C
That is what i monitored during Orthos stresstest, 9 hours @ 3.6 Ghz without error i find sufficient. Higher clocked, i got alarms from CoreTemp, and TAT reported CPU 0 = 79 ~ 81 / CPU 1 = 80 ~82 (the limit). But at 3.6 Ghz also CPU1 stays just below the 82° C limit. Well, Orthos is 100% CPU-load. Not many games put a 100% load on the Core2Duo 6600, as you may know. ;)

Idle temp of my 6600 while i'm typing now is 45° C. <<<[EDIT: this time i mean the Asus Probe temp. And during gaming (Dark Messiah of Might and Magic) the top temperature is 58° C AsusProbe temp. Hmm... you see: the Zalman is doing a great job. ;)]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX

Get your self a Sycthe Kama Bay Cooler, and Lap your C2D so you can stay int he 70 range.

I wanted the Tuniq Tower, but it was too hard to get a hand on one. So i took the Zalman CNPS9500, as it had very good test reviews.
Besides the Zalman cpu cooler i have a Cross Flow Fan blowing over the motherboard in my fine Cooler Master Stacker.

A question, Lord AnthraX. Are you saying that lapping the cpu could gain me 10° C??? If it's true, i'll seriously consider lapping!
12-28-2006, 08:31 PM
patrickadizzle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unbornchild

You are absolutely right. A question, Lord AnthraX. Are you saying that lapping the cpu could gain me 10° C??? If it's true, i'll seriously consider lapping!

I'm guessing the Kama Bay Cooler could lower temps a little bit, as it would push more air through the exhaust and help out the 9500 as that's what it was designed for. Dual kama bays could make a significant change if your wires don't clog up the 3.5" bays.

And I believe lapping the CPU will give you a 3-6 decrease:) Although dont quote me on that ;) Ask someone thats done it :stick:
12-28-2006, 09:35 PM
Luis_GT

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

Yes but it's still down to tRFC. If asus put more timings in the bios, no one will have the problem.. therefore it IS the board that's the blame. When was the last time you heard of someone with a badaxe/aw9d have this problem?

I know, I know, I'm just saying that I can run up to 899mhz 3-3-3-4 before it won't post... Asus Really needs to give us those timings.
12-28-2006, 11:06 PM
patrickadizzle

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ntitledvp8.jpg

Code:

BIOS 1407 BIOS SETTINGS JumperFree Configuration AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL CPU Frequency : 443 FSB DRAMM Frequency :884 MHz Performance Mode : Standard PCI Express Frequency : 111Mhz PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz Memory Voltage : 2.40V CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.6725v FSB Termination V : 1.50v MCH Chipset V : 1.85V ICH Chipset V : 1.20v -------------------------------------------------------- CPU Configuration ****Default CPU Ratio : Disabled ****Ratio CMOS Setting: [9] Microcode Update : Enabled Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled Execute Disable Function : Disabled CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled Virtualization Technology : Enabled Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled -------------------------------------------------------- *Advanced Chipset Settings *Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : Disabled *DRAM CAS Latency : 5 *DRAM RAS Precharge :4 *DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4 *DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 16 *DRAM Write Recovery Time :4 Hyper Path 3 : Disabled DRAM Throttling : Disabled

Yeah.

Im trying to get to 4GHz.

I am pumping ALOT of vcore into this baby. I can go 1.7 And have alright temps. Im freezing my ass off right now. Stock voltage it idles at 6C.

Any way. I used clock gen to go to 4.0 GHz. And I did 1m and It finished but 14 seconds. I guess it needs even more voltage. I might go 1.7 when my tuniq comes here.

After I get a benchable 4.0GHz Im going to get 8+ hours orthos at 3.6 :)

Oh btw BIOS 1407 have been good for me. No problems here.
12-28-2006, 11:07 PM
patrickadizzle

oops sorry :( double post.
12-28-2006, 11:18 PM
2BIG4U

Asus P5W DH Deluxe BIOS 1707
E6600
Tuniq Tower 120
G.SKILL HZ 2GB 6400
WD 250GB Sata 16mb
ATI 1950XT
Zalman VF900
Antec P180 Silver

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1...0024qh0.th.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7...0025gs2.th.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...0026pz7.th.jpg

I can`t change the fsb? what is wrong? Maybe i should change some jumpers or something like that? Couse i just put all parts together, updated bios and changed a few settings in bios. What should be the settings of the bios for E6600? can anybody do the favour? Write (or make screenshots) bios setting from the from beginning to end? help please.
12-28-2006, 11:21 PM
patrickadizzle

2BIG4U type a number when you highlight the FSB :)
12-28-2006, 11:30 PM
2BIG4U

ok. i will try. tell me what voltages should be?
12-29-2006, 08:14 AM
nickfd

Hey all, sorry, I got busy after I posted my results and questions yesterday with finding a Wiiiiiiiii, and ended up playing it to the wiii hours of the morning :p:

Thanks for all your feedback regarding the wall I ran into. When i get my new NB cooler, I'll examine the bottom of my cpu waterblock and lap if necessary, lap the new NB if necessary, and reapply as5 everywhere. When I'm pushing load at 1.61v required for me to be stable at 8x440, my cores on CoreTemp are in the 70s.. I think it should be cooler for my water setup.

@Unbornchild - I'll try and run my 3dmark with my best settings and get the CPU score out of it for ya. I know the overall with 8x440 1:1 4-4-4-12 42-7 I got a total score of 11220. Screenshot will come after I get my zelda wii fix for a few hours (later tonight) :)

Happy Friday and hope everyone enjoys your day!
12-29-2006, 08:39 AM
FabricioGS

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

That's because you have a week 23, your results look the same as my week 24... except I need more volts to reach 3.4ghz than you

lawrywild, how much vcore do you need to 3.2GHz? Are you using this setup 24x7?
12-29-2006, 09:59 AM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper.Br

lawrywild, how much vcore do you need to 3.2GHz? Are you using this setup 24x7?

1.4v real :(

and yeh, course

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