Geez guys why is anyone busting on Bigtoe. If you go back and read NS's first post he was over the line. I thought Bigtoe showed great restraint. Anyway thanks to OCZ for another great product. You guys rock
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Geez guys why is anyone busting on Bigtoe. If you go back and read NS's first post he was over the line. I thought Bigtoe showed great restraint. Anyway thanks to OCZ for another great product. You guys rock
I wouldnt say he was over the line, he just tripped and fumbled the ball.. ;)
Guys............guys..............Take it easy...........This company(OCZ) manufactured something for us overclockers and they spend a lot of their time so as to design and to put it together.............Who else did that???........I see that this is a great help for us "crazy" overclockers.........I manufacture myself (Radio and TV transmiters) and I know how DIFFICULT is to design something from the begining and to test it - redesign and retest it all over again and so on , so as to be ready for the public.....
It's not easy.........and it's NOT a ram module which is similar with the others........It's a BRAND NEW DESIGN........
ALSO they didn't design it and test it so as to give it to as that quick.......They retesting it again and again so as to be sure IF it's OK and ready or not for the public..... ;)
Try to be pattient and see what they'll do........
I think that OCZ makes a step ahead because they "think" about us........WHY no other company did something else except of starting a "war" about "how fast is my ram module - I beat you all" , "I can do 275MHz with only 2.8Vdimm" (didn't mention the timmings for the 275MHz though - Cas 7 - 16 - 16 - 32) :D
So in my opinion we have to wait and see what will happen...... ;) :toast:
Looks like a great product :slobber:
When can we expect the product in Europe?
SHI(F)T...........I have read the whole thread carefully(about 1.5 hours now -shi(f)t)........ns_ripper
...........You now(or have read) a lot theory BUT you are WRONG - as for me.........I'm sorry to say that BUT you are wrong........shi(f)t.........The bits passing through lines and internal Mos-Fets are NOT passing through capassitors(charging-uncharging) as you give your examples.......They pass through the Mos-fets which are "switchers" ON and OFF......So there is a perfect FLAT LINE bit at the end.........In worst cases that flat line has some "spikes" on it from "external" or "internal" reasons............Shi(f)t........and IF you want to show you some testing equipments of mine ,I'd be delightful (HP(Hewlett-Packard)-Tektronix-Marconi-Advantest-Philips-Hameg-e.t.c.)....I can't read those things any more .......I'm sorry I can't handle myshelf when I read things like that....... :eek:
..........and PLEASE guys when you read a manual,you'd better read it from the begeining till the end........ ;)
........at stress conditions(page 95).......Thank you........
Bigtoe send this man (hipro5) one of these modules to test :D
even a preproduction sample...
i am sure we will see amazing things ;)
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Unfortunatelly bigtoe keeps "holding" hard feelings about me , so.......Quote:
Originally posted by brwmogazos
Bigtoe send this man (hipro5) one of these modules to test :D
even a preproduction sample...
i am sure we will see amazing things ;)
Ãéùñãï êåñÃ:banana:áò ìðõñåò áÃ:banana: óïõ'ñ8åé...
Well.
VDDIO covers the Ram VDD which jedec quotes as 2.6v so my absolute max of 2.9V holds true.
VTT cpu is allowed to hit Vref(ram)+0.3V so this means to me 1.5V VTT+0.3V max for 1.8V VTT CPU max.
VLDT is allowed to be overvolted by 0.3V max which holds true on the VNF3 250 with 1.9V chipset voltage = VLDT.
So nothing to me altered from what i posted earlier on except for VTT CPU which I reported at 1.65V max but does seem to be 1.8V max.
Thanks for the help Hipro5 :)
no, in all respect, the ram chips themselfs are slightly capacitive. ns_ripper is correct about those peaks. i think corsair had a demonstration once it should still be on their website.Quote:
Originally posted by hipro5
SHI(F)T...........I have read the whole thread carefully(about 1.5 hours now -shi(f)t)........ns_ripper
...........You now(or have read) a lot theory BUT you are WRONG - as for me.........I'm sorry to say that BUT you are wrong........shi(f)t.........The bits passing through lines and internal Mos-Fets are NOT passing through capassitors(charging-uncharging) as you give your examples.......They pass through the Mos-fets which are "switchers" ON and OFF......So there is a perfect FLAT LINE bit at the end.........In worst cases that flat line has some "spikes" on it from "external" or "internal" reasons............Shi(f)t........and IF you want to show you some testing equipments of mine ,I'd be delightful (HP(Hewlett-Packard)-Tektronix-Marconi-Advantest-Philips-Hameg-e.t.c.)....I can't read those things any more .......I'm sorry I can't handle myshelf when I read things like that....... :eek:
Everything in electronics have their capacitence.......Everything........but we are talking about 1 and 0 ....on and off....Not 1.12 and 0.04 or 0.97 and -0.1.....1 and 0...... :)Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
no, in all respect, the ram chips themselfs are slightly capacitive. ns_ripper is correct about those peaks. i think corsair had a demonstration once it should still be on their website.
