I knew that price point was speculation, but I haven't read that as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Has AMD confirmed this yet?
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I knew that price point was speculation, but I haven't read that as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Has AMD confirmed this yet?
Isnt the price $549???
from guru3d preview
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Once the R700 arrived I spent a complete day with it just to test and see how many problems we'd run into. Fact is, I had close to none.
A lot of games that where not shown in this preview due to an enforced limitation, ran all really well.
I've had a lot of critique in the past on Crossfire, valid criticism as only the popular games editors mostly used had good Crossfire support. With the new 48x0 X2 cards we think the tide definitely has turned.
My experiences with the card have been really good, the performance is flabbergasting.
If priced right, this is the new king in the high-end arena of graphics cards. I'm impressed, really impressed. And that's a hard thing for a company to achieve.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...-x2-preview/14
seems like good news !
regards
cait wait!!!! cmon!!!!
good news? its no better, and sometimes slightly worse than 4870 XFire. which is to be expected. the X2 cards really havent been the same as xfire, i've seen them act worse than xfire or SLI.
Hilbert doesnt like overclocking very much for reviews nor much at all that i have seen him do, and as you can see he was only running his E8400 at 3ghz.
a bottle neck for those video cards thats for sure
his scores would have been higher if the cpu was higher.
but for the average go overclocker 3ghz is a nice medium. nothing special but its better than stock.
in terms of "VS GTX 280" .. yes it crushed it... you cant deny that. i mean were we expecting anything less ?
price is going to be the killer i think. i think Hilbert was dreaming with a 449-499 pricetag. i dont know...
you'll also notice in the review that the studdering, in GRID, was not gone. but that was only at 2560 resolution.
last thing and ATI has done this before, there was a big thread about this already.
ATI crippled Hilberts review by only allowing certain programs to be shown...
thats like ATI saying "we know it sucks in UT3, or Crysis so we are not allowing you to show it"
he also reported his temps as 80+c IDLE and 90+c load... that card WILL die if left to run at thos temps all the time.
the silicon on the dies will die.. period...
again this is something i think hilbert may have prevented if he set a fan profile. which may not be possible in the current drivers.
Then you're talking performance wise. This card is good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Proof it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
yeah , the guru3d should have used a more powerful processor, although the scores seemed pretty good considering, but i think it was at its limit, because at the end of the review.. the OC fairly substantial clock increase on the x2 only provided 4 frames... so to me it looked like a bottleneck, he should have ramped up the 8400 to 4.0ghz. :up: interesting in this test the 4870 beat the 280gtx on a few of the benches, so it seems the 280 is more cpu bottleneck sensitive than the 4870. Although for the average user, that is probably what they are looking at in terms of cpu power.
Yes, ATi limits those reviewers to use just 4 games for this PREVIEW. No, ATi doesn't decide which game to be chosen & used in this preview by those exact reviewers. The verdict, your comment FAILS miserably. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
i think you'd have to life in the dark ages to believe that the card wont die if left to idle at 80+c and 90+c load.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
i never said it would die a horrible quick death, but given a short enough span of time left running like that it will die.
those temps are just rediculous.
same for intel chips listing their max temp at 100c.. i dare anyone to run their chips at that for any extended period of time.
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Originally Posted by villa1n
i would say the same, as it has been with nvidia cards for a while now they are very cpu dependant. wouldn't you agree? i havent run ATI since the 9800 days so i cant say how they have reacted to lower cpu mhz, but i imagine its the same way.
what i need to see from both companies are cards which dont need a super clocked cpu to show their true colors.
a cpu independant video card i feel is possible. but i am no gpu engineer.. so it's just wishful thinking on my part i think.
No kidding... Maybe that's why there isn't very many "lifetime warranty" on ATI Cards? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I had an overclocked celeron that ran 90c for over 7 years. It is still running to this very day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Your example isn't very good. Intel recommends a max of 100c, but even their stock coolers keep it well under that. ATI coolers are designed to run at high temps for sound reasons, though they are perfectly capable of cooling the chips well below the stock settings.
first of all no intel chip, beside the P-M is specified to run more then 100°C for a longer periode of time, and the P-M can do it without a sweat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Also ask all the X1800/X19xxXT users which temps there cards reach and how long they are using it. ;) (fyi X18xx/19xx series was/is on of the hotest cards with stock cooler :P )
I dont remember that anyone complained that cards where dying like flies.
