This mobo is great for oc-ing your ram.I overclocked my cellshock c5 at 1290 cas4@2.95v and 1070 cas3@3.15v.If i set my timings at cas5 the score is even lower :woot:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=189806
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This mobo is great for oc-ing your ram.I overclocked my cellshock c5 at 1290 cas4@2.95v and 1070 cas3@3.15v.If i set my timings at cas5 the score is even lower :woot:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=189806
You could try small FFT and then large FFT. If you hold the small test and fail large that could = ram.
All I tell can you is my ram can run low speed relaxed timings on relatively low voltage and when I go high speed tighter timings I have to ramp up the voltage. Orthos definitely needs more voltage to be stable.
IMO you shouldn't be failing Orthos on 2.2v @ DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 and I don't believe testing @ anywhere from 2.24v to 2.35v is going to kill peformance ram. Personally, I wouldn't go over 2.5v and would use active cooling post 2.4v.
:D :lol2:Quote:
I meant 2.28-2.35v
Continue my trouble shooting. The IDE compability is really bad with this mainboard.
I think the problem with my 74 gig Raptor is that it always gets identified as slave to my 34 Gig Raptor. Doesn´t matter how much I try to change the SATA cables. Which btw is almost impossible to reach in my stacker... It´s a 5 min struggle for each cable.
Anyway it´s obviously this driver that have real performance issues on this mainboard. Tried copying files less then 4 minutes with all my other harddrives (2 WD 5000KS, Seagate 7200.10, WD Raptor 34 and 34 minutes with the 74 gig. The 74 gig is the only one identified as slave....
I also tried to configure a raid setup with my 5000KS 500 gig harddrives but since I can´t boot with any setting other then "IDE" I can´t use my RAID setup.
Anyone got Raid or AHCI mode to work?
How do you connect your sata for your raptors??
To the lower SATA ports. thought they was what became master but seems anything else. All my harddrives except the 74 gig Raptor identifies as master. I have disconnected the Seagate 7200.10 harddrive in hope of the 74 becoming the fourth master but no...
As mentioned in BIOS I must run IDE or the computer will bluescreen when loading windows???
Hi i have a q6600 at 3.6ghz ..1.4vcore bla blah...
the little black things above the cpu socket labled r 27 are pretty bloody hot..
i didnt notice this with my e6600 at 4ghz with 1.7 vcore....
any help with this matter ???
and when is to hot ..to hot ???????
cheers Hori.
From my experience with other boards, I stuck some VGA ramsinks on them, before I even turned the board on for the first time ;)
is correct i don't understand your problem. I am using all 6 sata slots. 1~4 use my hitachi sata2 x80gb. 5 & 6 hold my data drives.Quote:
SilentGlow
There are only 4 master SATA drives possible on this board (the 3th&4th connector acts as slave). So if you use lower ports the middle one is slave no matter what you do.
just connarect any drives u wish to boot to to sta 1&2 or 4&6.
The problems is the extremely craptacular performance. However it seems to work better now.
I had the problems figuring out with ports is slaves and such? First it appeard to be the lower cases being slaves. It don´t help that it take 5 minutes per cable to change the sata ports either lol.
Anyway will see how it works now. Currently I run the Seagate as slave it seems to do much better at it.
but is there a fix for this RAID/AHCI issue? Can I run raid through some software in windows even if I boot as IDE?
Shouldn't you first set up raid and then install the system with proper driver (ofc if you want the sys to be on the raid set)? Or at least install raid driver before switching from IDE option in bios (if you want to add a raid set in system)?
Did you try
Intel Matrix Storage Manager - it also contains raid/ahci drivers.
If you did so, then excuse my dumb questions/obvious suggestions :)
hmm definiatly worth a shot. Why isn´t the drivers included with the mainboard? Have been there on all previous mainboards I have used lol.
Hmm, I'm almost sure they can be found on commando cd - there's a section "make disk" in which you can prepare driver disk. But I have to check when I get home.
currently installing my watercooling. I am going to remove the stock chipset cooling but does it use thermal adhesive? It sits really hard is it just pads or do I need to bring the heat gun to the table?
