Solving the AN7 issue

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12-01-2003, 09:39 AM
cobray

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Originally posted by TechTones
No my friend. I'm actually at 208 x 12=2505 now. Why? I have no 1/2 multipliers and 11 x 221= only 2434Mhz. I want to max out my CPU. it's more important then more FSB.

12 x 208 with ram setting on low latencies, is faster then
11 x 221 for sure.

NFS:Underground is much faster at 208 then 221. I'm interested in real performance results. High numbers are nice for bragging and screen shots, but I want what's fastest for me.

As soon as we get a new bios that hopefully fixed the 1/2 issue, I'll take it higher and I'm afraid it's a hardware isssue not a bios one. Why do I think that?

I feel Abit would have released a quick fix bios just for that since people are screaming mad about tihs board. Just look, it's been like a week since the board was released. Why no bios fix yet?

If this problem is hardware, then we know abit lied to us about testing it to make sure it was OK. If this was true, how come they didn't see the 1/2 multi issue? Why not? Because they lied to our faces. My next 754 or 939 board is NOT going to be an abit board that's FOR SURE.

Last I read that the board only officially supports 200FSB. Just because it is not the overclocking bomb you thought it was going to be does not mean it is a bad board.
Have any of you tried running it at the supported specs (not overclocked) and having problems? If so and you have problems then you have legitimate complaints against ABIT. If not, your operating your board out of spec.
I dont own one, and I have read about the cut trace and hand-soldered resistors but that does not mean it is a bad board that does not operate as it is advertised. If you dont like it why dont you just send it back and get another board.
12-01-2003, 09:45 AM
TechTones

Quote:

Originally posted by cobray
Last I read that the board only officially supports 200FSB. Just because it is not the overclocking bomb you thought it was going to be does not mean it is a bad board.
Have any of you tried running it at the supported specs (not overclocked) and having problems? If so and you have problems then you have legitimate complaints against ABIT. If not, your operating your board out of spec.
I dont own one, and I have read about the cut trace and hand-soldered resistors but that does not mean it is a bad board that does not operate as it is advertised. If you dont like it why dont you just send it back and get another board.

Excuse me, do you have some sort of problem?

Obviously you didn't read this thread.

The board is NOT STABLE. IT HAS NO 1/2 MULTPLIER OPTIONS.
The Guru software LOCKS UP. 1.75v VDD undervolts to 1.72v
There are reboots. Many people's board DIED the same day if it wasn't DOA so I'm speaking for THEM TOO. You see, I care about other people too not just myself. Do you have a problem with that?

Do you know Abit touts the overclocking features on this board
like THEIR "OC GURU" software.

I suggest you stick to things that are your business and know what you're talking about.
12-01-2003, 09:59 AM
thewoody

TT has this whole thing nailed right on the head in my opinion. Why release something that has obvious evidence of a flawed design to a market full of critics who work with these boards all the time? Chevrolet doesn't release a new Corvette without properly testing it for months, why should other companies get away with providing consumers with less?

My AN7 arrives today and I hope I can get 11 or 12 x 200 out of it, but from others' experiences, it may very well be a return.
12-01-2003, 10:02 AM
cobray

YEs, I have read the thread. Unfortunately TechTones your incoherent writing has failed to get your point across. I guess that is supposed to be my problem?
So your saying the board is not stable at 200FSB? Yes or No.
Im not denying people are having a problem with the board, I am just pointing out that it only officially supports 200 FSB. Why is that such a problem for you?
Also your CPU should work just fine on AUTO. The fact you have multipliers to change is a "free cheese" item that ABIT gives you. It does not mean that they can officially support the board if you change the multiplier. If you can, thats great. If not, well, thats life.
And no I dont have a problem, I was just giving my input. And I have a much a right to do that as you do.
12-01-2003, 10:05 AM
cobray

Also why dont you include what I quoted by you, that your panties are all in a wad because you cant do 208 FSB. Thats not supported by tthe board.
12-01-2003, 10:14 AM
thewoody

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/...es=1&model=158

Take notice of what Abit claims as features of their AN7 board. "...allows you to maximize performance...for the hardware enthusiast...". Understand what he is talking about now?