Exactly. Secondly AMD have said these gpus are designed to run at these temperatures. My x1900xt ran at 90-95 with no issues at all... its really not that adnormal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Original G80GTX and Ultra's could run at 80+C all day. And the X1800s and X1900's were ridiculous for heat - lets say 100+ load was common and they sure as heck didn't die as flies.
And those are quite the claims you're making there Lestat - but seeing how your recent history of defending Nvidia cards is, I'm hoping you would've come up with more proof. Anyways, while the G200s certainly benefit from more CPU power, I'd say multi-GPU cards suffer the most from CPU limitations due to the inherent nature of data needing to be transferred and managed by the computer.
Also, considering that other (p)reviews have shown that the 4870X2 can actually scale better than the 4870s in CF at times, its not a given its no better
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Originally Posted by Lestat
And again, just to prove that you don't like to read reviews:Quote:
Once the R700 arrived I spent a complete day with it just to test and see how many problems we'd run into. Fact is, I had close to none.
A lot of games that where not shown in this preview due to an enforced limitation, ran all really well.
I've had a lot of critique in the past on Crossfire, valid criticism as only the popular games editors mostly used had good Crossfire support. With the new 48x0 X2 cards we think the tide definitely has turned.
My experiences with the card have been really good, the performance is flabbergasting.
If priced right, this is the new king in the high-end arena of graphics cards. I'm impressed, really impressed. And that's a hard thing for a company to achieve.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...-x2-preview/14
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Originally Posted by Lestat
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Once the R700 arrived I spent a complete day with it just to test and see how many problems we'd run into. Fact is, I had close to none.
A lot of games that where not shown in this preview due to an enforced limitation, ran all really well.
I've had a lot of critique in the past on Crossfire, valid criticism as only the popular games editors mostly used had good Crossfire support. With the new 48x0 X2 cards we think the tide definitely has turned.
My experiences with the card have been really good, the performance is flabbergasting.
If priced right, this is the new king in the high-end arena of graphics cards. I'm impressed, really impressed. And that's a hard thing for a company to achieve.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...-x2-preview/14
:up::up::up:
Not to mention that he specifically states that he could choose whatever he wanted to, and those were the games he chose to present :rolleyes: If he wanted to show it lose, he would've done soQuote:
Originally Posted by cegras
But hey, thats what shilling is all about :rolleyes:
Was the overclock that substantial?Quote:
Originally Posted by villa1n
I saw a 19mhz overclock or 2.5 percent. Sure the memory was overclock quite a bit more (about 10 percent), but considering the bandwidth that ddr5 provides, I don't think it will have a huge effect.
We saw a 4 frame increase which seems inline with the overclock of 2.5%.
Not saying it isn't being held back by the processor, probaly is considering that multi chip or card solutions need as much power as they can get. But an overclock of 2.5 percent, we cannot expect it to get 10 or 20 percent increases.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...0-x2-preview/9Quote:
At that resolution [2560x1600]we did however get some stuttering here and there. Something ATI definitely needs to focus at as it is reported a lot in our forums as well. Other than that, breathtaking stuff ...
stu..stu..stu..
so the 4870X2 is to be released when in August? damn can't wait
Should be out around the 12th of august - wish it was sooner!
What exactly is that time frame? Please show us some articles with empirical evidence to support your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
My x1950 is fine after 2 years and runs at 93c under heavy load.
Ah hell. So even though MS is reduced in most cases it might not have been eliminated entirely. Or perhaps they are referring to the menu screen stutter in grid, which is still known to be present.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
Hmm.
To clear temperature issue a bit - most modern silicon transistors can handle temperatures up to +150C with short peaks of up to +200C. Manufacturers are giving safe range way below practical max. as a safety measure. Every chip can have hot spots, so it is better to keep them 20-30C lower than they can survive. It is true that at higher temps chip will degrade faster, but the difference between running chip at 30C and 100C isn't big. It gets big when you are within 10% of maximum temperature.
On a side note I had Duron 700MHz CPU running for 2 weeks with temps over 107C due to bad cooler mount! 107C read from motherboard sensor - Durons didn't had on-die sensors so real temperature was even higher!! :D CPU survived 2 years till my friend crushed the core :).
well the other thing is overclocking, but then again even if i were to put waterblock on it and get temps to 45~50C @ full load, how much more clock speed would that yield over stock cooler @ 90C?(without increasing voltage)
also did most of the review sites use that ATI profile trick to increase fan speed to like 40% or more??
according to mascaras it helps the temp a lot, 4870 fan @ 45% = 56c full load, vs. most review sites reporting 80+C for 4870
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=194052
so thats something to think about