Amd Officially Benches Bulldozer

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09-22-2011, 10:37 AM
massman

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

you think well see a few take the lhe jump also?

Affirmative :up:

It pretty much comes down to whether or not Bulldozer will be competitive at the highest clock. If, let's say 7.5G LN2 BD is the fastest benching platform for some 3D tests; 8G LHe BD would give you a very nice edge over your competition. Then it all comes down to finding a good deal, which is similar to how it is on LN2. Some pay upto 7€/l, some pay as low as 0.3€/l.

The quantities you need for LHe are a bit higher, though. 500L would be enough for a few decent runs; but that's already 2500€ on cooling. Maybe when Giga or Asus start playing 'who has the biggest' they'll get on the LHe train :D
09-22-2011, 11:36 AM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

you think well see a few take the lhe jump also?

I have try find what can cost LHE, the problem is for the container, transport and the re-use... there's a big process for empty container before be filled again.. this cost surely too much... Dunno if a lot of peoples will put 1500-2000$ on a "suicide run"..
09-22-2011, 12:46 PM
-Boris-

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

I recall the 486DX2-66mhz being an Intel chip. It was my first PC, having converted from Apple so I could play DOOM. :) Overclocked the sucker to 100mhz as well!

AMD made them too. AMD made DX2s all the way up to 120MHz.
09-22-2011, 01:29 PM
villa1n

Are there interlagos benches out there, haven't seen any and they are in channel now no?
09-22-2011, 01:53 PM
god_43

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Are there interlagos benches out there, haven't seen any and they are in channel now no?

i have been wondering that for the past 5 days as well....if they have shipped someone would have leaked benches already??? i am beginning to think BD is a bunch of smoke and mirror's.
09-22-2011, 02:43 PM
EniGmA1987

It is "shipping" but really it is just to places like Cray. Not actual retailers and all that. I thought it was actually shipping too but apparently it releases on the 26th
09-22-2011, 02:51 PM
muziqaz

Does it occur to some of you, that channel people are under NDA, and maybe they are honouring it? Besides, as EniGmA1987 mentioned, those 1st shipments went to the main customer, not your local computer store ;)
09-22-2011, 04:24 PM
sdsdv10

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangracin3

you think well see a few take the lhe jump also?

Quote:

Originally Posted by massman

Affirmative :up:

It pretty much comes down to whether or not Bulldozer will be competitive at the highest clock. If, let's say 7.5G LN2 BD is the fastest benching platform for some 3D tests; 8G LHe BD would give you a very nice edge over your competition. Then it all comes down to finding a good deal, which is similar to how it is on LN2. Some pay upto 7€/l, some pay as low as 0.3€/l.

The quantities you need for LHe are a bit higher, though. 500L would be enough for a few decent runs; but that's already 2500€ on cooling. Maybe when Giga or Asus start playing 'who has the biggest' they'll get on the LHe train :D

Won't the Helium shortage potentially limit this? Source: http://www.gasworld.com/news.php?a=5727

I just heard about this at work today. We asked for 500L and the supplier said they could delievery maybe 10L... :(

EDIT: At least here in the US. Not sure if they have the same issue in the EU.
09-22-2011, 07:14 PM
bamtan2

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Are there interlagos benches out there, haven't seen any and they are in channel now no?

that's the thing, they aren't in the channel. amd said they shipped some to cray. so there are some chips locked in a room in the middle of a building at cray.
09-22-2011, 07:26 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

that's the thing, they aren't in the channel. amd said they shipped some to cray. so there are some chips locked in a room in the middle of a building at cray.

lots of them from what I heard..;)
09-23-2011, 01:51 AM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by god_43

i have been wondering that for the past 5 days as well....if they have shipped someone would have leaked benches already??? i am beginning to think BD is a bunch of smoke and mirror's.

Interlagos have been shiped to Cray, to some computing centers etc......... they are not a bunch of folk who leak benchmark like that.. they are doing test of validation for their system.

Don't forget , the XK6 can eat 500'000 CPU in his larger extend. ( ofc they are not test 500'000 processors and most system will end with a low less CPU )
09-24-2011, 05:05 AM
onethreehill

Not sure if this has been posted :)
AMD Bulldozer FX Official Test Results
09-24-2011, 05:12 AM
Lanek

that's what i call Slides ... will need test ourself then...

Thanks m8.
09-24-2011, 05:17 AM
muziqaz

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Not sure if this has been posted :)
AMD Bulldozer FX Official Test Results

It has been posted in other thread, and I really really really doubt it is official test results.
09-24-2011, 05:56 AM
blindbox

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Originally Posted by muziqaz

It has been posted in other thread, and I really really really doubt it is official test results.

