No, I teach programming and old school assembly code bumming to the best and the brightest students in my classes [and those with old school hands on imperative attitude]Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
No, I teach programming and old school assembly code bumming to the best and the brightest students in my classes [and those with old school hands on imperative attitude]Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
The igp of Zacate is awesome to make up the cpu frequency bottleneck xD.
Batman Arkham Asylum 1024x768 High
Athlon II X4 620 2.6Ghz + HD3300 + sideport
14fps
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00_2600mhz.jpg
Zacate 1.6Ghz dual core + 80SP igp
16fps
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...acate-8898.jpg
Anand
^set your cpu to 1.6ghz if you can (or use CnQ to limit it to a certain mhz) and see how bad the framerate drops then
I'll use K10STAT, just a moment.
Athlon II X4 620 @1.6Ghz + HD3300 + sideport
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00_1600mhz.jpg
Seems to have enough juice with a dual core in this game.
Use K10stat and you can pick any multi under the default one.
As for Zacate,we should keep in mind it uses single ch. ddr3. So the results are really very very good.
If I change processor number in msconfig I can boot with just 2 cores right?
Also:
Cr@ptastic Atom Cedar Trail
1fps (anand article comments page6)
you might just want to set core affinity in task manager after you start up the game, i think that can work to limit it to 2 cores without much workQuote:
Originally Posted by Nintendork
I did that, same fps, 13.
thanks Nintendork, interesting comparison
now take out a stick of ram :p
My HD3300 will feel bad -_-.
This is the Athlon II X2 Neo K325 1.3Ghz + HD4225 (not my review)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKClt...eature=related
Starcraft 2:
Texture quality medium, the rest on low.
That's funny because I told some of my colleagues who are economists about supply and demand curves not existing and they had a pretty big laugh about the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
when you mentioned the whole economic downturn.... it doesn't apply to why prices are set at one level or another, or why x company releases y numbers of products within their product line.
When I go to my final post-grad exams I will try not to explain graphically how market forces affect supply and demand, "because those curves simply do not exist" ;)
;);););)
Well then you know not to trust them at least :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
and BTW, when are all those signed NDA's gonna expire?
"no leaks" = "no discussion"
I dont get this whole 3d gaming on igp thing, Dont get me wrong, AMD kills Intel in every metric with all gpu performance but when it comes to igp gaming is 16fps and 1 fps not the same i.e uplayable?
Um people don't just play all the latest, graphically demanding games. If they did I'm sure they would not be playing on this platform and instead gaming on their desktop/laptop with discrete graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Why test them then? What games could igps play at a good 30-40 fps? 4+ year old titels? To me the whole thing is stupid, you will just kill the battry to to play a old game in low quality settings? Even if intel does a awsome job with sb whats the point if it only playes games at 20fps?
That's on high. On medium Batman moves arround 25-30fps. Any modern game can be played around that number in low/low-medium (not all dudes want high settings with 8xAA, just enjoy gaming or doing it in their beds). And there's also the mmo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
For what you get there's nothing bad. Same can be said for people that just a buy a pc and not want a dedicated gpu because they're not hardcore gamer, play eventually or just want to save money.
A lot of older games are better than the now scriptedashell-hollywood-like games.
And you forget Llano, the igp of that chip can move Crysis in high and any modern game with decent fps (HD5550/9600GSO~)
correct, people also like to play strategy games such as civilization series, and the likes, and others, having a netbook which will not drain your battery life whilst you play games of these sorts is surely a plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by richierich
since I've owned a few netbooks and CULV's I can surely say that one's gaming demands change depending on the platform utilized, hence why I think zacate will be a true platform standard for this market segment.
Lets wait and see first what 17W ULV SB paltform will offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
How much more will it cost though? $100 more?Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
For a complete Fusion-type chip based on SB core,and in order to compete with Ontario,intel would have to lower the clocks drastically(both on the CPU and GPU side).I doubt that kind of product would have any chance competing feature-wise with Ontario.
As for the Ontario's IGP,this would be a good guess as for the level of performance and possible power draw :
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI...0.13885.0.html
The GPU above is done on 55nm node.Add in the 40nm effect and no other components(not needed due to CPU integration) and you can see the power draw drops drastically from 12W.Quote:
Manufacturer ATI
Mobility Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
Mobility Radeon HD 4570 80@680MHz
Mobility Radeon HD 4550 80@550MHz
Mobility Radeon HD 4530 80@500MHz
Mobility Radeon HD 4350 80@450MHz
Codename M92-XT
Pipelines 80 - unified
Core Speed * 680 MHz
Shader Speed * 680 MHz
Memory Speed * 800 MHz
Memory Bus Width 64 Bit
Memory Type GDDR3, DDR2, DDR3
Shared Memory no
DirectX DirectX 10.1, Shader 4.1
Transistors 242 Million
technology 55 nm
Features OpenGL 2.0, PCI-E 2.0 x16, Powerplay, DisplayPort support up to 2560x1600, HDMI support up to 1920x1080 (both with 7.1 AC3 Audio), 1x Dual-Link/Single-Link DVI, 1x Single-Link DVI Support (all display ports have to be supported by the laptop manufacturer)
Notebook Size small and light
Date of Announcement 09.01.2009
Link to Manufacturer Page http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRa
I don't know. This is one more thing to compare. But i saw i3-330UM noteboks for ~$580.Quote:
Originally Posted by richierich
Ontario/Zacate are build to be cheap(smaller dies than Atom). ULV¿s are just regular sized chips, in their price range Llano low end chips are their competition and will kill them.
and the cheapest atom is 200$ cheaper than i3 with a higher die size than ontario/zacate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
SB CULV is way too expensive to compete with ontarion and zacate, additionally i3 culvs clock at 1.2ghz and their VGA core is clocked extremely low, low end CULV is going to be destroyed by Zacate due to die size (less than 50%); power consumption (several watts lower) and performance (VGA is at least 2-3 times faster than a CULV, CPU is 20-30% slower than a CULV at the same clock speed but clocked 25% higher than the cheapest i3 ;)
Current low end CULVs are going to get owned by Zacate and sandy bridge CULV is going to be at least 2 quarters behind zacate :rolleyes: