Jumping from one subject to another. :D
I have been soaking my brand new Thermochill PA 120.2 for 3x 6hours but the vingar that comes out is still murky.
How many times do i have to repeat the soaking process?
I'm afraid the vinegar will never come out cristalclear, or am i being a little impatient?
This is what the vinegar looked like aftre the first 6 hour soak:
just make sure its white vinegar, not red cane vinegar... (joke)
shaking vigoriously, rinse with distilled water and repeat somemore...
Lol.
Yeah after the 3rd 24hour soak the vinegar came out rather clear.
I'm using the vinegar straight out of the bottle is that ok or do i have to mix it with distilled water?
I have to redo the whole process since the rad had a small leak. :(
I returned it and have to wait for a new one to show up.
oh tough luck with that leak, well at least now you know what it would looks like after several vinegar baths.
the next time i am finish with vinegar and distilled rinse, i'll leave a clean batch of distilled in it and plug it with some G3/8 plugs i got from cool technica's
Yeah, that's my luck. :mad:
I was wondering if the vinegar could have eaten some of the solder perhaps hence the leak?
I'm using the vinegar straight out of the bottle, that's how you guys do it too right?
I discovered the leak after the last vinegar soak, on the backside there were some greenish stains on the fin area, right on the edge and the fins were a little wet at that spot.
But leaving the rad filled with distilled water like you suggested might be a good idea.
vinegar out of the bottle probably would not cause that, else we'd already have read about it. maybe a minor leak/pin:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: that you could solder/iron yourself?
Nah, no soldering here. :nono:
Besides, it was right at the edge, under the "shroud" part, don't know how else to put it, the part where one mounts the fans onto.
Didn't want to mess with that, i payed €75,- for a rad, for that kind of money i expect a proper watertight rad.
I returned it, the dowside is that i'm gonna have to wait and do the soaking part over again.
Oh well...
yah, oh well lets hope it comes back soon...
Alright I'm upgrading my system.. ok well actually I'm modding an existing EXOS system...no, not the entire WC system (which for me is mostly 1/2" ID, except for the AquaTube)... I'm just going to change the EXOS to be 1/2" ID internally. By default, the EXOS is 1/4" OD. The only part of the EXOS I'm keeping is the case, because I like it. That's a very important reason. But after using the EXOS for about one or two years (?), I'm ready to add a good bit of performance to my "mobile" system.
Pump. There isn't much space in the EXOS available for placing a pump. Taking up too much space would mean a smaller radiator / heater core. I'll say the maximum optimal dimensions of a pump would be 4 7/32 x 5 1/2 x 2 5/32 [in].. which is approximately 4.218 x 5.5 x 2.156 [in]. Which means the Iwaki MD20RZT you recommended would be definitely out of the question it would appear. The Blue-something pump also seems too big, as are other pumps such as the MCP 665 Swiftech, Eheim 1250, &c. Those would be the "slick" dimensions.. I might be able to expand the 4 7/32 [in] dimension a bit more.. the absolute wall is at 7 1/4 [in]... but that might require even more modding. Ok. So you recommended the DDC-2... I looked up the specs: 7.57 L/min, 6.1m.... However, you recommended a pair of them, but you didn't specify whether to configure them to be in series or in parallel. From reading your article, you seem to put a lot of emphasis on head, so I'd guess you want to increase head as opposed to flow rate, leading me to conclude you'd recommend a pair of DDC-2's in series. The thing that troubles me however, is that this pump is for 3/8".. you'd need 4 conversions... Maybe you could skimp on two of them by making the pipes extra tight, who knows. But would that kill performance? Before I read your article, I was considering buying just one DD Mag II LE.. It has a 2.5m head and a flow rate of 9.45 L/min... max of 3.5 psi. A quick note.. currently the system consists of 2x Koolance R-PMP01's, which provide a stunning 1 L/min. The ambient temperature (I like working in the basement in the cold of winter) is 13*C/55*F, just the way I like it (cold builds character). My computer at full load (1 instance of F@H and 1 instance of Prime95 looking for the next prime number -- not torture tests or anything of that sort) brings the CPU to 41*C, PWM to 42*C, Case to 26*C (MBM figures), and Case to 27*C (External probe). Idle temperatures for CPU is 34*C, for PWM is 39*C, for Case is 26*C/27*C (MBM/Probe). I'm hoping for better stats with this big mod.
