K10 will be announced Monday

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03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
madcho

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

READ that first post again there buddy. :p:

I never agreed w/ SEA on that one. I was criticizing madcho's lack of CPU knowledge.

The ONLY way a modern CPU could execute INTEGER operations on a FPU is to re-assign the Integer values as floating point (i.e. change 2 x 5 to 2.000000000 x 5.00000000000).

And that would be a COLOSSAL waste of resources. Plus, the ALU would finish the same calculation in FAR less time.

If you just send 2 x 5 through the decoder/prefetcher, it is going recognize that as an INT operation and send it to one of the ALUs. That is HARDCODED into the silicon of the chip and the ONLY way around it would be to change the INTS to decimal values as I described above.

EDIT (again) - the difference in TIME required to complete and INT and Floating instruction are illustrated in NN's post in the diagram that YOU are so fond of. Look at the TOP of the diagram, Stage 9 (that is where the calculations are actually performed). An INT calculation is performed in stages 9 and 10 and then DONE. Depending on the calculation performed, a Float can last up to stage 17.

For this reason, Integer calculations are NEVER sent to the FPU by the decoder.

Let me REPEAT THAT for those hard of hearing (reading) here. NEVER.

I never said that the SSE is the highway for integers :stick:

i only said, SSE can do it. :woot:
03-07-2007, 12:09 PM
Fred_Pohl

So... anyway, we now know that K10 will be announced on a Monday. That's big news, considering how little else is known, but does anyone have a clue about what week or month this Monday falls in?
03-07-2007, 12:18 PM
madcho

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

Your terminology is ALL OFF.

Here is a SIMPLE breakdown for you:
SSE=FPU (effectively, although not all FPU ops = SSE).
ALU=INT

Unless you CONVERT an INT to FP op, you CANNOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES issue an INT instruction to the SSE execution pipes.

NEVER. :stick:

So, NO, SSE CAN'T DO IT.

SSE can do int without convert if i remember well. :rolleyes:
03-07-2007, 12:31 PM
NapalmV5

lol announcement? launch? paper/hard? just wth was it!.. numerous months before "late summer"

hmm.. smtg is cooking for april/may
03-07-2007, 12:34 PM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

So... anyway, we now know that K10 will be announced on a Monday. That's big news, considering how little else is known, but does anyone have a clue about what week or month this Monday falls in?

K10 was announced on a monday.
03-07-2007, 12:52 PM
madcho

K10 was showed the 02.12.07 to litle committee. AMD said in the interview, K10 was announced.

I didnt understood well because translate wasn't corect.

sorry guy's.

I think AMD aim end of april for the barcelona, and i don't belive it's gonna do it, Ruiz said Barcelona ramp is gonna to be very long.

I think AMD will launch the Barcelona on june, and a month after it's gonna be the true hardlaunch.

I asked my friend about RD790+ and Agena FX, just wait for answer. ;)
03-07-2007, 12:58 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcho

K10 was showed the 02.12.07 to litle committee. AMD said in the interview, >K10 was announced.<

I didnt understood well because translate wasn't corect.

sorry guy's.

I think AMD aim end of april for the barcelona, and i don't belive it's gonna do it, Ruiz said Barcelona ramp is gonna to be very long.

I think AMD will launch the Barcelona on june, and a month after it's gonna be the true hardlaunch.

I asked my friend about RD790+ and Agena FX, just wait for answer. ;)

if it was announced, than yeh, april!

5/6 months before release? righttt...

intel's sword is ready to slash! has been waiting just for this, announced a while ago..

so i say april! april! april!

beautifo april may u bring us barcelona
03-07-2007, 01:02 PM
NapalmV5

but of course it sux!!!

late summer 6 months in advanced?

wats next? theyr gonna read us the daily journal how they shrunk another 1000 trans? :zombie:
03-07-2007, 01:03 PM
Brother Esau

I will be the first to say that great things and quality take time but man I have to wonder just WTF is going on over at AMD/ATI ? They better not make a liar out of me when I say that the new Unified AMD/ATI is gonna hand Intel their ARSE on a silver platter!
03-07-2007, 01:07 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

Hey man, I didn't make the news. That is just what old Hector said last week.

doesnt have to be 100% absolute truth ;)
03-07-2007, 01:17 PM
NapalmV5

lol trust the ceo? lol

its not about trust..
03-07-2007, 01:23 PM
madcho

All days i'm gonna cry ... K10 is not there, ... :( :slobber:
03-07-2007, 01:26 PM
vitaminc

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

lol trust the ceo? lol

its not about trust..

given amd's position now, hector would be speaking very positively about k10 every chance he got.

end of summer release is not positive. even hector is not confident of pulling k10 in.
03-07-2007, 01:40 PM
awdrifter

I wonder what kinda problem is AMD having with K10. I have to guess either the yield is very low or maybe the clockspeed is not that great. If not, there's no reason for them not to bring it to market sooner.
03-07-2007, 01:45 PM
NapalmV5

for them to 'announce K10' this early, theyr in good shape.. end of summer is more like worst case scenario

march - announcement
april - paper/hard? launch
may - eta?

anyways, im more concerned about what good mobos @ intel/amd to get..
03-07-2007, 01:53 PM
[XC] Teroedni

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

for them to 'announce K10' this early, theyr in good shape.. end of summer is more like worst case scenario

march - announcement
april - paper/hard? launch
may - eta?

anyways, im more concerned about what good mobos @ intel/amd to get..

Im hope you are right:toast:

Althought that hope is a tiny one
03-07-2007, 03:06 PM
ether.real

I am still thinking that AMD is going to drop a huge bomb and launch K10+R600 simultaneously. It would make the whole thing make sense.
03-07-2007, 03:33 PM
VulgarHandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether.real

I am still thinking that AMD is going to drop a huge bomb and launch K10+R600 simultaneously. It would make the whole thing make sense.

i would say that'll make a good launch, but make sense? i don't think so

what makes sense is they probably decided to add/subtract something from both k10 and r600 and possibly even some chipsets (790 included)

delaying one or the other, or both, for this long so they can launch together, that does not make sense at all
03-07-2007, 08:10 PM
arisythila

They defiantly have something up their sleeves... It will be monstrous tho. They have been talking about Video cards doing other things that just 3d... This will be very interesting to see what they have going on.

~Mike
03-08-2007, 01:35 AM
Trouffman

Huummm Some speculation in this thread...

But interesting discussion for some infos...

Just wait Cebit and try to talk to a press manager or division manager of Ati....
03-08-2007, 08:42 AM
Fred_Pohl

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

K10 was announced on a monday.

Cool! So when is the official launch date and where are all the reviews and benchmarks?
03-08-2007, 08:47 AM
madcho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

Cool! So when is the official launch date and where are all the reviews and benchmarks?

This is the live Question, to be or not to Barcelona :rolleyes:

:p:
03-08-2007, 12:42 PM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

Cool! So when is the official launch date and where are all the reviews and benchmarks?

announced =| launch
03-08-2007, 08:30 PM
Fred_Pohl

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

announced =| launch

When AMD announces a firm product launch date, product availability and lifts their NDA, that will be an "announcement". Wake me up in late May when that might actually happen.
03-08-2007, 09:04 PM
Kanten

This is all starting to feel like a repeat of RD600. :rolleyes:

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