AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

it's quite all right. and actually, that opn for the 3700+ mobile is still technically wrong. i don't know what it will be, due to the fact that amd is mixing up the OPN's for the new cores a bit. i would suspect something like:

AMN3700B*5BN

star cause i don't know voltage. i'm suspecting 1.35 or 1.3, but if the opn stays consistant with venice/san diego, i have no idea.. mostly because they're too lazy and still haven't updated the tech docs since last year.

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AMN3700BIX5AR = 62W <--- Not going to see that one.
Actually, I meant this to be a hypothetical 130nm which I don’t' see how it could be "economically" feasible as the 90nm parts were announced. I have no idea what the 90nm OPN numbers will look like but your guess is logical. :) I wonder if they fired the guy who updated the Tech docs. :confused:

ozzimark: I special ordered the heatsinks for a 1U dual Opteron server. They're made of copper and are screwed into the board (no clips or mech.). I'll check it out this weekend.

The parts database is one maintained for resellers and usually show parts for products about a month before they become available. Sometimes even earlier.

The Opteron heatsinks should work if they screw in. Just be careful. With these small 90nm dies especially, it's easy to chip the core during heatsink installation. If you can, use some foam pads like on the AthlonXPs. This will help stabilize the heatsink while you're installing it. The risk of chipping the core with bolt on heatsinks is much less than clip on ones if you're careful, but I'd still recommend using pads. For a $250+ investment, you can never be too careful. Tighten screws alternatively, doing a turn for one, then the other, back and forth.

I really don't know how much success you'll have with the ASUS boards. Give it a try though and let us know if they work. Make sure you've updated to the most recent BIOS before installing the Turion. Also, it may help to "force" settings in the BIOS. By this I mean boot up with another A64 and set the BIOS to the appropriate voltage, speed, etc. for Turion, save to CMOS, then install the Turion. Also keep in mind that with a new revision comes a new memory controller. I had a heck of a time getting my Oakville to work in my board when I first got it. Turns out that the D0 memory controller didn't like having the RAM in slot 1, although this wasn't a problem for my desktop Newcastle. So as a last resort you may try switching the memory around, as they can be picky about module placement.

Good luck. I should hopefully have an MT-34 late next week, and will let everyone know if the DFI board is compatible with it.

AMD Turion 64 MT-30 1.6Ghz, 1MB $189
that one excites me as well as
the 3700+ mobile 90nm

no word on release dates.....? anyways that 1.6 with 8x excites me aswell, i've tested and KNOW my mobo will do 400 fsb stable so 8 * 400 = 3200mhz and that SHOULD kill most pentiums out there...right?

but tha's IF the chip will do it

Hi Vandi423,
do you have any more Turions available & do you know how much they will cost roughly?

Cheers for all the help round the forums, it's appreciated for sure.

Rabb

hmm that 8x multi might be a bit low, unless your on air/water

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Originally Posted by reject

hmm that 8x multi might be a bit low, unless your on air/water

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I agree... personally I dont see anything lower than 9x being worth it... especially if these actually clock well

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

it's quite all right. and actually, that opn for the 3700+ mobile is still technically wrong. i don't know what it will be, due to the fact that amd is mixing up the OPN's for the new cores a bit. i would suspect something like:

AMN3700B*5BN

star cause i don't know voltage. i'm suspecting 1.35 or 1.3, but if the opn stays consistant with venice/san diego, i have no idea.. mostly because they're too lazy and still haven't updated the tech docs since last year.

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They were called DTR chips in one of the articles so it should be the same as the rest of the 90nm - 1.4v. OPN might be: AMA3700BIX5BN

PM Rabbi_NZ

I just checked out my K8VSEs and the Heatsinks that I have and yes some of them will work. The question is how much weight can they take. What is everyone using with their naked A64s and how much do they weigh? I don't think I am going to test the Turion out unless I have no choice. I'll leave that to the experts! Plus the K8V SE sucks at OCing I'd have to get a DFI and some new RAM.

wicked: i call your attention to the processor pricing chart. you'll note that in this one, there is a 3700+ listed in the mobile category.
then if you look at this older one there is only a 3700+ listed for Desktop and DTR. the new cpu is indeed a true mobile part, not the DTR mobile. ;)


edit- vandi: i have a zalman cnps-7000-cu on my lidless 3200+ clawhammer.

Recommended heatsinks for neked chips:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=140905
Where is your connection getting all of these Turions, Vandi?

Nice find, ozz. ;) I was going by the article...

Well then going by the Sempron mobiles, it should indeed be "IX" = AMN3700BIX5BN, but still be @ 1.4v. AMD could get fancy and give it it's own core revision though, which means the last two letters would change. Craziness.

ya, but IX is 1.4v and 95ºc.. all 90nm chips are rated for 1.4v anyway (IK, K being 65c)
also, if you've taken a close look at the new venice/san diego cores that i think this 3700+ is based off of, instead of it being BIK, it's.. AA :confused:
either way, we'll find out what's really going on when someone manages to get ahold of one.

Doh, I thought those were the 90nm Semprons...

Anyway, the mobiles still seem to follow the same scheme. Take a look at the 90nm Oakville: AMD2800BKX4LB
AMD=(35w) B=(754lidless) K=(1.35v) X=(max die 95°)

Also Mobile Sempron is
LA=(Low Power Mobile Rev CG B3)
Oakville
LB=(Low Power Mobile Rev D0???)
Mobile 3700+
LC=(Low Power Mobile Rev E3???)

So maybe it will be AMN3700BIX5LC? Good luck to anyone looking for one. ;)

I'm guessing LC is for the 512kb rev. E's (Venice or E3), and, of course, LD is for the 1mb rev. E's (San Diego or E4).

P.S. Turion ETA: Wednesday. :banana:

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Originally Posted by WiCKeD

Recommended heatsinks for neked chips:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=140905
Where is your connection getting all of these Turions, Vandi?

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Thank you WiCKeD! Just trying to get a feel of what has been tested and proven. I do a little here and there but mostly with Opterons. So I have contacts with various distributors and a few at AMD. When I first heard about Turion I thought it would be a great chip to make a Dead Silent Desktop. Eventually I plan to evolve it enough to get it in my car. But I don't have enough time to work on it right now. I'll probably won't start till the summer.

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Thank you ozzimark!

The cnps-7000-cu comes in at 773g according to Zalman.

The heatsinks that I have are 572g and 630g each. So I should be good when I do my silent system. Of course it is still up to me not to crack the core.

vandi, just don't go bumping the case around. it'll be fine ;)
edit: if it's gonna be in the car.. hm, that might be a bit heavy :(


wicked, a K for the voltage means 1.35v ;)
also, it'll have 1mb of cache, so it's gonne be E4

If it had 1MB cache, wouldn't the 4 in "AMD2800BKX4LB" be a 5?

yes
i think i will be the first real person not a reviewer using -40c cooling on this cpu... hope they are released soon

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=AMD64
will these guys ship to me?

Your link is to a 939 Diego. I know it's essentially the same core as the Turion, but I think you may have posted the link in the wrong thread. :)

Turion Motherboard

My first bit of evidence is here:

AOpen Turion Motherboard

From what I read in the DFI Forums I noticed that AMD told them not to support mobile products. And somewhere else I noticed that AMD is not releasing technical information of mobile products to desktop motherboard manufacturers. So the bottom line is that it is very unlikely that motherboard manufacturers will "officially" support Turion on Desktop motherboards. By "officially", I mean it is not likely that you will see a Turion logo next to a desktop motherboard product.

My second bit of evidence:

New AOpen BIOS

"Updated microcode to support Mobile socket 754 CPU." 4/14/2005
Click to Download and you will see: Released Date 4/15/2005

The pricelist showing Turions came to me at 8pm PST 4/14/05
I had them sent to me on 4/15/05

Coincidence? I think not.

Notice how AOpen does not formally support Turions. The reason for this is that Turion is --> "AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology " - Not Desktop.

In German

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Originally Posted by reject

yes
i think i will be the first real person not a reviewer using -40c cooling on this cpu... hope they are released soon

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Can't wait for your results!

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Originally Posted by Vandi423

Coincidence? I think not.

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too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though :confused:

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though :confused:

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The only way to know for sure is to add a Turion to a DFI board with that latest BIOS.

Which I plan to do in a few days. :D

Already have the 4/15 beta flashed, just waiting for a Turion to test it out with.