And Cobray, I see you use a NF7-S at 220 FSB. I assume you paid about $100 for it as many people did. Do you feel better knowing that they spend about $15 in parts but charged the remainder as technology research? Just what did that $85 go towards?
12-01-2003, 10:19 AM
cobray

thewoody, they just say "maximize performance". They dont state that the board will support over 200 FSB. "Maximize performance" could mean alot of things. This is just marketing talk.
Im not sure either what you mean by it costs them $15 to make the board and they sell it for $100. Thats called capitalism. Good for them. Thats what keeps them in business.
12-01-2003, 10:24 AM
twiggy

I retired my NF7, I really like this board plus its more stable then my NF7. Im content with 225x12 for now, Im sure Abit will release a BIOS that'll fix most stuff. This board is rock stable IMO.....

However if Abit releases another rev. of this board I WILL be very very pissed.
12-01-2003, 10:25 AM
TechTones

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Originally posted by twiggy
I retired my NF7, I really like this board plus its more stable then my NF7. Im content with 225x12 for now, Im sure Abit will release a BIOS that'll fix most stuff. This board is rock stable IMO.....

However if Abit releases another rev. of this board I WILL be very very pissed.

I thought you didn't have 1/2 multipliers also??????
12-01-2003, 10:55 AM
NoOne

Cobray.. but if we have options to change multipliers, they have to work.. or it is a flawless marketing
12-01-2003, 11:36 AM
twiggy

Quote:

Originally posted by TechTones
I thought you didn't have 1/2 multipliers also??????

I dont but Im sure Abit will release a BIOS fix for it. Atleast they better.
12-01-2003, 11:54 AM
twiggy

Actually I have some .5 multi's but no the odd number ones. 10.5, 12.5 and so on works but I know 10.5 sux with high FSB.
12-01-2003, 12:42 PM
Jigga0o7

Mine isn't cut

19817

The actual fsb was 228... but the problem is that I can't do it again. I had it totally stable at 228x10.5, §§§§ it was even prime stable but now it has gone to crap and I don't know what has changed.

This is my first post *newb*

Also I have a bench at 229fsb, but I had the cpu variation error.
12-01-2003, 01:15 PM
NoOne

welcome to xtreme jigga007
12-01-2003, 01:27 PM
SAE

Welcome to Xtremesystems, Jigga :D

Keep up the good work :)
12-01-2003, 01:33 PM
Holst

Re: Mine isn't cut

Quote:

Originally posted by Jigga0o7
19817

The actual fsb was 228... but the problem is that I can't do it again. I had it totally stable at 228x10.5, §§§§ it was even prime stable but now it has gone to crap and I don't know what has changed.

This is my first post *newb*

Also I have a bench at 229fsb, but I had the cpu variation error.

My system was like that, taking the VDD to 1.95v and watercooling the NB fixed it.

Glad to see somebody is doing good with this board.
12-01-2003, 03:28 PM
JungleMan

Quote:

Originally posted by TechTones
I suggest you stick to things that are your business and know what you're talking about.

I suggest you not make ridiculous statements like blaming NVIDIA because a chipset for 64 bit processors and one for 32 bit processors use the same silicon.

Yeah, they just flip the magic switch on the NF3 to suddenly change it into a 32 bit chipset.

Blame Abit, that's where the blame belongs for this dud board.
12-01-2003, 03:34 PM
iceman2g

WELCOME TO XTREME Jigga0o7
12-01-2003, 04:04 PM
beatnic

nice! i know the AN7 has a lot of potential.. it'll get better with some new batch
12-01-2003, 05:46 PM
Jigga0o7

Here's my big problem.

The motherboard is stable and can run prime at 230fsb with no probs, also cpu interface is on.

The problem is that after a while of being in windows, my keyboard and mouse begin to not function anymore, and I have to restart. Pretty ghetto don't you think? So I can run 230x10.5, but the an7 as of this moment, won't allow me to use the mouse and keyboard. I thought it was freezing, but when I pressed the shutdown; windows did it's little shutting down ticker thing and it shut down. If they can solve that someone minor problem, it'll be a good board. And I just wanna show this mushkin level 2 pc3500
who's boss. :smileysex
12-01-2003, 06:13 PM
xDUCK

Quote:

Originally posted by Jigga0o7
Here's my big problem.

The motherboard is stable and can run prime at 230fsb with no probs, also cpu interface is on.

The problem is that after a while of being in windows, my keyboard and mouse begin to not function anymore, and I have to restart. Pretty ghetto don't you think? So I can run 230x10.5, but the an7 as of this moment, won't allow me to use the mouse and keyboard. I thought it was freezing, but when I pressed the shutdown; windows did it's little shutting down ticker thing and it shut down. If they can solve that someone minor problem, it'll be a good board. And I just wanna show this mushkin level 2 pc3500
who's boss. :smileysex

I get that problem when I use more vcore than the board can supply (looks like the infamous inverse FSB/vcore link is back :().
12-01-2003, 07:57 PM
sites

finally, i can post :banana:

i have rma'd mine. the voltage was a constant 2.0+!!!!! no matter what i set it as in the bios, it wouldn't read different in the uGuru nor the bios. AND the default voltage for my 2500 was 1.84 for some inexplicable reason. i, too, had the cut trace that looked like it was done with a philips head.

despite all the neg's, i think i'll try another. this board has the perfect layout for my yeong yang cube case. i don't want to go back to the nf7 now. but i won't swing for strike 3. if the next one doesn't work out, i'll just wait until v2.

i had to come over here to catch all these personal experiences. there weren't enough "guinea pigs" at overclockers. you guys have been quite informative.

:toast:
12-01-2003, 08:48 PM
Sovereignty

Quote:

Originally posted by cobray
YEs, I have read the thread. Unfortunately TechTones your incoherent writing has failed to get your point across. I guess that is supposed to be my problem?
So your saying the board is not stable at 200FSB? Yes or No.
Im not denying people are having a problem with the board, I am just pointing out that it only officially supports 200 FSB. Why is that such a problem for you?
Also your CPU should work just fine on AUTO. The fact you have multipliers to change is a "free cheese" item that ABIT gives you. It does not mean that they can officially support the board if you change the multiplier. If you can, thats great. If not, well, thats life.
And no I dont have a problem, I was just giving my input. And I have a much a right to do that as you do.

So you're saying we should buy this board and expect to run it at 200fsb? To that I say Hell No. This isn't some OEM board you give to your granny and run at stock speed. It's supposed to be an enthusiast board and it's supposed to overclock. You keep saying the board is fine just because it will run 200fsb? Well §§§§, so did my old Soyo KT400. Does that make it a good board? Again, Hell No. With the cash people (including myself) are shelling out for this board, it damn well better perform like it. If I wanted to run 200fsb I'd buy a Dell.
12-01-2003, 09:10 PM
cobray

Quote:

Originally posted by Sovereignty
So you're saying we should buy this board and expect to run it at 200fsb? To that I say Hell No. This isn't some OEM board you give to your granny and run at stock speed. It's supposed to be an enthusiast board and it's supposed to overclock. You keep saying the board is fine just because it will run 200fsb? Well §§§§, so did my old Soyo KT400. Does that make it a good board? Again, Hell No. With the cash people (including myself) are shelling out for this board, it damn well better perform like it. If I wanted to run 200fsb I'd buy a Dell.

Well, its not **ME** thats saying it, its ABIT. I suggest you pose the question on the Abit technical forum here and ask them "What is the highest official supported FSB for the AN7" and see what they say.

Also from your post, I dont know what you consider to be "a good board". If you ask 100 people you can get 100 different answers. Thats why Abit and other manufacturers give specifications.

And yes, I bought the NF7 because of its good reputation as an overclocker. I can do 220 FSP no problem. But should I start crying if I cant do 225? No, because when I bought it I damn well knew that it is only rated for up to 200 FSB. If I could only do 201 FSB well then that would suck and thats life. But if I could not do 200 FSB I would be raising hell and doing an RMA and looking for another board.

Its real appropriate that this board is called "Xtreme", since there seems to be a few extreme whiners on this board, which unfortunately drowns out some of the more pleasant and coherent discussions here. This is a great time to be into computers. They are getting better, faster and cheaper over time.

And If ya'll dont like it, then go ahead and find some venture capitalists, get a group of decent hardware engineers, and build your own board. No one is stopping you. Do you think that in 1980 Bill Gates was hanging out at the homebrew computer club and saying "U kn00w the 41t4iR 8800 su>< d00d, im calling the attorney general". :rolleyes:
12-01-2003, 11:02 PM
Sovereignty

He said for CPUs, and that's probably only because abit fixed the undervolting issue that was occurring on the NF7. What good is stable vcore when you're only running at 220fsb?

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