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04-28-2007, 02:56 AM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by Kanten

Comparing an enthusiast card to a mainstream-end one. Yeah, that doesn't look suspicious at all. :slap:

HD 2900XT and 8800GTS 640 are same segment with same MSRP ($399-$449) so why not compare them? :slap:
04-28-2007, 03:25 AM
Kinc

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 ;)
04-28-2007, 03:29 AM
96redformula

There are more leaked benchmarks that just came out that expalin alot IMO. I believe they are accurate and claim only 16TMU's, this would explain how it is comparable to the GTS. This also reminds me of the x1800, shortly followed by a more powerful x1900.

They probably want to start off with the 16TMU version, then will have the refresh with more.
04-28-2007, 03:39 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

HD 2900XT and 8800GTS 640 are same segment with same MSRP ($399-$449) so why not compare them? :slap:

QFT tbh no point comparing it with something $200 more :)
04-28-2007, 04:08 AM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by Kinc

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 ;)

Kinc can you say how far off are these benchmarks (in --/-/+/++ way) and are you hoping for some 3D records with this card??

I hope you are getting serious clocks from this card... :)

Thanks in advance :clap:

PS. 2nd of May or 14th of May which one is true??
04-28-2007, 04:17 AM
MAS

2900XT is a little slower than 8800GTX
04-28-2007, 04:28 AM
korda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinc

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 ;)

Yeah, R600 looks like a new champ when it comes to 3dmark. Lets hope it performs well in games too. :)

You already have one don't you? Lucky bastard. :slapass:
04-28-2007, 04:57 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by korda

You already have one don't you? Lucky bastard. :slapass:

I'm afraid Kinc is not of the party that requires luck to get these cards :)

Check his XS tag...The cards come to him ;)

Perkam
04-28-2007, 04:58 AM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by Kanten

Shouldn't it have higher performance scores in XP, considering how Vista is still far from gaming-ready? If they were benching XP 8800 against Vista 2900 then that statement might make more sense.

Also...CF numbers are different against the GTX? Double card is different against a single card, really?

Actually in Vista preformance at least on the X1900's im roughly within 100-150 points of XP. I can't go back and test in XP now since thats just to much work to try and get it reinstalled properly but ATI's preformance is nearly dead on to what it was before.
04-28-2007, 04:58 AM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by Kasparz

http://bp2.blogger.com/_BabjUDZIqPw/...c/s400/004.jpg
This is going for my desktop wallpaper.

WTF LOL Thats sweet, probably not true but sweet lookin hehe.
04-28-2007, 05:43 AM
FghtinIrshNvrDi

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Originally Posted by Periander6

As for his ideas about how to fight a multi-billion dollar monopoly, did you listen to AMD's last conference call and all of Hector's blathering about going "asset-light"? Asset light and debt heavy? Clueless and laughable if he thinks AMD is going to be able to take on Intel like that.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. One of the most 'asset light' companies in the world (in proportion to gross revenue) is wal-mart. You're telling me thier 'just in time' inventory system is a bad idea? Isn't that what revolutionized the japanese car industry in the mid 20th century? This type of inventory is incredibly efficient and can save companies a lot of money. Business students are taught that inventory is bad, and it is. If you have it, you may as well have lost the money until it is sold. It's heavy, it depreciates, and it clogs up the business structure.

He's talking about inventory systems and trying to not sit on chips that depreciate every minute they're in their posession.

Ryan
04-28-2007, 07:29 AM
madcho

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Originally Posted by 96redformula7

There are more leaked benchmarks that just came out that expalin alot IMO. I believe they are accurate and claim only 16TMU's, this would explain how it is comparable to the GTS. This also reminds me of the x1800, shortly followed by a more powerful x1900.

They probably want to start off with the 16TMU version, then will have the refresh with more.

i really don't think they wanted it :nono:

it was a stupid error. Hope R650 will come with 32 and let's rock :toast:
04-28-2007, 07:51 AM
Kasparz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinc

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 ;)

Its time to show your cards, Kinc.
04-28-2007, 12:58 PM
Kanten

Quote:

Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi

I'm sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. One of the most 'asset light' companies in the world (in proportion to gross revenue) is wal-mart. You're telling me thier 'just in time' inventory system is a bad idea? Isn't that what revolutionized the japanese car industry in the mid 20th century? This type of inventory is incredibly efficient and can save companies a lot of money. Business students are taught that inventory is bad, and it is. If you have it, you may as well have lost the money until it is sold. It's heavy, it depreciates, and it clogs up the business structure.