I guess they saved a bunch of money on floppydisks. Go with vista although crappy beta drivers all over it does come with "inbuilt" raid drivers @ install but no fdisk!
just create a floppy on ur 2 computer with the aforementioned driver cd that u did get bundled. But itīs a pita if u donīt happen to own a second system,.
yeah though I dualboot currently so should be able to fix it somehow.
As for the mainboard it´s definiatly glued on. If I use any more force I will ruin the board. Also thermal adhesive you can´t really clean so I think I will just let it be... Maybe I got a newer or older revision... The only thing that isn´t glued is the mosfets. Those have no thermal paste at all.
U did remove the pins?? they barely use any thermal paste wtf would they use thermal adhesive:eek: see
of course I did lol. But yeah the north and south bridge it doesn´t even move a millimetre...
NB & SB were pretty hard stuck when I removed them so I used my mom's hairdryer to heat them up. With thin gloves for protection of fingers it was quite easy task to remove them finally with a little twist.
ok was it easy to clean the junk off? Also is it safe to use say arctic silver 5 or arctic ceramique on the mosfets?
Does anyone know if it's possible to use the Thermalright HR05 on both the north and southbridge?
Was planning on doing that and getting that thermalright mosfet heatsink and completely removing the stock cooling.
I've had the NOCTUA NC-U6 which is pretty similar to the thermalright.
This has mounted on nb fine with a thermalright ultra 120 & a zalman 9500 AT. U can't mount is on the sb if u have a 2 slot gfx card, the exhaust slot blocks the sb.
currently i'm running with Zalman ZM-NB32K North Bridge
needs a bit of modding:D
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~chsm...ture%20021.jpg
but works a treat
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~chsm...ture%20013.jpg
luck:D
HR05 sli should work fine on SB with dual slot gfx.
This is how I set mine up. Thermaltake Spirit 2 on SB and NB. Microcool ramsinks on Mosfets.
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how's this thing for quad core overclocking?
I can't complain...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5713/70820831ot3.jpg
Can you tell me what's your stable max speed? I remember you posting that as a suicide shot. Thanks.
Well, I ran Wprime 32M at 3900, and SuperPi 32M, Cinebench 95 and 3dMark06 at 3850.
It's watercooled (240 rad) but everything is inside the (closed) case, with silent fans, so temps are my limit atm and I am not pushing too far for 24/7.
Had it running at 400x9 for 3-4 days, running 3dMark loopes overnight and I didn't get any crashes or errors, just scary temps in the high 70s. Now that it's getting warmer here, I'll leave it at 400x8 and wait for my D9s before I start another benchmark session.
I have to say the Commando handles 400MHz fsb quite easily. I am worried about my rams though (Gskill 2GBPK), because after 410-415, multi-core prime fails after 2 seconds on the memory test (blend) while it handles small FFTs for hours...
From teh R.O.G site...
QUOTE: ASUS Commando Motherboard Enables System Bus Overclock up to 2,280MHz
http://rog.asus.com/about_news.aspx?news_id=16
http://www.asus.com/999/images/news/...news1218-1.gif
Well, same rams can cause different behaviour on different boards, and the opposite. I have the Gskill 2GBPK and could get them to ~950 with the 533/800 divider and 4-4-4-12, no probs. But 533/533 and 533/667, they gave me trouble: some times they would run 3dMark loops overnight and then BSOD when starting Firefox...
Today I changed them with a pair of D9GMH-based Cellshocks, and this is what I got:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5959/winrarsj2.jpg
So I guess it's all about the sub-timings that we don't have access to, through the BIOS and how much they affect the memory's behaviour when overclocking. I am pressuming that my 2GBPKs propably kept a sub-timings at a very tight value, with specific dividers, and that stopped them from working properly (or the easier expanation, that Commando doesn't like them :) )
the vcore shown in cxpu-z is meaningless on this mobo. Stock voltage is i think 1.35vQuote:
Yet there it is: 1.152v
chosen what volts are u running on the cellshock to get to 1200??
i just run mine @stock 4:5 = 1000 on 400.with 2.3v
Haven't done the Vdroop pencil mod yet, therefore I need to give 1.525 in the BIOS, to get around 1.46 at full load for 3600. The Cellshocks are fed 2.250V for the 5-5-4-5 at 1200, but the BIOS HW Monitor shows 2.280 when I select 2.250, so there seems to be some overvolting in the Vdimm (Asus trying to balance the voltage drop on the Vcore? :p )
Weird behaviour from this ram to be honest, it needed 2.325V for 1000MHz and 4-4-4, and 2.350V for 800MHz and 3-3-3, but only 2.250V (effectively 2.280) for 1200MHz and 5-5-4-5...
I just put an 8 cm fan over them and will do some tests between 2.350-2.450V.
got rid of the heatsinks now. There is some stupid tape on the south bridge... Is there possible to get rid of it. Thinking of heatgun perhaps but that may just make it stick harder???
some was left on the south bridge as well annoying...
As for mosfets I noticed it has some kind of mat. Seeing how loose the heatsink fit I think maybe I would loose more by replacing that with Arctic Ceramique then what I gain?
Anyone here that has any experience with this?
edit: AS purifier is more efficient then I thought :)
:D . It must vary by mobo. I put a mm on mine & was suprised how close probe was, much closer than the dfi neo4 i had b4 which always overvolted ram.Quote:
(Asus trying to balance the voltage drop on the Vcore? :p )
however having said that i don't think this board has the stability of the nf4 vdimm which although over was always pretty level. This must favour me trying to walk a white line after a decent night out:D
As a rough rule of thumb the vcore you see in probe is about 0.06v below what it is set to in bios. that's rough & ready. On low volts the gap is <.06 on higher more.Quote:
So, is BIOS then the only way to measure vcore on the Commando?
It can be useful. If your trying some overclocks & are unsure whay vcore to use, set to auto boot to OS load probe & check vcore. Make a note of it & then go into bios & use that value instead of auto. 9/10 it'll run stabily & a bit cooler, as auto tends to overvolt to ensure stability
luck:)
Just arrived Commando. Before it I had P5BD. First impression: commando worse. I have some question about it:
1. setfsb for P5BD works very bad. I can move fsb only ~ +-100fsb. On P5BD I did anything I want. Is it have to be so?
2. I can`t set 500fsb from default 266fsb in windows by setfsb. But I can load 500fsb from BIOS. Is it have to be so?
3. Conroe 6400 (did 4.2GHz (525*8) under 7000BTU chiller) + Vapo Ls - Get max 512fsb. When I tried to move fsb to 514 - I got some SB error. After that setfsb closed. Why?
4. Will I get some extra fsb cooling NB by chiller?
...I want 600FSB :`(
As Sarek so poignantly said: It is difficult to answer when one does not understand the question.
In other words: I don't really understand what you're saying, or asking. You says something about "Commando sucks", and there're some statements about the inability to get FSB to 500Mhz on P5B.
If you get the FSB on 500, via the BIOS, then what's the problem? You're the proud owner of a Vapochill LS; so I reckon you know a thing or two about the need for cooling. And yes, lol, at 600Mhz FSB you'll definitely need to cool NB/SB too.
I need to boot 399 FSB for benching cause I dont want change strap. On P5BD I did 565FSB stable without any problems with setfsb. Thx for answer. I`m still want to know why I have problems with setfsb (sb error >512fsb and freezing if I cange fsb ~+-100)...Quote:
If you get the FSB on 500, via the BIOS, then what's the problem?
2 hours ago:
just find out that all users have problems with setfsb and we should use clockgen :)
mine managed better fsb than it does with my E6600..
No record but had it easilly at 8x460 fsb today...my E6600 gave me trouble with this .i thought it was my memory..now i know it must of been the cpu ..maybe
445fsb was a stable situation before and when i lowerd multi to test ram it wouldnt do much more....
i want to try 7 multi tonight to see how it all goes..hard to find out whats the best for my Commando..but in general i think this board is Good Stuff !!!!
and im glad i bit the bullit and ditched my P5B-Delux.
