PCPER.com: 5 GHZ+ Phenom II Overclock on Dry Ice, 6Ghz on LN2

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Originally Posted by informal

Donnie,look the post above yours,MrMOjoz summed it up perfectly!

"Oh but I hope they do okay" should make us forget the first part,even if it was not said directly but just hinted at.

BTW i'm not going to get myself into an argument with you and make the same mistake Rammsteiner made.For me there is nothing more to say regarding your comment.

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Yeah, sometimes there's no point in going that way:p: I learned the hardway.

But indeed, people shout left and right 'Oh, I hope this and that' while they mean :banana::banana::banana::banana: all about it. Im not saying who does and who doesnt mean it, but certain people have about sub zero reliability, so why should we take it serious in anyway.

Although the LN2 stuff is very cool, Im quite curious how Deneb runs with like a Vapochill and such cooling, cooling that is able to run 24/7:D

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Originally Posted by informal

Donnie,look the post above yours,MrMOjoz summed it up perfectly!

"Oh but I hope they do okay" should make us forget the first part,even if it was not said directly but just hinted at.

BTW i'm not going to get myself into an argument with you and make the same mistake Rammsteiner made.For me there is nothing more to say regarding your comment.

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Its only you and certain other persons who see such things and think its shameless attack against amd.
I didn't even noticed that post till everyone raged about it... good way to make a mountain out of a molehill. :clap:

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

sub zero reliability

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i lol'd :)

Hornet,only a blind man can't see what MrMojoz posted about.If you are one of those ,that's fine.Like i said i won't comment on this issue any more.Feel free to think whatever you like,it's a free world.

On topic: more pics from the Phenom II event from Jeff Tom here.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

He said IF they flop, so why are you acting like he said when they flop? Or even worse hope they flop. He then says let's HOPE they don't. WOW, So you're turning concern into a Bash even when posters aren't bashing, amazing!

Most folks wants to see AMD do well, some want to them at least catch Intel. ALL OF US know prices will go up if they don't.

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Thanks man, let the fanboys say whatever they want, why bother with nobodys, anyway back on topic...... I like AMD, if Phenom II is like the previews suggest, then i will be building an AMD rig just for the fun of it, prices should be more for our liking as well, even tho pricing right now for intel is good, the motherboards are out of hand. Having a choice for a performance PC is always good, go AMD :up:

Nice to see AMD coming back BUTBUTBUT... Its still going to be a tough sell.
The way I see the market from Q1 2009:
Server: Intel win across the board
High-end desktop: Intel win
Value desktop: AMD win
High-end mobile: Intel win
Value mobile: Intel win

Still not a very good position by all accounts. IMO they should churn out some mobile parts ASAP.

A mobile X3 deneb with an undervolted RV730/RV770 would be a sweet sweet platform.

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Originally Posted by Boissez

Nice to see AMD coming back BUTBUTBUT... Its still going to be a tough sell.
The way I see the market from Q1 2009:
Server: Intel win across the board
High-end desktop: Intel win
Value desktop: AMD win
High-end mobile: Intel win
Value mobile: Intel win

Still not a very good position by all accounts. IMO they should churn out some mobile parts ASAP.

A mobile X3 deneb with an undervolted RV730/RV770 would be a sweet sweet platform.

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I'm pretty sure the "Value Desktop" market is larger than all the others put together though (excluding server of course).;)

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Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r

I'm pretty sure the "Value Desktop" market is larger than all the others put together though (excluding server of course).;)

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IIRC The mobile market is the largest in terms of volume and the server market is the largest in terms of value.

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Originally Posted by Boissez

Nice to see AMD coming back BUTBUTBUT... Its still going to be a tough sell.
The way I see the market from Q1 2009:
Server: Intel win across the board
High-end desktop: Intel win
Value desktop: AMD win
High-end mobile: Intel win
Value mobile: Intel win

Still not a very good position by all accounts. IMO they should churn out some mobile parts ASAP.

A mobile X3 deneb with an undervolted RV730/RV770 would be a sweet sweet platform.

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amd is gonna do good in the servers because its just a drop in chip
instead of new board/ram/cpu's

Fortunately for AMD, there are more segments than just "value" and "high end". What about enthusiasts that want the best bang for the buck?
What about students that need all the horsepower they can for audio/video tasks, without wanting to pay the jackpot?

To me it seems the highest performing Deneb will come very close in performance to the highest performing Nehalem.
Add to this Deneb's superior performance per watt, and the fact that MBs that support Deneb will be much cheaper than MBs that support nehalem. (especially the AMD boards that still use the old southbridge)

About time though, for a long time it made no sense to buy AMD for whatever purpose besides wanting to go cheap. (server market excluded)
Glad we're past that phase.

People shouldn't underestimate mobile market since it's growing insanely fast.That's why AMD preps the Deneb core based low power models for notebooks.Netbooks should get a single core variant of Deneb too,only cache stripped and running at low volts.

Well, maybe someone will think that Im stupid (maybe most of you), but how you comed to thinking that Phenom II wont be comparable to i7?

i7 has integrated memory bus, guess what.. Phenom II has integrated memory bus too. Both will use DDR3 (when AMD release AM3 platform). Phenom II doesnt have any memory clock/voltage limitations. Only thing it lacks really is Hyper-Threading and triple channel. But as much as I know, there is not big difference between dual/triple channel if you have integrated memory bus in CPU. i7 is just re-designed Core 2, nothing more. I think that if Phenom II will be able to do 4GHz at air, it can actually beat i7 (just imagine Phenom II under watercooling - 4,5GHz + some 2+GHz rams). Even with my poor Athlon X2 on 3GHz and Cellshocks at 1000MHz CL4.. I have over 9k bandwith.. if I imagine having some Phenom II on 4GHz.. heh bandwith over 15k? Maybe.. cause I can clock Cellshocks higher, just FSB cant take it).

