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Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Their numbers are way off than everyone else but there might be an explanation for it.
HWC is the only review site from that charts which is running i7 Quad at 4Ghz with turbo on.
Rest all are 3.8ghz or less. ( most are way less than 3.8G )
Firingsquad is the only one which is running 980X but only at 3.3Ghz.
Someone needs to do analysis of how Fermi scales with increase in CPU freq.
So I dont know, that might be the reason for those numbers.
its not an "epic fail" its called a " FERMIFAIL" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
heck, i bet if anyone trys to fold on fermifail, this is the only thing they will see from thier comp... :smoke: :flame:
The 15% number is pretty much established now I think... Anandtech mentioned 15% in their review too. This difference rises in minimum FPS, though, might affect some people's decisions. Obv this means a lower maximum FPS difference, but who cares about max FPS anyway.
btw majord (does this stand for "major chord"? :p:) about the HWC review. Your numbers show 22% over 5870 for 1920 with 4AA, but HWC's own compilation shows 18%:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...GTX480-101.jpg
im not sure about you, but 600w of heat is a lot to try and get rid of. btw, if you dont have enough cooling for it, you will literaly turn the water into steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar
@ 100c water boils, so i hope your pump NEVER fails, unlike the fermifail :)
GTA 4
Finally found a GTA 4 test, looks damn good.. I'm sold
This is what i could gather from reading Anandtech's review of Fermi...
THE GOOD:
- Fastest single GPU
- Size, only 9.5 inches
THE BAD:
- Support for a maximum of 2 monitors only
- HDMI audio still not at par with AMD/ ATI. HTPC users must take note of this
- Cost of the card
THE UGLY:
- 95-96 degree Centigrade at load. HTPC users must take note of this
- Noise. HTPC users must take note of this
- Power consumption in idle is more than a pair of 5870's CF'd idling
- Power consumption at load is about 100W-150W more than 5870 (diff people have quoted diff figures)
- 250W TDP for GTX 480 (with only 480 shaders). Charlie is right with his 295W TDP figure, though that must be for the 512 shaders part.
Then again, AMD/ ATI has covered some ground with Stereo 3D support now included with the 10.3 drivers... so as far as i as a normal user is concerned, i'd rather have a 5870 and if i feel the itch for more power... two of them 5850's OC'd would be more than handy in the price range to kill/ negate any performance advantage of Fermi... they still wouldn't suck as much power as this big mutha does...
Another big disadvantage which is noticed as per my usage was the lackluster support for the audio over HDMI... AMD/ ATI is doing it... now also supporting bit-streaming with their 5 series cards since 6 months or so. Why could or rather wouldn't Nvidia cover this? Oh i do not only game, but watch a lot of hd flicks with hd audio tracks on my pc... which a lot of people do and they should note this.
All in all, i can't seemingly justify a purchase of a GTX480... so i'll catch hold of a sucker who wants to sell two 5870's (yes i know one such guy :P )... will get them both for about or less than $500, and under warranty... :D
There is an important note in regards to stock cooler GTX480 vs 5870 comparison.
5870 can reach 1000MHz GPU clock fairly easily (with 40% fan speed or so), which improves the performance by 17.65% over the stock card. Since GTX480 is around 15-20% faster than stock 5870 and is not quite overclockable on stock cooling (92C in Crysis at sock clocks? 1GHz 5870 is running cooler than that for me...), it might be worth considering going 5870 instead.
hehe no it doesnt stand for that but I almost wish it was now you've said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
OK well I just double checked all the numbers, and only the very last Metro 2033 result that I included in the "AA/AF" field was 16x af but no AA. Still the avg is around 22% so I think they made a mistake and averaged the NON AA results.
They had two seperate 480 and 470 reviews. I got the numbers from the 470 one here, that included the 480.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-3.html
PS- and yes all numbers are avg FPS..