Hello everyone
Can anybody help me i have just flashed to 0902 bios and now my raid disk are now "offline members" tried flashing back but no joy! Is this my time for my first raid failure?
use CLT+I and delete ore reset raid disk?
Whats the max stable FSB you can get on quads to run 24/7 with this?
I am new to overclocking so since I got so much info from this thread and I haven't seen too many with E4300, I thought I would post my stable oc to return the favor, I hope it helps someone. I used the pencil mod it works awesome, thanks! :clap:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7...enshot1td5.png
Sorry for the pic, will try to fix soon.
@farside007
30-34
@farside007 (SORRY FOR LAST POST)
30-34 deg ???? with 1400 mhz above stock ? what is your cooling ? even in idle it's nice. What temp at load !?
thanks
Load temps on ortho are 54-58 max. My ambient is only about 20 celsius though. I'm using a kingwin AS-3000 budget watercooling kit, cpu block installed only. I'm pretty much maxed for heat though, it was my first time using water so it worked out okay, next upgrade I know better not to buy a kit. If you haven't tried the pencil mod I would suggest you do, it made the biggest difference in bringing temps/voltage down and increased stability.
I've been reading through this thread all day, just wanted to post my results.
I just got my stuff yesterday,
e6600 L644F
Commando
2gb gSkill HZ (800mhz variant)
also runnning with a Scythe Ninja and FSP-550 (has 8-pin power connector, no PCI-E though :( ) in a Super Lanboy (stock, I have another in pieces in my room, hopefully I'll do something soon that will make it cooler).
Early results:
-this CPU sucks, flat out sucks, with 1.4v it's failing Orthos around 3ghz, with 1.5v it limps to 3-3.1ghz (I stopped testing after a few hours) but the vCore seemed high and the temp was mid-60s
-the RAM is amazing, 1000mhz, 5-5-5-15 on 2.2v, I think this is supposed to be D9 stuff but I'm not sure, leaving the spreaders on for the warrenty (just in case)
-the Commando is a fantastic board, I love all the options in the BIOS and it easily has one of the best layouts I've ever seen on a board.
So right now I'm hoping that burning in this proc might help it, my friend got his e6600 to 3.5ghz on a P5B Dlx (back around xmas time, right when the steppings were really good) with maybe one night of testing, just set and go. I've been fighting with this getup for a few days now and it's starting to look bleak. Pretty upset that I went for the e6600 when I think the e6320s are doing about the same.
The motherboard seems to be fantastic though, I'm tempted to try and work during school (in college, taking classes during the summer to be a better co-op canidate) and save for a quad-core since those seem to be getting the good chips.
Sorry to be a noob but.....
I have read the manual and it doesnt seem to clarify which slots for the ram sticks i have 2 x 1gb to put in there, does it mattter which side in channel A and B?
Thanks in advance
put the sticks in the same color slots doesnt matter which ones the blue one is number 1 and 3.
Thanks for you reply, so what would happen if i put them in 1 and 4 slots?
the ram would not run in dual-channel mode (slower)
manual seem pretty plain see 2.4.1 page 2-14
Channel A = Dimm A1 & A2
Channel B = Dimm B! & B2
Although I must admit the labllking on diagram is pretty stupid, leaving the impression that a1&a2 are adjacent as are b1&b2
This is a pic with my ram in slots a1 and b2 its wierd because my pc seems to boot alot quicker this way here is a screen shot of cpuz showing dual channels http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...tkw/memory.jpg If i have missed something i apologise i just find it interesting:)
Supershanks good win on tuesday! can they beat AC, 05 all over again! I hope so Gerrard is a legend mate! Ok i found what i needed cheers mate and good luck for the final
NEW BIOS v1001
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...mmando1001.zip
I couldn't flash with asusupdate 70903.I found an updated (today) version 70903 of the program at ftp.I'll try again and post the results..
Flash with floppy or usb stick asus update kinda sucks
You're right.The updated version didn't work either.I flashed with afudos.I couldn't see any changes.The bios date is 17/4..
I have installed bios 1001, confirmed and working by me :)
again can someone please post what changes have been made ?