Which thread? Anyway, from the same site, more benchmarks.

delicious (direct comparison with SB, or at least you can refer online)
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_5.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_8.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_11.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_12.htm

non-delicious (everything else)
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_9.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_10.htm
09-24-2011, 06:01 AM
muziqaz

Like this thread ?
And I posted my reaction to those slides a bit further down that thread.
Edit: also what I would like to add, that I like how AMD uses Cinebench screen with xeon in it and instead of usual screen where you can see some different CPUs benched, you only see 2 CPUs in it, one is 2 core something and another is some 8 core xeon at 3ghz and instead of running that cinebench on BD system and adding the score to that little table, they just add a sidenote on a right hand side to say their results.
Only a kid would create a slide like this. I mean you are already disclosing the result, why not show it as normal people do, and that little chart on the cinebench itself.
So my suspicions are still there: either they are faked and anyone just done those slides for some kicks, or they are not fake and AMD desktop marketing pulled a retard on all of us ;)
09-24-2011, 06:03 AM
Pestilence

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Which thread? Anyway, from the same site, more benchmarks.

delicious (direct comparison with SB, or at least you can refer online)
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_5.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_8.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_11.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_12.htm

non-delicious (everything else)
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...onuclari_9.htm
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...nuclari_10.htm

I read through them and this is what has been predicted for months.
09-24-2011, 06:11 AM
muziqaz

Pestilence, don't give me that crap :D
What was predicted was that AMDs new CPUs are running slower than some athlon 2s :) All we have seen was way worse faked test results, or some weird non functional chip testing :)
Even though I believe those are really faked, they are so far the best we have seen, didn't we? :)
09-24-2011, 06:22 AM
undone

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Originally Posted by muziqaz

Even though I believe those are really faked, they are so far the best we have seen, didn't we?

Thats why I don't bother any so-call early leaking because we even not sure the launch date.

These slides imply they'll launch in Oct.12. But it's still wait and see. Too odd that we haven't heard Zambezi shipping now, it's only half a month away to mid-October.
09-24-2011, 06:26 AM
Pantsu

No single thread results? If FX-8150 can only compete with 2600K in mt applications, it really looks like BD is somewhat of a disappointment. Guess we'll have to see if Piledriver fixes things next year. Or whenever AMD finally releases it...

October 12th has been referenced by quite a few reputable sites, and as it is quite close, you can pretty much guess if it is the date AMD has given under NDA. :p: Of course it don't mean they can't delay it a bit more like usual. :rolleyes:
09-24-2011, 06:28 AM
muziqaz

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Originally Posted by undone

Thats why I don't bother any so-call early leaking because we even not sure the launch date.

These slides imply they'll launch in Oct.12. But it's still wait and see. Too odd that we haven't heard Zambezi shipping now, it's only half a month away to mid-October.

We haven't heard it is shipping because we don't have desktop JF among us ;)
I guess it would be safe to say that with those boxes of Interlagos to Cray, there were some smaller boxes going to some of the Desktop builders ;) Or at least to some regional warehouses(if AMD has such things).
09-24-2011, 06:30 AM
muziqaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantsu

No single thread results? If FX-8150 can only compete with 2600K in mt applications, it really looks like BD is somewhat of a disappointment. Guess we'll have to see if Piledriver fixes things next year. Or whenever AMD finally releases it...

October 12th has been referenced by quite a few reputable sites, and as it is quite close, you can pretty much guess if it is the date AMD has given under NDA. :p: Of course it don't mean they can't delay it like usual. :rolleyes:

It would be kinda stupid and hypocritical to market 8 core CPU with some single threaded apps, don't you think? After all not very smart people would buy an 8 core CPU to do only some super pi runs day to day ;)
09-24-2011, 06:34 AM
Pestilence

Quote:

Originally Posted by muziqaz

Pestilence, don't give me that crap :D
What was predicted was that AMDs new CPUs are running slower than some athlon 2s :) All we have seen was way worse faked test results, or some weird non functional chip testing :)
Even though I believe those are really faked, they are so far the best we have seen, didn't we? :)

Come on Muz. You think someone took the hours to fake them ALL? I think they're accurate.

For the past 6 months i expected the 8150 to beat the 2600K in Multithreaded apps and get killed in Gaming which is what i see here. I also have to point out the 980X runs at 3.3Ghz with a 3.6Ghz turbo and the 8150 runs at 3.6Ghz with a 4.2Ghz turbo.
09-24-2011, 06:36 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Come on Muz. You think someone took the hours to fake them ALL? I think they're accurate.

For the past 6 months i expected the 8150 to beat the 2600K in Multithreaded apps and get killed in Gaming which is what i see here. I also have to point out the 980X runs at 3.3Ghz with a 3.6Ghz turbo and the 8150 runs at 3.6Ghz with a 4.2Ghz turbo.

And someday I'm going to find a AMD thread where your not there dumping on them..
Oh wait, thats a pipe dream!:rofl:

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