AMD Phenom X6 1090T Black Edition & 1055T launch on 4/27

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03-24-2010, 09:21 AM
Florinmocanu

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Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Pardon my ignorance, but how aggressive is the purported turbo mode for these chips? Would it exceed 3.4GHZ, and across how many cores? Taking a cue from the benchmarks posted above, anything around 3.4GHZ is not going to beat the i5 750. It'll take slightly more to be on par, and significantly higher to actually beat it convincingly.

I feel unless your life depends on heavy multitasking, or you work with a heavily multithreaded application that is actually capable of utilizing all cores @ 100%, this processor is not for you.

This processor would be suitable for WCG, F@H, x264 Encoding, etc. And that's for those already on the AMD platform. People on Intel platform already have this performance with the i5, i7 quads. It'll be interesting to see how much PPDs this chip can achieve vs. the 8 threads of Nehalem in WCG.

the 1090T with turbo goes to 3.6 ghz, a 400 mhz boost. pretty decent i think.

the 1055T with turbo goes to 3.3 ghz, a 500 mhz boost.
03-24-2010, 09:22 AM
-Sweeper_

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Pardon my ignorance, but how aggressive is the purported turbo mode for these chips? Would it exceed 3.4GHZ, and across how many cores? Taking a cue from the benchmarks posted above, anything around 3.4GHZ is not going to beat the i5 750. It'll take slightly more to be on par, and significantly higher to actually beat it convincingly.

I feel unless your life depends on heavy multitasking, or you work with a heavily multithreaded application that is actually capable of utilizing all cores @ 100%, this processor is not for you.

This processor would be suitable for WCG, F@H, x264 Encoding, etc. And that's for those already on the AMD platform. People on Intel platform already have this performance with the i5, i7 quads. It'll be interesting to see how much PPDs this chip can achieve vs. the 8 threads of Nehalem in WCG.

thats my opinion too

by the way...
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-03/...st-498x350.jpg

*you'll see a 500mhz boost only when 1 core is being used
03-24-2010, 09:34 AM
FlanK3r

ok, lets back to Thuban. Why is diference x6 1090T and future model 1095T?
03-24-2010, 09:41 AM
Florinmocanu

hmmm, dunno, maybe they want to introduce new socket? or diff mem controller? Dunno, with X4s the 5 meant DDR3 support.
03-24-2010, 09:43 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

ok, lets back to Thuban. Why is diference x6 1090T and future model 1095T?

Maybe TDp or a new ddr standard..
03-24-2010, 09:46 AM
FlanK3r

but 1055T is with DDR2 and DDR3...maybe only TDP???Or diferent better turbo core or new revision?
03-24-2010, 09:47 AM
OhNoes!

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Originally Posted by Florinmocanu

the 1090T with turbo goes to 3.6 ghz, a 400 mhz boost. pretty decent i think.

the 1055T with turbo goes to 3.3 ghz, a 500 mhz boost.

Thanks. No doubt. The 1090T is the highest model, at 3.2GHZ stock clocks, right? What segment is it in, price-wise?

@Sweeper. Thanks for the link. The slide is missing some info. So when turbo kicks in across 4 cores, is that a +200mhz jump for all four cores?

Also how does AMDs implementation of (Core Boost?) Turbo Boost work? What constraints are there, if any? I mean, are certain criteria need to be met for turbo to kick in, or does it kick based on number of threads being utilized. I should think it'll act exactly as Intel's ie. thermal, voltage headroom, etc.
03-24-2010, 10:00 AM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by chew*

Out of curiosity why how did a News section Launch date reveal of 6 core AMD chips become a discussion about 1156?

:shrug:

My 2c..... gulftown had its launch.......let thuban have its now.......

Nice points.;) So, since you entered the discussion and since I believe that you have some Thubans ready for OC-ing on your desk, can you share some info with us. :D For example what revision it will be? What frequencies should we expect using a high-end air cooler? What are the temperature and voltage tolerances? Will it have unlocked multipliers?
03-24-2010, 10:00 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florinmocanu

the 1090T with turbo goes to 3.6 ghz, a 400 mhz boost. pretty decent i think.

the 1055T with turbo goes to 3.3 ghz, a 500 mhz boost.

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-03/13063_turbo3d.jpg

;)
03-24-2010, 10:11 AM
chew*

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Nice points.;) So, since you entered the discussion and since I believe that you have some Thubans ready for OC-ing on your desk, can you share some info with us. :D For example what revision it will be? What frequencies should we expect using a high-end air cooler? What are the temperature and voltage tolerances? Will it have unlocked multipliers?

tsk tsk even if I did which I don't, I still wouldn't be able to say that I had one nor could I comment. You should know that by now :)

Any info that has been leaked was not leaked legally ;)
03-24-2010, 10:22 AM
FlanK3r

But is not ilegall say, if u have one ES Thuban (or retail) home for testing :). YES/NO? :-)
03-24-2010, 10:32 AM
gOJDO

He stinks on Thuban :rofl:
03-24-2010, 10:42 AM
Lightman

*chew is a good guy and won't breach NDA no matter how much we will ask :up:

The only hope for us, starving for new details is to look in China direction where people are letting cats from the bag earlier than others ...
03-24-2010, 10:50 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Lightman

*chew is a good guy and won't breach NDA no matter how much we will ask :up:

fine.... ill put the battery and jumper cables back in the car, always gotta ruin all my fun.
03-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Florinmocanu

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Thanks. No doubt. The 1090T is the highest model, at 3.2GHZ stock clocks, right? What segment is it in, price-wise?

@Sweeper. Thanks for the link. The slide is missing some info. So when turbo kicks in across 4 cores, is that a +200mhz jump for all four cores?

Also how does AMDs implementation of (Core Boost?) Turbo Boost work? What constraints are there, if any? I mean, are certain criteria need to be met for turbo to kick in, or does it kick based on number of threads being utilized. I should think it'll act exactly as Intel's ie. thermal, voltage headroom, etc.

the rumors said around 280 $ for it. Should be a monster in price/perf for my interests, rendering that is.
03-24-2010, 12:05 PM
FlanK3r

but NDA is not about " i have this CPU", right? Or with NDA u dont speak nothing? I thought, its only about screens, infos about chip, benchmarks etc. But u can to say "yes, i have it, and its all what i can say"
03-24-2010, 01:34 PM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

fine.... ill put the battery and jumper cables back in the car, always gotta ruin all my fun.

:rofl:

Sorry! :)
03-24-2010, 01:56 PM
RaV[666]

By STARGAZER

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Your post is again full of I don't notice, I don't think, I can't see, I call BS... that's fine, nobody here is saying you must see those things. You can have your opinion, we all have one. But the facts are facts, and in some of your opinions you're going against facts. Benchmarks of real world scenarios prove that you don't need to run low settings to have higher fps on Intel CPUs in real games. I'm telling you I don't need to read any review to notice the same thing. You choose for whatever reason not to believe any of this. That's an opinion against a fact. If you want to go against facts go ahead, but I'll stop now because I don't like doing that.
60fps enough for the eyes? Oh noes, not the 60Hz stuff again. Yes, movies are shot at 24fps, that's why they stutter like if there were no tomorrow.

Well ,no, my post is full of information, and some benchmarks that are RELEVANT to the argument we had.Your posts on the other hand are full of "I MYSELF THINK/FEEL ITS THAT WAY".
In the beginning someone gave you scaling benchmark for i7 and PH2.You ignored that.Than i gave another one, you ignored that.Than you said that in games that are cpu bound difference is huge ,i gave you a link to benchmark of a game that you listed, it showed SOME difference in order of 10% and you well, ignored that.And you call "BS".Come on.I seeFACTS exactly, and the FACT IS that in REAL WORLD SCENARIOS with high enough IQ(HIGH QUALITY SETTINGS), games are MUCH MORE gpu bound than they are CPU BOUND.That is a FACT.Now youre telling that you dont need to read any reviews because well, it seems you know better.But you know what ? It aint a FACT if you just have a feeling ;-).So its you who have OPINION against a FACT.
And please dont mix up HZ as in refresh rate to FPS, aint the same thing you know.And yes 60FPS is fluid motion VIDEO, its more than 2x that of a movie fps.However it even isnt a topic we are discussing.
BTW. "stuttering" occurs when there isnt fluid FPS number, it wont stutter if it goes in steady 24fps, it WILL however stutter if video is going from 20 to 80 in microseconds.
If you have any credible benchmarks to show that PH2 in real world settings suffers from big drops and i7 doesnt.Show us.If not.Maybe you are wrong ?
03-24-2010, 01:58 PM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by RaV[666]