I have no idea WTF Asus was thinking with what theyve done to the vcore but its really pissing me off now...... Before vdroop mod, setting 1.7-1.75v in bios gives 1.63v actual, set it at 1.7625 and above gives actual voltage.... After vdroop mod, you get no droop till you hit 1.7v, 1.7v to 1.75v gives the same voltage of 1.7v actual but when you set it to 1.7625v it jumps straight to 1.82v:mad: ....... So pre mod, you lose 1.64-1.75v and post mod you lose 1.71v to 1.81v, WTF is the point of doing this?.... :confused:
@Drager2, with stock nb cooling, my max fsb at 1066strap was ~490fsb, I replaced it with HR05 and it improved to ~502fsb but max fsb stayed the same at 552fsb...... Last time I benched I used dry ice to cool the nb and 1066strap increased to ~520fsb but max of 552fsb is the same... Just found out my cpu has fsb wall at 552fsb cos it did 562fsb on an E6300......
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/oc/nbcooled.JPG
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/oc/e63333.jpg
After further testing, I found out the reason I was rock-stable at 400MHz fsb but couldn't complete POST at 405MHz, was because of an FSB hole around 400-420.
So I lowered the multiplier, and jumped the fsb to 440MHz, and presto! Fully stable, gaming, 3D and 1+ hour of 4ple Prime:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9207/440yi0.jpg
Next step was around 460MHz, which also proved stable. Things started getting "blue" ( ;) ) at around 480MHz, so I backed down to 440Mhz for the time being, where I am planning to leave it for a week or so, before I start stress testing at 460MHz.
Voltages are the same as the ones I had for 400MHz, which is 1.4V Vfsb and 1.55V Vnb (stock heatpipe cooling + low rpm 80mm fan over NB)
Are there any problems in running 4GB memory with this board (4x 1GB sticks)? Will it still be dual-channel?
Also, anyone have a QX6800 on this board? How does it clock?
Thx.
Cellshock c5@2.95v:smoke: + Asus Commando
1290 c4 @ 2.95v
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=189806
I give them up to 3.1v ( mesured with multimeter) but oc was the same
1070 c3 @ 3.1v( forgot to validate:slapass: )
http://shrani.si/?535c3y1vb.png
Max spi1m on air C2D E6600@4067MHz, 1.7v | Cellshock c5 2x1gb DDR2-1000@1016 4-4-3-5 | Asus Commando
http://shrani.si/files/zajebanuxaqk.png
And a suicide sreenshot at 4.1ghz@1.7v on air
http://shrani.si/thumbs/untitledztz5.png
I am having an issue, ever since I have got a new conroe and try to update the bios to either 902 or 1001 after a few reboots the bios will post and right before loading windows it will just lock, this has happend with both bios's listed now back to 0803
I was running blend for 14 hours then my rig just rebooted, from there I ram some memtest and got errors so I upped the voltage one and no errors but could the reboot be from the ram or the cpu because before I was getting a lot of bluescreens, now just a reboot ?
here are my settings
CPU vcore : 1.4625 bios 1.43 under load
FSB term : 1.2
NB : 1.325
Memory voltage : just over 2.2v
SB : 1.5
SB chipset : 1.050
390x9 3.5ghz ram at 4:5 487.5mhz 4-4-4-10
I was thinking of bumping the FSB down to 389 to see if that makes any difference ? or now that I have no memory errors try orthos blend again, I just find it weird no bluescreen just a reboot so can that be ram related ?
I bet it's your ram. Not that it's bad or anything, but I am pretty much convinced now, that it's all down to the ram sub-timings that we don't have access to, through BIOS. In any case, the 400MHz mark seems to be the point where a lot of things change, when it comes to ram+fsb cooperation.
Also, the above tests were not possible with my previous ram (Gskill 2GBPK) which although was stable to up to 950MHz with a divider different to 1/1, when I set 1/1, it would crap out around 840 (either the ram or the chipset/fsb).
With the new ram (Cellshock 800MHz D9) all the options work...
bump
(still reading this thread, so I can't let it die :) )
Hi!