Radiator / Heater Core. The existing radiator is Al with dimensions 11.7 x 6.1 x 0.98 [in], with virtually exactly the amount of area needed to optimally mount 3x 80mm's with special shims which is how the EXOS works (3x 80mm fans).. but more visually easier to understand, its the area covered by 2x 120mm fans. Okay. This is a 1/4" ID radiator. I want a 1/2" ID radiator / heater core. You made the recommendation of a 2-302 '77 Bonneville w/ AC or alternatively, a 2-199 '77 Bonneville w/o AC. I'm trying to look up dimensions for this thing. I can't seem to find any that give full details. Would you happen to know the "real length" for this thing? And the height of the barbs? (I suppose you could twist the barbs into a different angle...) The alternative I was considering originally was the Stealth GTS 240 BlackIce... Though it's quite expensive.. I suppose not by itself per-se, but I'm also manufacturing a custom Al case with quick disconnects for 1/2" ID pipes and all.. so I'd like to save a bit if possible. Which would you recommend then? Prolly go with the heater core unless it's too big? I hope the thickness is okay.. I don't have much clearance in there (a theoretical max of 1 17/32 [in] ~ 1.531 [in]... of couse the theoretical max is meaningless, since it would imply the object is thick enough to block off all air flow. The original radiator inside the EXOS is 0.98 [in], just as an idea. Would the Bonneville heater core work then?
Thanks a lot in advance, to MaxxxRacer and to everyone else. Any input is much appreciated.
Need some help on my watercooling build. I have the following components
Basically I have these questions:Quote:
Laing D5 (1/2" barb)
Black Ice Extreme Radiator 240 (1/2" barb)
Alphacool NexXxoS XP Bold Sockel 775 (yeah I know best one I could find in stock :() (1/2" barb)
Repack Cooling Slot In Black (1/2" barb)
1) How much do I tighten the barbs on the components?
2) When putting the tubing over the barbs where do I place the clamp on teh barb (
clamp = <
barb = =
component = |
right at the end of it <===| or at the beginning ===<| -crude but hope you see my point-)?
3) How tight do I tighten the clamps?
Thanks if you guys can help me!
Just FYI I have already attempted at building but my pump failed and I had some leakage from it.
EDIT - made a forum post here
Followed your guide for rad cleaning maxx and couldn't believe the crap that came out :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...10/cooking.jpg
Try alcohol...there won't be a risk of anything getting eaten.
Looks like solder flux...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ic3man
February 8, 2007
Today I updated the guide with alternative radiator cleaning procedures and lowered the vinegar soak times due to the fact that vinegar (acetic acid) can and will eat away at copper/brass. With the 5% solutions we use, the speed at which it does so is very slow, but the risk is still there if extended soak times are used.
My most sincere appoligies to anyone who has suffered hardware loss due to the misinformation provided in the guide. While I try to ensure all information in the guide is accurate, sometimes I unwittingly present incorrect information
Cheers,
MaxxxRacer
I am not insinuating he did this deliberatly, just busting his stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
He apologized for what he sees as an error and in sorts it is, though not intentional, but it is up to each one of use to really explore things on our own.
WOoHOO!
:slapass: for misleading us, you were a bad bad bad boy!:cord:
MaxxxRacer,
You did not mislead anybody. Its up to everybody to do their own due diligence. Those who follow blindly without thinking get what comes to them.
Caveat Emptor.
The sheep need guidance. The more guided sheep the more R&D money there is for watercooling, which in turn means better products.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
LOL where did you get the "sheep" from? I thought that was IanY's signature phrase:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
you know.. the sheep mentality.. if one guy does it, we all must do it.
What I mean is this: the more people there are purchasing quality watercooling equipment, the larger the budget of these small companies will have for future ventures and R&D.
I just used that sh*t to clean my radiator. Great.
Is this damage by vinager widespread, or only reported in a few cases?
I don't get it...
You mean to tell me, in this forum, the place where people argue about 1-2 degree variations, concaves and convex of blocks, tube ID and OD, pumps, coolants, resevoirs, etc.. etc........NOBODY noticed that the the "HOW TO" thread might have contained information that could possibly damage/destroy a radiator?
Good job, everybody. L-M-A-O :D
Shane, I know of only one case of suspected radiator death from vinegar, but that was with multiple 24hour soaks..
previously the guide had suggested 6-8hours which, to my knowledge has not destroyed any components.
I would also like to point out that the reaction between vinegar and copper/brass is a slow one when no catalyst is present.
No one noticed the error because it was something that not many know about. Infact I consulted a Phd in Chemistry on the subject prior to putting the information in the guide.
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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
For the record, I don't hold any ill-will towards you, Maxxx. Without your guide, I'd be lost in space with regards to watercooling.
I'm just worried that I messed up my new radiator. Is there any way for me to check for leaks before putting it in my loop? I filled it with water and didn't noticed any leaks, but at the same time, when I shook the radiator, it did seem like a little water came out in the back. :(
I did 3 soaks, 2 for about 10 hours, and 1 for a little while longer. I did this because I had too. I simply wasn't at home to empty it out (my job doesn't allow for normal hours too often). I was just under the impression that vinager couldn't damage a radiator....now I'm worried I just borked my new rad.
MaxxRacer how much vinegar/isopropyl alcohol/Kanco system pre-clean do you suggest we get with the revised cleaning procedure?
The problem was that people assumed that because you used vinegar, the longer the soak the cleaner. Hence the "I soaked my rad in vinegar for 2 weeks!!!". I remember someone's heatercore got eaten through. I think repeated rinses/flushes are more important than soaks, just to point that out as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer