[UPDATE]abit AW9D-MAX first result

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09-01-2006, 04:07 PM
fhpchris

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Originally Posted by flewpastu

ZZF

its not instock yet but it usually means it will be any day now ........ also dont let the price scare you ... ZZF always does that for some reason with a new product and then as soon as they get them in the price will drop to normal i'd guess around $240 range .......... although i would gladly buy at that price cause i just want it sooooo bad :D

I cant wait too see retail results :)
09-01-2006, 04:16 PM
MrBean

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And, as dinos22 pointed out, it's also a matter of energy losses (heat) with badly designed and/or oversized voltage circuits.

With badly designed circuits I would agree, you will have quite low efficiency due to heatlosses.

In the world of electronics, especially regulators, it is better to use more smaller vregs than one larger unit.

6 phases will not be as efficient as 12 phases, provided they are both designed to supply say, 20% headroom on a particular board, with a max rating cpu.

Now, with Conroe, and lesser power requirements in terms of total current needed, actually you will find a 4 or 6 phase vreg may be as efficient as you would want, and that a 12-phase design, won't harm anything, but may not neccessarily improve matters either - like the point of diminishing returns.

Conroe requires less, but higher resolution in current delivery than predecessors, so smaller ramps involtage is a requirement. So yes, in a well designed 4,5 or 6 phase design, you will find it loose approx as much heat as a 8 or 12 phase design, cause you are not pushing the limits with Conroe and a 4 phase or whatever the case is.

Even at 3.6 gig the 4-5 phase would be very adequate. Where we will see an advantage will be with Kentsfield, where a 8 or 12 phase design will proof more efficient, with the resulting lower ripple on the cpu supply lines.
09-01-2006, 08:20 PM
MuskBassist

Quote:

Originally Posted by flewpastu

ZZF

its not instock yet but it usually means it will be any day now ........ also dont let the price scare you ... ZZF always does that for some reason with a new product and then as soon as they get them in the price will drop to normal i'd guess around $240 range .......... although i would gladly buy at that price cause i just want it sooooo bad :D

I wouldn't be so sure, they already sell the P5W DH for $300.
09-02-2006, 04:50 AM
eiceman

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Originally Posted by coolaler

vcore drop 0.07v,set 1.73v, but 1.66v

vDroop is a little high,isnt it?
09-02-2006, 06:45 AM
alpha0ne

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Originally Posted by eiceman

vDroop is a little high,isnt it?

Thats not a little high, that a huge Vdroop :slapass:

Heres the Vcore droop of my P5W DH that is not acceptable IMHO for a "top end" board that costs an arm and a leg :fact:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0ne/Vdroop.jpg
09-02-2006, 06:59 AM
Vassili

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Originally Posted by eiceman

vDroop is a little high,isnt it?

Maybe it is just 0.7V under bios setting, not a drop. Coolaler please explain what you mean.:)
09-02-2006, 07:48 AM
audiofreak

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

Bit-Tech.net AW9D-MAX First-Look

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...w9d_max/2.html

Dunno what that guy was smokin but i want some ... make the cruel reality fly away :peace:

That is just what I was trying to say but some people bashed me. Being an avid fan is counter-productive because you idealize the product and the company thus failing to see the shortcomings. For that much money I would certainly expect more.

About voltage regulators -- more phases mean better stability under higher load and this is something usually closely tied to overclocking. You raise voltage and stress the hell out of a chip, 4 phases just seem a bit too skimpy for the job even if we take into account that Conroe is not such a "powersucker".
09-02-2006, 08:22 PM
flewpastu

i like the lay out and wouldnt change a thing ........... except maby that molex on the bottom :D
09-02-2006, 08:30 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpha0ne

Thats not a little high, that a huge Vdroop :slapass:

Heres the Vcore droop of my P5W DH that is not acceptable IMHO for a "top end" board that costs an arm and a leg :fact:

[IMG]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/alpha0ne/Vdroop.jpg

what is your bios vcore...........I BET YOU a left nut you have a difference of at least 0.05V from bios setting to load in windows with small ffts :D
09-02-2006, 10:09 PM
FLMJIGGY

What if you have dual slot cards??? No PCI then. It really doesn't affect me that much because I use integrated optical sound and the mic. However I do agree with most ppl saying that 1 PCI slot (and it's possible to lose it) is not good thinking.

It is a nice looking board and Coolaler, nice job so far. One question. what ever hapened to those memory modules you posted on the other thread? (AMD) What that just a joke?
09-02-2006, 10:11 PM
eiceman

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Originally Posted by dinos22

what is your bios vcore...........I BET YOU a left nut you have a difference of at least 0.05V from bios setting to load in windows with small ffts :D

what's u means?can u tell me P5W's vdroop in u experience?sorry ,i don't have P5W,thx:confused:
09-03-2006, 12:39 AM
Lestat

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ZipZoomFly Part#: 240505
Lead Time: Out of Stock
Manufacturer: ABIT
Manufacturer SKU: AW9D-MAX
Our Price: $299.00
Quantity Limit 20 Per customer

you god forsaken greedy bastards!!!
NONE of these boards are worth this kind of outlandish price gouging. you jerks at the MFG's need to get your head out of the money pit and get with the program. these 300 dollar boards like the Asus WS and WS Pro are failures and only cuz of their price tag.. wtf.. man that board better come with a blow up doll of Miwa Oshiro or else.
09-03-2006, 12:49 AM
fhpchris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

you god forsaken greedy bastards!!!
NONE of these boards are worth this kind of outlandish price gouging. you jerks at the MFG's need to get your head out of the money pit and get with the program. these 300 dollar boards like the Asus WS and WS Pro are failures and only cuz of their price tag.. wtf.. man that board better come with a blow up doll of Miwa Oshiro or else.

