http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/78d...3c6b85866d.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/view/9168c50...c3d1855ae6.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cezar
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/03d...e5f0d19fe0.jpg
Several sources have stated that 10-23-12 is the official Vishera announcement day in the U.S. We will know soon as I expect all the major PC hardware review sites had their benching done a week or more ago.
I'm expecting ~10-15% improvement over Zambezi just as AMD's roadmap shows. That's a decent step forward in performance without a node drop and with the FX-8350 priced right around $200 USD in the Colonies, Vishera should be a good time for many.
welcome amdforme lol nice name
Depending on reviews I will be getting a Vishera.
Any reason to get an 8350 over an 8320?
Danke, Danke ! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Too early to know. The first shipments may be well binned meaning potentially less ability to OC the 8320, but that's purely speculation until enough people test both models to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by sequoia464
I heard someone say somewhere that AMD FX "Bulldozer" are binned through a combo of worst core and TDP. While this shouldn't be taken for fact...Quote:
Originally Posted by sequoia464
It would make sense to me, since worst cores can be as bad as Phenom II clock wise, and the better cores on a die can sometimes reach well over 5 GHz air/8 GHz LN2.
There is a lot of inconsistency in the CPUs, most blame it on the GloFo 32nm process, but in reality it is a combo of complex/radically new design and the process...
Which is why intel has a tick/tock strategy, make sure the old one works before changing things completely...
Also related to NVIDIA's problems had with GTX 400 series.
i will probably be getting the 8350
because my 8120 the 7th or 8th core always seems to fail first
I see on my slide date is 12:00 22 Oct 2012. They don't left ant info about timezone.Quote:
Originally Posted by cezar
Thanks :) So if it's Texas then it will be 2 AM, October 23 in Japan, and 7 PM, October 22 in Europe - nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hiepgia
Just a few more hours .......:D
4 more hours entering 23/10/2012.
In Europe NDA lifts 10/23 6:00 am, and now is 10/22 3 pm, still 15 hours of waiting
The natives are getting anxious... :up:
GMT+8 here, 30 minutes more to 23rd-Oct-2012Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
time t-12 hours till launch, i can tell you what you want to know about, no screenies, but i have 8350 tested
power consumption vs 8150?Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Cinebench at max stable (3hrs+ prime95 blend) clocks
tbone8ty power consumption vs 8150?
+1
i have "review kit" from AMD, i think with good binned cpu by AMD. Power consumption is on par/few watts higher then 8150 in prime95. Overclocking on same voltage level as 8150 is 100 Mhz better.
That kind of destroys AMD's hoped for 15% power reduction claims, or am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
15% power reduction Or 15 % better performance clock to clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by sequoia464
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Any power consumption advertised by AMD is going to be taken at Stock obviously
Once OCed, its probably just as bad (if not worse) than an 8150. Look at Trinity when its loaded (CPU only), same process...
There is nothing said about 15 percents better power consumption, but 15 percents better efficiency. And it is better, perf/watt ratio is better (10 percents)
Welcome :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDforME
You are from Germany? (Judging from that "Danke")
I WISH... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I go there on Biz now and then. It's a wonderful country, especially for car people.
Some how this doesn't surprise meQuote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
I'm guessing idle will be a little better and load will be higher
Than 8150
It will get r@ped in every review again for having same power numbers as 8150 no matter if its 15% faster
15 percent? cīmon, in best case it is 10-15 in few optimized applications, x264, Winrar, Cinebench.
Whatever the performance increase is then it will still get bashedQuote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Only thing saving it is price tag hopefully
Let's not forget that this is a core revision not a node change or major architectural design change.
Intel got a whopping ~5% from both a node drop from 32nm to 22nm and a switch to trigate transistors when moving from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge, so AMD ain't doing too badly IMO if they gain ~10-15%, increase base clockspeeds and retain the same 125w TDP on the 8xxx series.