He's talking about inventory systems and trying to not sit on chips that depreciate every minute they're in their posession.

Ryan

Yeah, but is Wal Mart neck deep in debt?
04-28-2007, 01:03 PM
Periander6

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Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi

I'm sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. One of the most 'asset light' companies in the world (in proportion to gross revenue) is wal-mart. You're telling me thier 'just in time' inventory system is a bad idea? Isn't that what revolutionized the japanese car industry in the mid 20th century? This type of inventory is incredibly efficient and can save companies a lot of money. Business students are taught that inventory is bad, and it is. If you have it, you may as well have lost the money until it is sold. It's heavy, it depreciates, and it clogs up the business structure.

He's talking about inventory systems and trying to not sit on chips that depreciate every minute they're in their posession.

Ryan

Heh. Obviously you didn't listen to the conference call, and have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. Here is a link to the transcript of the conference call.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/32901

Here are a bunch of quotes from Hector himself during that CC making it blindingly obvious what he is talking about:

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As part of that, one of the things that has become pretty clear in our experience, we have had now for a number of years had some experience in partnering with people such as, for example, IBM in joint development programs. That has started a lot about how you can do some asset light strategies, since we did not have to build an R&D laboratory to do that.

We have had also an experience now for a number of years with some of our friends in the foundry business, and in particular the charter semiconductor. We have learned a lot of that.

Through the acquisition of ATI, we now have a perspective into a very asset light model that we are pretty excited about learning more and more about it. When we look at all these things, we see a tremendous opportunity for us to really do something different going forward, but it’s unique for us.

I think, for example, what Texas Instruments has done, as you said, is very good for them and is uniquely tailored for what they do. Whatever we do is going to have to be very uniquely tailored for us, because we have to be on one hand, in the workstation super computer environment at the leading, bleeding edge of technology, but on the entry level part of products is not quite as necessary.

I think we are in a unique segment in the industry, the microprocessor industry where an asset light model may require a considerably different look and feel that you might recognize when you look at somebody like Texas Instruments.

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It coves a whole gamut of opportunities, from everything like I mentioned earlier, we already have a joint development agreement with IBM which we view that as an asset light strategy from the point of view that we do not have to build an R&D facility, and all the way in to any aspect of the rest of the work that we do.

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and reduce our capital intensity by exploring deeply more asset light business models in order to fully execute our plan.

Here he is talking about cutting down on capital investments and R&D through ousourcing. He mentioned the partnership with IBM (where they have been oursourcing their process R&D), and the partnership with Chartered (where they have been oursourcing their production), and talking about making themselves resemble Texas Instruments more (which just announced they were exiting process development and going to go totally fabless). Nothing whatsoever about inventories or anything you were talking about.
04-28-2007, 01:08 PM
berk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinc

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 ;)

Can you at least say,without any bias,that this'll be the card to get,over the 8800GTX?Or are'nt you allowed?
04-28-2007, 01:12 PM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by thebeast

Can you at least say,without any bias,that this'll be the card to get,over the 8800GTX?Or are'nt you allowed?

Not even over just close to with a mild OC would be nice.
04-28-2007, 02:23 PM
flopper

Finnaly, it´s showtime....
Bring it on Kinc
04-28-2007, 02:42 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by flopper

Finnaly, it´s showtime....
Bring it on Kinc

You'll have to wait for official release for that kind of action :)

Perkam
04-28-2007, 02:50 PM
Eastcoasthandle

any bets that the xtx will have 32 texture units
04-28-2007, 02:50 PM
Sparky

Even though I'm not getting one of these (or the 8800 either) I'm still impatient for it to come out. Maybe because I'm tired of all the speculation....
04-28-2007, 02:56 PM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by korda

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...o/gpun2076.jpg

2D clocks are 507/514, and yet it idles at 68 degrees C. Lets hope they took that pic in Africa. :)

Um, that's Photo looks altered.
04-28-2007, 04:17 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

any bets that the xtx will have 32 texture units

I am willing to agree with you :). I hate not being an insider :( .

I would bet that if not though the refresh will have 32 at least.
04-28-2007, 04:22 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

any bets that the xtx will have 32 texture units

I'm betting that It'll fit into a PCIe x16 slot, outside of that it is anyone's guess
04-28-2007, 07:46 PM
MAS

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebeast

Can you at least say,without any bias,that this'll be the card to get,over the 8800GTX?Or are'nt you allowed?

see http://r800.blogspot.com/2007/04/rad...2900xt_28.html
it looks like truth

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