I've this motherboard and with a C2D E6600, how can i decrease the multi?
diplomatan1 RTFM! Advanced > CPU Configuration > Modify ratio Support > Enabled.
My questions: Is it true that this mobo doesnt have 1600strap? I cant load 500fsb after stock. I have to load 450fsb first and only after that 500. So everybody has such bug?
trying to install the matrix storage controller on my commando on vista but it says it doesnīt meet the minimum requirements??? Core 2 duo E6600, 8800 GTX 5 sata drives...
No probs mate. I moved to the P5K Deluxe now, as the Commando killed my QX6700 and I thought it was the board that died.
Did the Vdroop mod, booted with the 1.4V from BIOS, monitor showed 1.544V. Reset to defaults and now monitor shows correct voltages under load:
1.35 in BIOS shows 1.35
1.4 -> 1.4
1.45 -> 1.44
1.5 -> 1.49
1.55 -> 1.53
Ran a 3dMark06 at 3900 with 1.55, got a D3D driver error, rebooted, got "Bad BIOS checksum" message. Attempted BIOS recovery with the Asus CD and a USB key with the latest BIOS renamed to "COMMANDO.ROM", on reboot got the same message (that happened several times).
Tried 3 cards (8800GTS + 8800GTX + X600 Pro), 3 sets of ram (Gskill 2GBPK, Cellshock D9s, El-cheapo 256Mb 533MHz), 2 PSUs (Hiper 580W, Seasonic S12 600W), but unfortunately I did not try a 2nd proc...
So I RMA'd the Commando, got the P5K-Dlx, first boot gave me the exact same message Commando gave me :/
So after using 3 sets of ram, 2 PSUs, 3 gfx cards and 2 boards, my fear of a dead QX6700 came to life. The proc is now sent to hipro for an attempt to revive (proc boots the board(s) but doesn't complete POST)
So happy that the P5K board doesn't need a Vdroop mod...
hi ya I'm running a Q6600 on a commando. So far very good results and quite stable too. I'm wondering what the max voltages are for the NB ( is it 1.6Volts ? ) etc etc,
I understand there is a FSB hole with these mother boards around 345-400hz is that right .?
and has any got any BIOS settings ? for over clocked cpu's ? ( I mean a quick and dirty guide. ) as there are many settings that I don't know the meaning . ( I come from AMD over clocking ) So far I just leave the other settings on AUTO for now.
Just got the Commando and ran str8 into this problem of the Tras setting stuck at 18 despite BIOS settings (version 1001) on my Crucial PC5300 Tracers - any alternative fix other than flashing the RAM sticks?
Thx.
PS: If not, is there a good guide on using SPDTool to adjust the Tras somewhere?
i'm using e4300 on my commando, but i'm set multi on 8x or 7x in everest and system about windows mark as 9x. example: running e43 in 266x8x = 1866 ok? but in windows and coretemp .95 and everest last version mark as 2400 = 9x266
it's normal?
and other problem, when i open coretemp .95 in windows i'm get a bluescreen crash :down: how to fix this?
using bios 1001, winxp 32 with lasted drivers installeds
btw, since no one has mentioned it yet - S3 sleep/resume works beautifully on this mobo (on 1001).
Has anyone tried to place Commando upside down in an inverted ATX style case such as Stacker 830 or Lian Li? Will the heatpipes operate normally or is it unsafe?
New BIOS for Commando, BIOS v1302
Gonna check it out soon :)
Khapz 1.Maybe yes. Check cpu freq in CPU-z. 2. Use old core temp.
BenchZowner We`re waiting
It'll be great if this new BIOS fixes the stuck at 18 tRAS for D9GMH DDR667 Crucial sticks, waiting too.
:)
E6300@475FSB 1:1 with 4GB Crucials (2 x Tracers, 2 x 10th Annivs), note the tRAS stuck is at 18 bug (grrrrrrr!). Hope new BIOS can solve the tRAS bug, really dampens mood to push the o'c.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...o/475FSB_1.jpg
NB: Vcore set 1.45v, Vdimm 2.10v, NB 1.3v, FSB 1.3v, SB 1.1v, all others Auto.