I have no hard feeling m8...so please stop thinking i do.Quote:
Originally posted by hipro5
Unfortunatelly bigtoe keeps "holding" hard feelings about me , so.......
As a moderator of a forum I asked you to do something that members had requested..nothing more.
I'm talking about "Hawk's fiasco"......Nothing more , nothing less.....Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
I have no hard feeling m8...so please stop thinking i do.
As a moderator of a forum I asked you to do something that members had requested..nothing more.
That was a bios m8...seen the same with the MSI letting you set 2-2-2-5 at 270fsb when in reality your running 3-4-4-8.Quote:
Originally posted by hipro5
I'm talking about "Hawk's fiasco"......Nothing more , nothing less.....
I also have the bios Hawk was using...hole in the fsb range from 165 to 199 although Hawks board was a very early sample that ran above 166 where the others crashed.It however was NOT running the speed he was setting in bios...this again has happened on the MSI etc.
So..lets drop it...i know you were partially right but Hawk was not a scammer, the bios and board was the scam not the user.Remember he had a preproduction board which may act differently with different bios files.
OCZ does it again! I'll be gulping one down for you gents tonight :D
I can finally breathe new life into my aging 845PE system that my BH5 couldn't help due to lack of voltage.
Keep up the good work!
OK.......Let's give an end here..........Don't want to remember.... :)Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
That was a bios m8...seen the same with the MSI letting you set 2-2-2-5 at 270fsb when in reality your running 3-4-4-8.
I also have the bios Hawk was using...hole in the fsb range from 165 to 199 although Hawks board was a very early sample that ran above 166 where the others crashed.It however was NOT running the speed he was setting in bios...this again has happened on the MSI etc.
So..lets drop it...i know you were partially right but Hawk was not a scammer, the bios and board was the scam not the user.Remember he had a preproduction board which may act differently with different bios files.
ns_ripper was talking about the SMD capacitors on the traces which are there to eliminate/smooth ripple and help remove trace interferrance.Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
no, in all respect, the ram chips themselfs are slightly capacitive. ns_ripper is correct about those peaks. i think corsair had a demonstration once it should still be on their website.
Hipro is correct, mosfets (look up p and n mosfets on google ;) ) are what are producing the signal, and they do it very well, else your CPU would not function.
QUOTE]Originally posted by STEvil
ns_ripper was talking about the SMD capacitors on the traces which are there to eliminate/smooth ripple and help remove trace interferrance.
Hipro is correct, mosfets (look up p and n mosfets on google ;) ) are what are producing the signal, and they do it very well, else your CPU would not function. [/QUOTE]
mustave mis-understood his post then... happens with me sometimes, but iirc, the "peaks" that ns_ripper posted are correct. the ram chip itself is resistive and slightly capacitive so it takes a while for the signal to switch from on and off. its not straight ON right away, theirs a curve. when it goes to off, because the chips is capacitive, it does not go OFF right away, hence another curve. increasing voltage overcomes this.
or am i totally wrong? :D
ps, hipro5 m8, hows the mod going ;) :p:
cheers enzor
:toast:
wrong, yet correct.
Let me explain it to you this way: If you have insufficient current/voltage you get bad data due the "curving" of the signal.
A good example is fans. They require a startup voltage to even start spinning.. after that they dont take quite as much. Due to trace capacitance and other items this is pretty well evened out by the time it hits the chips and the chips, due to being based on mosfets built on a .09 to .15 micron build process rather than the normal 1-5mm accross you are used to seeing can handle the voltage, capacitance, etc with ease.. at default.
When you overclock or change nominal values its always a crapshoot.. :D
Any word on the A64's, whats the max vdimm some of you A64 users are running? Maybe I'll get both at the same time.
I dont think vdimm has to do with them dieing..
A64 death thread in the AMD section has a few people saying 3.3 - 3.6 for 24/7 so it is beginning to lean more towards VBT as the cause of death.
:DQuote:
Originally posted by enzoR
ps, hipro5 m8, hows the mod going ;) :p:
cheers enzor
:toast: [/B]
It's ready..... :D :toast:
BUT we have to put heatsinks on the Vmem Mos-Fets from now on.....They are getting too hot...like the AGP ones...We can now feed our rams up to 4.8Vmem(Vdimm).....I'll get a digicam and I'll post..That was TOO easy M8.....One leg lifted up and ....there you go.....5Volts.... ;) :) :toast:
ohhohoho!!! :banana: :banana:
so the +3.3v standby voltage was not a problem? and no need for diodes :banana: :D
Well......Look at what I've said a long time ago about AMD dieing..... ;)Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
I dont think vdimm has to do with them dieing..
A64 death thread in the AMD section has a few people saying 3.3 - 3.6 for 24/7 so it is beginning to lean more towards VBT as the cause of death.
That's what was said by me at 08-19-2002...This S.N.D.S. will very SOON be S.A.D.S.(Sudden AMD Death Syndrome) as well and YOU WILL SEE IT....
C O R E C T :D :banana:Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
ohhohoho!!! :banana: :banana:
so the +3.3v standby voltage was not a problem? and no need for diodes :banana: :D