By STARGAZER
Well ,no, my post is full of information, and some benchmarks that are RELEVANT to the argument we had.Your posts on the other hand are full of "I MYSELF THINK/FEEL ITS THAT WAY".
In the beginning someone gave you scaling benchmark for i7 and PH2.You ignored that.Than i gave another one, you ignored that.Than you said that in games that are cpu bound difference is huge ,i gave you a link to benchmark of a game that you listed, it showed SOME difference in order of 10% and you well, ignored that.And you call "BS".Come on.I seeFACTS exactly, and the FACT IS that in REAL WORLD SCENARIOS with high enough IQ(HIGH QUALITY SETTINGS), games are MUCH MORE gpu bound than they are CPU BOUND.That is a FACT.Now youre telling that you dont need to read any reviews because well, it seems you know better.But you know what ? It aint a FACT if you just have a feeling ;-).So its you who have OPINION against a FACT.
And please dont mix up HZ as in refresh rate to FPS, aint the same thing you know.And yes 60FPS is fluid motion VIDEO, its more than 2x that of a movie fps.However it even isnt a topic we are discussing.
BTW. "stuttering" occurs when there isnt fluid FPS number, it wont stutter if it goes in steady 24fps, it WILL however stutter if video is going from 20 to 80 in microseconds.
If you have any credible benchmarks to show that PH2 in real world settings suffers from big drops and i7 doesnt.Show us.If not.Maybe you are wrong ?

So, how is this related to Thuban?
03-24-2010, 02:10 PM
chew*

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

But is not ilegall say, if u have one ES Thuban (or retail) home for testing :). YES/NO? :-)

NDA means non disclosure........means you can't disclose anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gOJDO

He stinks on Thuban :rofl:

Your a stinker :p:
03-24-2010, 03:18 PM
haylui

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Originally Posted by chew*

NDA means non disclosure........means you can't disclose anything.

Your a stinker :p:

I got the new meaning of NDA = No Disclosure of ANYTHING:ROTF::ROTF:
03-24-2010, 04:23 PM
RaV[666]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gOJDO

So, how is this related to Thuban?

I know that it has gone way off track.It started by me saying that thubans will be great for people that do heavy multitasking like me.I said that i often do some stuff in the background on some cores and play a game on the rest.
Mr. Party pooper there replied that i "wont get as good game experience as i7 does" with thuban.I said i will because games are GPU bound in 99% high IQ cases, he said otherwise.And i see now that i got into stupid argument with a fanboy.And im stopping.Sorry sir.:p:

Anyhow, any confirmations on whole price listing ? 1035T and 109xT are missing if i recall.
03-24-2010, 07:22 PM
Hell Hound

Virtual core vs REAL CORE.I know which one I want.:rofl:
03-25-2010, 06:48 AM
Manicdan

is anyone worried about if mobos can handle overclocking 6 cores past 4ghz with 1.5-1.6V behind it?

i know alot of boards are good for quads up too and past 200W to the cpu, but with the 2 extra cores, think people will run into issues adding a possible 50 extra watts to the system?
03-25-2010, 06:52 AM
chew*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manicdan

is anyone worried about if mobos can handle overclocking 6 cores past 4ghz with 1.5-1.6V behind it?

i know alot of boards are good for quads up too and past 200W to the cpu, but with the 2 extra cores, think people will run into issues adding a possible 50 extra watts to the system?

I've seen over 350w at the wall in certain circumstances with a "minimal draw vidcard in 2d" @ 6+ on 790.......I'm sure the 890 boards will handle this fine.

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