WS pro costs 300$ because it has PCI-x.

This board will retail ~230-240$ ish, calm down.
09-03-2006, 08:41 PM
chainbolt

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBean

With badly designed circuits I would agree, you will have quite low efficiency due to heatlosses.

In the world of electronics, especially regulators, it is better to use more smaller vregs than one larger unit.

6 phases will not be as efficient as 12 phases, provided they are both designed to supply say, 20% headroom on a particular board, with a max rating cpu.

Now, with Conroe, and lesser power requirements in terms of total current needed, actually you will find a 4 or 6 phase vreg may be as efficient as you would want, and that a 12-phase design, won't harm anything, but may not neccessarily improve matters either - like the point of diminishing returns.

Conroe requires less, but higher resolution in current delivery than predecessors, so smaller ramps involtage is a requirement. So yes, in a well designed 4,5 or 6 phase design, you will find it loose approx as much heat as a 8 or 12 phase design, cause you are not pushing the limits with Conroe and a 4 phase or whatever the case is.

Even at 3.6 gig the 4-5 phase would be very adequate. Where we will see an advantage will be with Kentsfield, where a 8 or 12 phase design will proof more efficient, with the resulting lower ripple on the cpu supply lines.

Interesting explanations. :) Somewhat it seems the ever increasing "phases" are more driven by marketing than actual hardware requirements or benefits. Im many years I never found any overclocking advantage with boards that claimed to have a better power supply due to more phases.
09-03-2006, 08:43 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by chainbolt

Interesting explanations. :) Somewhat it seems the ever increasing "phases" are more driven by marketing than actual hardware requirements or benefits. Im many years I never found any overclocking advantage with boards that claimed to have a better power supply due to more phases.

lol chainbolt at XS

OCAU must be down or something :p:
09-03-2006, 08:48 PM
chainbolt

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Originally Posted by dinos22

lol chainbolt at XS

OCAU must be down or something :p:

I think I am few years longer here than you ;)
09-03-2006, 08:53 PM
sierra_bound

I wouldn't rely on software to measure Vdroop. The only accurate way is with a DMM.
09-03-2006, 08:57 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by chainbolt

I think I am few years longer here than you ;)

lol that's funny

you want to see something funnier

what do you get when you divide my postcount of 3219 by your postcount of 209

believe it or not you get EXACTLY 209 :eek: NOW THAT'S FUNNY :ROTF:

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/626/untitledbv3.jpg
09-03-2006, 09:07 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by chainbolt

Interesting explanations. :) Somewhat it seems the ever increasing "phases" are more driven by marketing than actual hardware requirements or benefits. Im many years I never found any overclocking advantage with boards that claimed to have a better power supply due to more phases.

hey chainy fancy seeing you here :) question is how far have you pushed the oc'ing envelope too.. stock heatsink air doesn't count :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

I wouldn't rely on software to measure Vdroop. The only accurate way is with a DMM.

after all these years i wonder why hasn't any board manufacturer included DMM measuring holes on their boards where can attach a DMM probe to and measure voltages without having to prod and poke around the board hehe
09-03-2006, 09:14 PM
chainbolt

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

hey chainy fancy seeing you here :) question is how far have you pushed the oc'ing envelope too.. stock heatsink air doesn't count :D

well, you always try :)
09-03-2006, 09:16 PM
m0da

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

lol that's funny

you want to see something funnier

what do you get when you divide my postcount of 3219 by your postcount of 209

believe it or not you get EXACTLY 209 :eek: NOW THAT'S FUNNY :ROTF:

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/626/untitledbv3.jpg

3219 / 209 = 15.4...
eh. anyone, keep us updated on the abit!
09-03-2006, 09:19 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by m0da

3219 / 209 = 15.4...
eh. anyone, keep us updated on the abit!

wtf you're right i even did the calculation twice.............I NEED TO STOP SMOKING THOSE MUSHROOMS hits myself :slap:
09-03-2006, 11:31 PM
chainbolt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

wtf.. man that board better come with a blow up doll of Miwa Oshiro or else.

I don't think our Chinese friends would use this Japanese beauty to "refine" their product. :p:

Unfortuntaly, it seems there isn't much "hard" information available yet about the AW9D. This piece does not help either:

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Due to the incredibly small amount of time (read: less than five hours) we had with this pre-production sample, we didn't have much time to spend overclocking the board.

We started with the 8x multiplier on our Core 2 Extreme X6800, and got the board running at 359MHz FSB. We were able to replicate this with the 10x multiplier too.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...w9d_max/6.html
09-04-2006, 12:00 AM
coolaler

no matter how many phase does a mobo has, the only thing I want is to have great oc ability.:D
09-04-2006, 03:56 AM
flewpastu

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolaler

no matter how many phase does a mobo has, the only thing I want is to have great oc ability.:D

you got that right

4 phase or 8 phase i'm still getting it no matter what

coolaler the AW9D Max you used is it retail or early release sample ? just currious

thanks again

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