In addition if Vishera OCs like Zambezi then we're in for a good time. I'm not the least bit concerned about how much power Vishera draws, even when OC'ed. With a ~$200 price tag for the FX-8350 (in the U.S.), I expect a lot of people will be all over these chippies like white-on-rice.
Price tag is great, and THIS IS first real upgrade for Phenom II owners. First FX was not, 2nd generation is.
AMD FX-8350 "Vishera" Linux Benchmarks
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag..._vishera&num=1Quote:
For many of the Linux computational benchmarks carried out in this article, the AMD FX-8350 proved to be competitive with the Intel Core i7 3770K "Ivy Bridge" processor.
There is nothing xtreme about crying over power bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDforME
yeah, it is possible, FX-8150 in under Linux better then Sandy Bridge, but who has Linux?Quote:
Originally Posted by cezar
I guess for what it is and if price is good...not bad at least we're not going backwards like bulldozer was
the phoronix test really looks good... maybe i'll upgrade to win8 (with a start button tool tho), then only the software makers have to move :)
AMD's roadmap that has been out for some time shows ~15 gains with each iteration; Piledriver, Steamroller and Excavator. I have no doubt that they will achieve this goal which represents a pretty healthy performance gain when it's ~15% over each prior iteration.
AMD is basically the choice for those who want the most bang-for-the-buck and/or do not want to support an unscrupulous company like Intel. Both are excellent reasons to buy AMD. Thankfully we have a choice and can vote with our wallet.
Thanks to Olikan from AT forum for the link. Yeah,it's kind of a review of 8350 :).
Odd selection of tests but Vishera does pretty good,even better when you consider it costs <200$. X264 encoding results are only lower than intel's most expensive 1K$ CPUs. In games it does well also. Power draw tests show(if done correctly) that 8350 draws similar power as FX8120 (both at stock) under full load, and considerably less in idle state. That's 20+W less than FX8150 in their chart.
edit: damn, Olivon beat me by 2 minutes :)
I am going to try and run Gentoo Linux with my FX 8350, since it will compile the entire OS with optimizations for Piledriver and every piece of software installed thats FOSS will be compiled with GCC PD optimizations. This is what PD looks like with a benchmark suite that isn't all ICC compiled crap (the *marks, Cinebench R11.5).Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
I do expect FX 8350 to do somewhat worse than this in Win7 benchmarks, no doubt. Does it not raise eye brows to you guys that FX 8350 demolishes 3770k at C-Ray yet loses at Cinebench? They're doing the same thing.
Not up on my french, assuming these are at default clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
The "excellente surprise" part looks good though.
Yeah. That's power consumption @stock and a 5GHz screen with 1.45v applied on BIOS. Max boot was 5.2GHz during their test.
20watts less at stock looks good, maybe after OC its going to be on par with phenom II OC.
No big changes in perf in any tests tho, where it was good its slightly better, when it was bad its slightly less bad :-/.
Im really hoping it isnt such a power hog after OC, 5ghz stable with a reasonably high power consumption should be ok performance wise.
It still isnt all round better than ancient phenom II`s tho.Eh.
Any confirmation from AMD if AM3+ is going to get steamroller upgrade ?
Thanks for the info. It looks like 5 GHz. may be accessible to many with Vishera? What were you using for cooling and how hot did the CPU get full load @ ~5 GHz. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
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Originally Posted by cezar
I would have likd to see a Thuban core processor added to that list of results too
The site is not working for me? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
Looks like they have pulled the plugs on all of the early reviewsQuote:
Originally Posted by BlindShot
Listed @ NewEgg $219.99... :D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ssors-Desktops
Hopefully Micro-Center will have them tomorrow too!
according to this AMD slide the 8350 should be priced at $195.00Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2278251
yah newegg always does that though
FX-8320 is $179.99
i expect the prices to settle once the bulldozer FX get slashed on sale
maybe some nice black friday deals for the 8150/8120....say $99?
I'll be checking TD, If I remember correctly when BD came out last year they had some promotional pricing for a couple of days.
Microcenter site is down?
Looks like it to me too.
Newegg and others tend to add on a few $$$ to price gouge those who must have the item A.S.A.P. It looks like the true Retail price for the FX-8350 without shipping, will be right around $200 from the low price U.S. Big Box stores. Add $10. for shipping or include it in the price for "Free Shipping" and you're at $210. so Newegg is bumping the FX-8350 $10. which compared to some past pricing is pretty reasonable. I'm betting the FX-8350 sell out quickly.
For those who don't know, the prices shown in AMD/Intel channel slides or materials is the Jobber price based on the purchase of 1,000 pcs. The Big Box stores buy in higher volume at lower prices than this and actually sell retail close to the Jobber price - which is tough on the smaller Biz operations...
I bit on the newegg deal. I've got some blackline mushkin 8GB 1.35v sticks, a UD5, 850w PSU, and XSPC Raystorm block with 720 pump/res and RS360 rad waiting. Hopefully it's here by the end of the week. I need a good rendering computer and I could care less about single thread, this proc is perfect for me, specially at this price.
Vishera should work well for your needs - like most people's.
watch what you say around here, that comment will derail this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by AMDforME
please stick to strictly vishera specs, benchs, comparisions, etc....not whether or not you think its ok for most people
thanks
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A..._Review/7.html
power consumption while OC is very nice!
Yes , the hardware.fr 3D rendering result with Vray show a 16.7% improve at the same clock vs Zambezi... :D
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/880-...ray-v-ray.html
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I'm Not looking to derail the conversation and my post certainly should NOT do this. Since this is an AMD Vishera thread I would expect the haters/trolls to stay out and that we are free to post our opinion as in any other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Power consumption and performance have both improved nicely, IMO.
looks good! nice perf bump up and lower Watt consumption.
I will get 8350! Cannt wait. Need fast memory and SSD :p
nice upgrade over phenom II 955 which I run currently
Any review tested CPU-Nb frequency impact?
Nobody so far reviewed the chip with OCed NB. But if it behaves similarly to 8150 then you won't see much of an improvement and the sweet spot is around 2.4Ghz.
What I read to time, I saw onlz one review with CPU/NB OC - 2600 MHy no more, but thez had not much good board for tweaking(990FX-UD3)
LOoks good,
power consumption is better, specially after OC, 5.1 GHz 1.5V FX-8350 has -70W comparsion with 4.9 GHz FX-8150 1.5V as example
IPC clock for clock is 5-7% better, only x87 is shi*y
FX-8320 is better than FX-8150 in performance
12V trail is lower in load with FX-8350
some improvements in real gaming (5-15% clock to clock!)
CPU/NB 2600mhz is ok ,but it just gain a little performance from stock.
For example : in 3Dsmax11 + Vray , it's just about 1%+ faster when you raise from DDR 1600/CPUNB 2.2ghz to DDR3 1866/CPUNB 2.6ghz . It's also the same when I tested with X246 encode .
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hmentid=130192
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Thanks,i hoped for better but rendering tests are not the best way to see cpu-nb scaling.Please test with some games like Starcraft II or Skyrim.Thanks :)
Exciting news! The fact that Techreport reluctantly recommends it speaks highly of this product...
The prices on the 6 core variants are simply amazing. I think i know what im getting for Christmas. :)
Thanks for the links.
P.S. if anyone can link 6core reviews including power usage overclocked that would be muuuuch appreciated.
but where is for $195? Newegg wants $220
because they want to sell out their 8150 stock firstQuote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
The 6300 looks to be the best since it OC to 5ghz easy
I'm very happy that power consumption is improved over bulldozer. I was very skeptical seeing Trinity power consumption, which is on the same process... but reviews have proven otherwise. Power is definitely tamed and better perf/watt. I would call this a definitive 'upgrade' for Phenom II users.
FX-6300 looks to be the sweetspot! Tempted to get a solid 970 board and pair it up with one... :). Thats a lot of bang for about $200
any vendors other than Newegg so far? I'm a cheap bastard and refuse to pay sales tax (NJ resident) on Newegg in additional to early price gouging
Local Microcenter has them at the same price... I'm going to go pick one up before work.
I'm sure the price will drop to MSRP pretty quickly, but I'm willing to bite the bullet (even on tax). ;)
Guess I need to go back to my "Hardware Anonymous" meetings!
hmm MC doesn't have 6300s yet looks like. Guess ill just have to wait...
Hope for some good mobo combo deals
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Originally Posted by fakhrain
http://prohardver.hu/dl/cnt/2012-10/...8350_cpuid.png
I was right.:p:
Oliverda: tomorow will be time for your review...Now I have first 27 reviews done :)...tired (maybe it was 8h-10h readings...)
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...408737&garpg=3
That site has AMD confirmed info that resonant clock mesh is not included. Other thing is instruction cache is still only 2x32kb, whereas trinity has 2x64kb.
Still that doesnt matter much and site stated that it can be called piledriver core. Anyway I think then with Steamroller will come RCM and 2x 64kb I Cache + New Decoder + 28nm.
Site found higher consumption tho, sadly. But there are fluctuations in the chips also i'd say.
where did they get 32Kbytes ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
it's 64Kbytes for a module are they talking about splitting between two cores ? ?:confused:?
there is no resonant mesh in Vishera, on Trinity die-shot is visible (caps) and on die-shot of Vishera is notQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
That's interesting. Is it official?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
That's a very good review anyway.:yepp:
I'm sorry, Vishera has 2x16, Trinity has 2x32. Not 64 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
Bottom line is, vishera is piledriver minus RCM and wider instruction cache.
P3D has asked AMD as far as I know and they stated vishera doesnt have it.
From that i think there will be either a piledriver 2 or steamroller WITH rcm, where we will see additional effects in terms of power consumption.
Bulldozer (Zambezi), Vishera and Trinity have the same cache subsystem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
L1I: 1x64kB for 1 module
L1D: 2x16kB for 1 module
L2: 1x2048kB for 1 module
Nice comparison of FX-4300 vs A10-5800K by Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=675#
It seems that Trinity does a little bit better (prolly negligible) in content creation and productivity tests, while Vishera has its edge in gaming, probably due to the additional L3 cache.
Dammit I got it now: It is the Instruction Window that is bigger in trinity. Vishera has 2x16 byte, Trinity has 1x32 byte.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Guess thats not that important? Dammit I thought they have bigger cache...
Not really. Vishera (Piledriver v2) includes all Trinity (Piledriver v1) enhancements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Actually Piledriver v2 includes some additional enhancements over v1. link
there is most reviews guys, who dont know much about Vishera, read example 10 reviews at least.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5145907
Then my source is wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Hey guys, does anyone know if the reviewers are using an up to date version of Skyrim in their tests? I believe there's a pretty big increase in CPU performance between the release and Dawnguard versions
I doubt they use the updated version but who knows. For some reason (compiler used?) Skyrim performs noticeably worse on BD than it does on intel hardware. It's odd since in many other games the difference is not that noticeable.
Yes, there was a compiler problem. I remember using this mod: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/12/mod...uld-be-faster/ and then some of the later patches apparently incorporated the same improvements. It would be interesting to see a comparison between an 8350 and a 3570 with fully up to date versions of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
You can tell if a program is compiled with ICC by opening up the exe with a hex editor, searching for the text string "intel", and stumbling upon text that talks about enabled Pentium 4 and great Intel CPU optimizations. Cinebench r11.5 has these strings.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
It's not the case with Skyrim at least. From the sounds of it the devs simply didn't bother to enable any compiler optimisations, such as SSE1/2/3 etc. I can't find any evidence it uses the Intel compiler.
is not, Oliverda is wrong, his article is full of BS, there is not resonant mesh and other improvements over trinityQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
It relies on x87...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Ok I' now pretty sure pedant guy is OBR's new forum account :P