I'd recommend awaiting a review of 5870 with 2 gigs of mem, as this game is notorious for being a ram whore :P More you give it, more it moans :DQuote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
Fantastic GTA IV results. I am an avid GTA IV and STALKER series fan. I am going to hold off until September as my current nVidia card is good enough I think. Besides the 3GB 512 Core version will be out early Q3 (September I hope) and this card will be much cooler, and hopefully quieter too as nVidia continue to perfect the manufacture process.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
A Dual 6GB card is planned too, but this may only see the light of day in "Quadro Land" I got all of this information from my news letter detailing the Quadro and GF100 line ups.
The pricing of these cards in the UK is terrible, the GTX 470 costs more than a HD5870 and the GTX 480 is in between the Vapour-X HD5870 and a standard HD5970 in terms of pricing. (£450)
IMHO The GTX 470 should be priced around the same as the HD5850 and the GTX 480 a shade, just a shade more than a HD5870.
John
I'll be holding off too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
I like the sound of the power within the fermie, there is a lot of potential there. I don't think it is a good enough upgrade at the moment as an initial refresh for it, should help with power/noise.
Once we start seeing more DX11 games, which utilise it, then I may jump on board a DX11 card. Who knows by then, perhaps ATI will give us a refresh with a more powerful tessellation unit or something :shrug:
Various sites have OC'ed GTX 480 to around 770mhz and report 10%'ish performance improvements, which is not too bad. Guru3D did 806 mhz and it increased performance by 15%.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
But this is the absolute limit of this card, with voltage you should be able to go past 1000mhz in 5870 with a stock cooler. There's no way you are raising the voltage of GTX 480 with stock cooler.
Nice, was wondering when a GTA4 bench would pop up...Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
Neither of mine (I had one that I RMA'd, and one I kept) could top 910-920 for everyday gaming without issue (hours of continuous gaming, or without overclocking-related artifacts), even with voltage tweaked. Getting it stable meant making it run too hot even with the fan speed up a lot. They could make it for quick benches but that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
It's running @ 92C+ in Crysis @ stock clocks, what overclocking are you talking about? Or starting spaceship fan noise for these overclocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
I wouldn't want my card to run hotter than 85C, overclocked or not...
Look at TPU review, a 10% overclock doesn't bring any temperature increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF...mages/temp.gif
96C is NUTS, though.
It's the ship slowly getting killed right there...
Yeah, I agree on that... Nviida says its ok up to 105C but OK for how much time? Can that thing really run at 100C without melting for 5 years really? I mean really?
All I know is that my 8800 Ultra used to run at 88-92C and started BSODing at some point due to the heat issues.
I had to buy a waterblock. The issues got somewhat solved. Not entirely, though...
Was quite common with :Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
HD 4870
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/b4f459c...cd3b3a16d5.jpg
and HD 4850
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/de186ce...d504be8c1d.jpg
HD4850 is a terribly cooled card, period.
And GTX480 isn't really competing with these two.
Regarding 4870...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/O/F/114...ginal/temp.png
16C cooler. Source.
90C idle temperature for 4870 means a TERRIBLE chassis. Or some kind of weird pre-release drivers? Not sure what is wrong with your data...
What is it with modern GPUs, and not being able to run dual monitors without the screens flickering under clock domain changes? The 5XXX do it, and now the GTX4XX as well?
http://i41.tinypic.com/2v2d0qp.jpg
Some girls might like NVidias new product? ;-)
Too heavy underclocking it seems. Not enough processing power left, especially for those Vista / Win7 effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by joshd
Right. But HD 4870/50 that I tested made me :shocked: with the heat so Fermi ...Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Anyway, I'm quite curious to see what's the point with Musashi cooler for example. nVidia retail GTX 480's cooler seems quite good but that would be interesting to know :yepp:
Link for 4870 from the same site, TechPowerUp and, about your link, Test Drive isn't the best way to burn da place :D
I think Accelero Twin/Triple type solutions are going to be better than the retail one, yep.
I expect a significant temperature difference.