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05-05-2009, 09:58 AM
DaMulta

Thank you

I'll have to do a /? to see what the options are for(I like to know those things for some reason....)
05-05-2009, 10:01 AM
chew*

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

Thank you

I'll have to do a /? to see what the options are for(I like to know those things for some reason....)

When you load DOS just type afudos4280.exe by itself and it will give you a list of all commands and definitions ;) The extra commands are your safety net so to speak.
05-05-2009, 10:02 AM
shadow_419

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Originally Posted by chew*

I suggest afudos, I had a bad checksum when I flashed from the shipped bios to the beta via the mobo bios flash utility.

You must use the /p /b /n /c command after the file though.....save you alot of headaches....

Maybe the reason I didn't have any problems was because i flashed to 1.2 bios before beta?

I've never made a bootable usb and I didn't want to screw up and hose my bios.
05-05-2009, 10:04 AM
chew*

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Originally Posted by shadow_419

Maybe the reason I didn't have any problems was because i flashed to 1.2 bios before beta?

I've never made a bootable usb and I didn't want to screw up and hose my bios.

I dunno I just like using afudos with AMI bios's.......all I used when I had manta and grouper to, I trust windows and bios based motherboard flash utilities very little....
05-05-2009, 10:09 AM
shadow_419

msimax recommended afudos aswell so I'll give it a shot. Just gonna have to go slow and make sure I don't bork the bootable usb part. I've flashed from bootable floppies but I haven't had a floppy in a while. Will Afudos work from a bootable img burned to cd? I could then just run afudos from the usb stick right?
05-05-2009, 10:16 AM
chew*

I dunno.....Bootable USB is easy man.

Go to the intel section and look up the x38 maxximus formula thread.....all the files and info you need to do it there.

Here to save you time
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...69&postcount=1

BTW guys to counter vdroop just raise CPU VDD to 1.3625......changes your ref vcore voltage......loaded prime stock volts now does not dip below 1.344 idle 1.352.....

Post up my bios settings later tonight wrapping up prime stable atm, and somehow I got to get to post office......and fed ex.....and test a bios out for the gigabyte 790FX-ud5p ddr II board for some of the guys.....so they have a working 955 bios.
05-05-2009, 03:36 PM
PoppaGeek

Got my GD70 in, flashed to 1.2 BIOS. Put Phenom 2 810 on it so will be clocking via the bus. 4 gigs Mushkin 7-7-6-18 @ 1600.

I tired some OCing for awhile last night. Dropped to 1333 on memory and got stable @2.9 with 2 bumps on CPU volts. Could not get higher no matter what I tried, bumping volts on NB, mem or more CPU. HT was 2400. Did not take notes was just playing around. Going to get serious with it tonight and tomorrow and will take notes.

I know 1.65 memory would have been better and yes I am a noob. But trying to learn. Any tips would be appreciated.

Hoping to get a 955 next month and 810 will go back on DKA790GX.

:toast:
05-05-2009, 04:23 PM
chew*

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoppaGeek

Got my GD70 in, flashed to 1.2 BIOS. Put Phenom 2 810 on it so will be clocking via the bus. 4 gigs Mushkin 7-7-6-18 @ 1600.

I tired some OCing for awhile last night. Dropped to 1333 on memory and got stable @2.9 with 2 bumps on CPU volts. Could not get higher no matter what I tried, bumping volts on NB, mem or more CPU. HT was 2400. Did not take notes was just playing around. Going to get serious with it tonight and tomorrow and will take notes.

I know 1.65 memory would have been better and yes I am a noob. But trying to learn. Any tips would be appreciated.

Hoping to get a 955 next month and 810 will go back on DKA790GX.

:toast:

Substitute multis with FSB, I can duplicate results at 240 fsb with 1333 memory divider......

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=240
05-05-2009, 04:40 PM
PoppaGeek

What confuses me the most is the volts. There are the options in the BIOS but the numbers do not always match what I see in CPU-Z and AOD so not sure if I am increasing right ones. I am conservative so probably won't hurt anything but probably won't get too far either.
05-05-2009, 04:43 PM
chew*

Bios shots with voltages used in a few for the end product..............
05-05-2009, 07:18 PM
chew*

I could get used to this board ;)

http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/step%205.JPG
05-05-2009, 07:22 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

templates PLZ that is very nice :up:
05-05-2009, 07:24 PM
chew*

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

templates PLZ that is very nice :up:

I'm sure its not prime stable though ;)

When I post up the prime stable bios settings add that vcore to it :) Prime stable post is updated as well......

Bios settings updated in prime stable post.
05-05-2009, 08:08 PM
TiTON

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Originally Posted by chew*

I expect 33K plus don't let me down.....

I should have a working MSI mobo by tomorrow, so will hopefully have time to bench again :)

Chew.. is that 33k in 3DMark06 you are referring to?
05-05-2009, 08:10 PM
chew*

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Originally Posted by TiTON

I should have a working MSI mobo by tomorrow, so will hopefully have time to bench again :)

Chew.. is that 33k in 3DMark06 you are referring to?

Yah 2 card 4890 should be cake 33k 06.... cards on stock air ;) I'm shooting for 34K 2 card, I havent maxed out cpu yet :D I was maxxed out on ram clocks....couldn't go higher.

That was just a review.
05-05-2009, 10:59 PM
TiTON

Quote:

Originally Posted by chew*

Yah 2 card 4890 should be cake 33k 06.... cards on stock air ;) I'm shooting for 34K 2 card, I havent maxed out cpu yet :D I was maxxed out on ram clocks....couldn't go higher.

That was just a review.

Hey Chew... I will see if I can meet your goals :)

Hopefully you will hear back from me w/ a score by Wed / Thurs :)

Ton
05-06-2009, 12:21 AM
Tony

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...6&postcount=16 a copy and paste but it shows how nice this board is ;)

Now....2000 on 955+AM3 boards is not going to happen...1800 is almost impossible and 1700 is a struggle...so be clever and go for tight timings and if possible 1600MHZ or close to it.

I decided to throw in some Blade cas7...expensive memory based on Elpida Hyper IC....lets see how it does on the GD70 at 6-6-6-24 timings.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...1&d=1241397670

erm kinda juicy ;) this at 1.65V...it may even do it with less I just got lazy ;)

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...1&d=1241397928
05-06-2009, 01:39 AM
massman

The 1.3B7 beta bios is also available on the German MSI forums: http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?pa...417#post701417

Tony: is the struggle for 900MHz memory OCZ-related (well, combo of MSI and OCZ) or AM3 design in general? I've been testing the GD70 with several OCZ kits as well and have the exact same issues: 850 is alright, but whenever I try to get near 900MHz, I fail. It seems that neither timings nor voltage really helps increasing the maximum memory frequency, so I'm leaning towards an am3 design issue rather than board-related.

However, there are definitly people hitting over 900MHz:
-Team Finland: http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00782/3601999.jpg (corsair dominator) (also pifast and 3D stable)
05-06-2009, 03:08 AM
generics_user

so what if i place a pciex1 card into one of the lower bandwitdh pcie slots, will the main x16 slots automatically switch to x8/x8 or does this board offer x1 switches like the asus m4a79-t has?

my DFI am3 order is getting delayed over and over again so i'm thinking of buying an asus board or the gd-70...
05-06-2009, 03:33 AM
shadow_419

I'm not sure but I think this board shuts off the adjacent x8 slot when a x16 slot is used because the msi website says the board reconfigures from x16/0/x16/0 to x8/x8/x8/x8 when four cards are used.
05-06-2009, 03:56 AM
generics_user

well i'm still thinking of the board as i can use the first pciex1 slots because i'm using a very flat heatkiller waterblock :)

is it really THAT much better than the 790FXB or can i expect the same overclocks on cpu+ram from both boards?
05-06-2009, 04:06 AM
Entropicity

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Originally Posted by generics_user

well i'm still thinking of the board as i can use the first pciex1 slots because i'm using a very flat heatkiller waterblock :)

is it really THAT much better than the 790FXB or can i expect the same overclocks on cpu+ram from both boards?

You can use any smaller PCIE x?? card as long as the slot is longer than it.

The advantage of this board is not so much of quad crossfire but the ability to use any length PCIE expansion card that comes out in future.

For example a couple of these? :D Something Tony might be familiar with ;)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....ve_press_1.jpg
05-06-2009, 05:34 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by Entropicity

You can use any smaller PCIE x?? card as long as the slot is longer than it.

The advantage of this board is not so much of quad crossfire but the ability to use any length PCIE expansion card that comes out in future.

i know but my problem with this board is that pcie bandwith on the VGAs goes down to x8 link which is bad with CF (0-10% difference :down:)

i'll stick with the dfi, if i get the money to buy a dedicated raid controller i just have to revert back to my pci x-fi xtreme gamer (right now i have a titanium) and i don't have to worry about lack of bandwidth on the 4870s :up:

asus has the best solution out there they offer the following configs:

x16/1/16/1
x8/8/8/8
X16/1/8/8
x8/8/16/1

all configurable in the bios

i wish all manufacturers would offer the same amount of pcie switches as asus :(

additionally i don't understand why they have so many unused pcie lanes

790FX offers 32 for the VGA cards and another 6 form NB and 4 from the SB

2 for the LAN and 1 for the esata still leave 7 unused lanes

my dream config on 790FX:
x16/8
x1
x4/8
x1
x16/8
PCI (just for the feature list)
x1/8

i don't understand why there are only boards with useless pci slots (dfi; GBT)); bad pwm design (asus) and bad pci-switch config (msi) :shakes:
05-06-2009, 06:14 AM
DaMulta

So I get the new beta BIOS on.

Works in singal mode tested all fine, but installed in dual and the machine would reset reset.

So I flipped them the one that was in the first slot went in the 2ed slot.

It worked and Im up and running.

Ready to get them down to my 790i settings......
http://img.techpowerup.org/081220/menset.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/090506/Mem 1600.jpg
05-06-2009, 06:49 AM
chew*

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Originally Posted by massman

The 1.3B7 beta bios is also available on the German MSI forums: http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?pa...417#post701417

Tony: is the struggle for 900MHz memory OCZ-related (well, combo of MSI and OCZ) or AM3 design in general? I've been testing the GD70 with several OCZ kits as well and have the exact same issues: 850 is alright, but whenever I try to get near 900MHz, I fail. It seems that neither timings nor voltage really helps increasing the maximum memory frequency, so I'm leaning towards an am3 design issue rather than board-related.

However, there are definitly people hitting over 900MHz:
-Team Finland: http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00782/3601999.jpg (corsair dominator) (also pifast and 3D stable)

Its not OCZ.....

ES chips ;)

Ask them to do it on retail chips with publicly available bios's.

We pulled 1800+ on samsung IC's with an ES chip. I could never tune the sticks in @ 1800 when I swappped to public bios and 955.....best i've done is 856 on retail so far...so 1700+ can be done.....

I think part of it has to due with the ES chips not having 100% bios support, on the same token I noticed ram performance is a tad sloppy with them compared to retail.....I can't clock ram higher but get better results lower on retails.........

I still have my ES chip if you would like a comparision but I already confirmed it.

http://members.cox.net/bostonreefer4...;s%20xfire.jpg

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