If these OC reports are true, I believe that Phenom II will be much more than just comparable to i7. :) (at least much more friendly to OCers.. dont liek that idea of dead CPU if my memory voltage is too high).

Guys, if you concidere yourself a Blue team member , please let's the green team guys have their fun, it is nice to see them reviving a little, give them some space.
Instead, get back to work, and break the 7Ghz on Core i7 :)
Let s squeeze the best of both platform.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Core i7

Darth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MaJy7LH5js

Let's start with breaking 6G before we rush to 7G :). No dirty tricks allowed.

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Originally Posted by stangracin2

amd is gonna do good in the servers because its just a drop in chip
instead of new board/ram/cpu's

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Also, in servers performance per watt is the most important. And although Intel's platform will be faster, the CPUs consume a little more and FBDIMM makes it a lot worse

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Originally Posted by informal

People shouldn't underestimate mobile market since it's growing insanely fast.That's why AMD preps the Deneb core based low power models for notebooks.Netbooks should get a single core variant of Deneb too,only cache stripped and running at low volts.

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Whats the point of that, singelcores are dead, even for notebooks (beside for UMPCs, but even there dualcores take over)?

They need a chip that is dirt cheap and consumes next to nothing, and perform a bit better then atom -> zing amd would own the whole sub 400€ market.

Just look at the success of atom. Even if you strip down phenom 2 off everything it wont come close the the power consumption of atom.

Amd already had massmarket SoC way befor intel (remeber cyrix? ), but they dumped it... if they would have forced the development based on MediaGX core they would have a very competentive product against Atom.

As for a competition against the centrieno platform, that depends how much impact the cache strip has on phenom phenoms performance.

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Originally Posted by Xel'Naga

Also, in servers performance per watt is the most important. And although Intel's platform will be faster, the CPUs consume a little more and FBDIMM makes it a lot worse

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AMD has some good marketing advantages over Nehalem and server, the drop in compatibility is a huge win for companies in this environment.

However, Nehalem 2P servers will not use FBDIMMs they will be using low voltage DDR3.

Jack

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Why not beyond 3,6 GHz? CPU just won't go further regardless of Vcore with that temperature? Or high temps due to high Vcore?

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It will go further, but 3.6 will be the sweetspot from what I've been told. As always, this will vary from CPU to CPU and change between steppings ;)

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by massman

Let's start with breaking 6G before we rush to 7G :). No dirty tricks allowed.

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answer in video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg :rofl:

@ Drwho?

Some comments on Core i7 + LN2 testing:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=22

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Originally Posted by DMH

Most 965 won't even do 5Ghz benchable;)

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=270

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

He was the first person to ever get one I think.
If Macci is hitting those kinds of clocks on LN2 with Dragon Evo...wonder what he would do with a F1 extreme...Sami PM me your info again, time for an upgrade ;)
Looks like AMD is back in the LN2 game after all this time. Pretty cool :up:
Nehalem kind of sucks for extreme overclocking on LN2 to be honest. The LN2 party since dothan had to end some time I guess lol.

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Originally Posted by GAR

Thanks man, let the fanboys say whatever they want, why bother with nobodys, anyway back on topic...... I like AMD, if Phenom II is like the previews suggest, then i will be building an AMD rig just for the fun of it, prices should be more for our liking as well, even tho pricing right now for intel is good, the motherboards are out of hand. Having a choice for a performance PC is always good, go AMD :up:

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Very gracious of you, people need to be a less sensitive about hardware; we all want the best, regardless of platform. Only a fool wouldn't. Hint, hint, somebody needs to apologize to you. I'm on Intel, happily churning along with my Q9550 at 4.2Ghz, but I'm about as excited as anyone in here, just itching to lay my filthy hands on a phenom II. January can't come fast enough. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

answer in video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg :rofl:

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Oh man such good memories of JK2 and JKA :(

I'm going to play some multiplayer now :p:

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Originally Posted by informal

@ Drwho?

Some comments on Core i7 + LN2 testing:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=22

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=270

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I ll try with and without couple of diodes too ;-)
Get ready for a trauma ...

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Oh man such good memories of JK2 and JKA :(

I'm going to play some multiplayer now :p:

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this one is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zYOw7v6TFE

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Originally Posted by Mescalamba

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i7 has integrated memory bus, guess what.. Phenom II has integrated memory bus too. Both will use DDR3 (when AMD release AM3 platform). Phenom II doesnt have any memory clock/voltage limitations. Only thing it lacks really is Hyper-Threading and triple channel...snip...If these OC reports are true, I believe that Phenom II will be much more than just comparable to i7. :) (at least much more friendly to OCers.. dont liek that idea of dead CPU if my memory voltage is too high).

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You are missing some things here, it's not just about HT, etc. The problem is that AMD didn't optimize the execution units on Phenom / Phenom II as good as Intel did on Core 2 / i7.

The execution units of the Intel CPU's are much more flexibel and therefore depending on the application can excecute more instructions compared to AMD at the same time. In my on fractal assembler code I see that even Core 2 is about 30 to 40 percent faster at the same clock speed than a Phenom, when it comes to FPU or SSE2 performance.

If you wanna know more detail, take a weekend off ;-) and fight your way through the Agner Fog's nice guides:
http://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf