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i'm sorry, but the conroe is not the "fastest cpu ever made." neither was the x2. you're a little outta your league on that one considering the whole of the IT world isn't centered on consumer parts. I'll let your little 'ol conroe fight against a few Power5s in a server environment and then we'll talk. :)
dave
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
i've got some kick ass 2218s that run great but, they're geared for a different market than C2D.
dave
who cares? superpi is worthless outside of the enthusiast world.Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
dave
Well that's the thing. Guys with Amd didn't go over as much to the Intel threads shouting: Why buy freaking Netburst when you can get the brilliant K8!!!? Even then we got from fanboys: Hey the Pentium M is great, you just have to spend a fortune on the board and the memory and it's not 64bit... But it kicks ass! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
good for you. :)
as for me, i'm more concerned with how well they function for virtualization, workstation apps, rendering, etc.
dave
Well in everything that's BW hungry like in a high end server you will see great performance. Virtualization will probably be great also.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
since we're all editing our posts for clarity....
yup...to be expected....I've gotta run over to Boxborough and see their eval system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodle
dave
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Originally Posted by dave_graham
Hey that's all that I dare to say. Who knows how it will be in games etc? Might be better than C2 or might not. No clue. I love the powers saving feats though and that it's decoupled from the NB. Good stuff. :)
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Originally Posted by dave_graham
Don’t be so god dam ridicules , This place is turning from xtreamsystems to xtream business annalist & stable information and technology industries systems, for example detective Dave would it be unimaginable for you to work out that since we are talking about x86 desktop cpus that my statement would run close parallels with the afore mentioned subject?
No Conroe isn’t the fastest , blue mountain super computer will beat it , well go and borrow £73m and buy one then.
Also you state, as bold as it is stupid
“I'll let your little 'ol conroe fight against a few Power5s in a server environment and then we'll talk. :)”
I concede that in a few server tasks the power 5 will kick ass (amazingly that is what it was designed for) but in everything else Conroe and x2 will be faster, No?
Also try to remember that this forum is manly targeted at people that are interested in pushing there home computer till it fu(king begs to be turned off, not somewhere for IT sector workers to come along and say stupid :banana::banana::banana::banana: like “It dosent matter how fast Conroe or x2s are, A few power 5s would be faster in a server environment”
well the thing is they did, If you want ill go pick out a few threads in the intel section where people recommended (and rightly so) x2s over pds, but I must say I am surprised you never seen this happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodle
but when you throw a specious quote out there without much thought for those who read it, you've got to expect that at least someone with experience outside the enthusiast community is going to respond. :rolleyes: for people who actually work with this stuff for a living, it is unreasonable to assume that ANY C2D cpu is going to be the fastest.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
*shrug* it's your ass and opinion, but, try to at least qualify what you're saying next time.
dave
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Originally Posted by gallag
You might be right. :confused: Fanboism sucks and it feels like it's getting more than ever. And you are also right that one should always mention both alternatives but with respekt; as there might be some features which the user seaks that the inferior core might have but the better core doesn't have (sorry weird sentance but you know what I mean :)). K8s still undervolt lower and has higher bw than C2 for example. Something similar might be the case but vice versa if Amd one day gets the perfomance crown back. Everyone should stay objective I mean.
As for myself a go for the fastest core with lowest tdp which means that Intel is the most sane chose right now :doh:. I used to like the engineering filosofi of Amd more though, but Intel is going in the same direction now. So they are all good to me:)
4x4 is exiting I think as it might give a some fresh blood to our community. Quad Unreg ram channels and two cpu sockets is great!
I doubt it but Intel might do something like it. Who knows...
4x4 aint something to wait for and think will wtfpwn. Get a Opteron workstation board today, maybe add 5% without ECC and you got the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodle
4x4 is just a hotfix against Intel quadcore. So no reason to copy it, and to copy it. Just buy a workstation board...:fact:
Lets be Straight out, 2P and 4P AMD WINS MORE Business Benchmarks than Conroe, Period. Why?, Because that is what AMD has been designing K8 and K8L for. Users on the Customers on the Desktop level only know AMD is Better some of the time because like all Hardware, in effort to keep power usage and transistor count low, there have to be design trade offs.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
AMD gets more Benefit by trading transistors that would probably help the desktop market, and using those transistors to upgrade or add High end features. Such as Virtualization or reducing Memory latency or Increasing Bandwidth or improving Cache Coherency.
Before you go off and complain about the above statement, consider this 8220SE costs about $2,649 and you can get a 5200+ for under $400
So who do you think AMD is going to work harder to please, the Server world, or you with your $399 Dell/HP?
Brent !!
Why are you hijacking every AMD thread !?!?!?!
Perkam
Lets relax abit on the 4x4 shall we. Its not a 8 core, 8 channel system is it? Its a 4 core 4 channel system. Just like a dual woodcrest workstation today is a 4 core, 4 channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
The ultra highend sector you say will come just got s different name today. Workstation. The only new thing 4x4 offers is SMP without ECC memory. :fact:
Lack of IMC/HT dont seem to hold woodcrest/C2D back. And whenever K8L comes, then CSI might be in the game.
Anyway, lets hold 4x4 to what it is, OPteron Workstation board using non ECC memory. :slap:
umm, you missed the main point of his post. nn said that amd cares more about the server market than the desktop market, in which he is correct. and considering that dual 280's (2.6ghz) can keep up with dual woodcrest at 3ghz.. that's pretty impressive in my book, considering how much conroe owns K8 at the same clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
http://techreport.com/etc/2006q2/woodcrest/index.x?pg=1
well, NN never specified at what clock, or price range. i don't even know what the price is on woodcrest, so it's entirely possible that a similarly priced woodcrest is beaten by an opteron system. :shrug:
and once K8L hits.. if amd manages to get a 20-35% gain, plus extra clocks with lower power from 65nm.... :hehe:
it's not what you say, but how you say it :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
and stop making generalizations for everybody. :nono:
K8L will have two IMC's, but only one can be used at a time. (one ddr2, one ddr3)Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
so for each physical chip, there will be a dual channel memory bank
I thought this is AMD discussion forum, not AMD circle jerking forum where everybody sing and praise 800%+ performance increase and 200% power reduction...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Besides, anybody got some real figures instead of some dead die shot?
obviously for a chip that isn't to be released for another 6+ months, no. hang tight in the meantime, and put up with our speculation ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminc