wheres the best place to buy a 3800 in the uk looking for good stepping ie 2.8+ on air i need to replace my opty 146 cabye also have phase cooler so preferably a source that has not so coldbugged chips any help much appriciated
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wheres the best place to buy a 3800 in the uk looking for good stepping ie 2.8+ on air i need to replace my opty 146 cabye also have phase cooler so preferably a source that has not so coldbugged chips any help much appriciated
Now that is nice. What cooling?
That was in response to Malph incidentally.
I just asked for the steppings from sellers on eBay. It'll be a bit of a crapshoot with a big etailer, but if they sell a lot of chips then you have a better chance of getting something like an 0619 Toledo core. I've seen later Manchester cores that weren't doing much though.
LDBFE 0622WPMW any good?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostMaster
my is LDBFE 0614 WPMW and its good, 2800MHz 1.45v/1.47 i think its good for manchester and a 150€ cpu.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
It's on water with an ambient air temp. of 23 deg.
Looks like it's going to need a big v-core increase to get from 2.8 to 3GHz.
2.9 GHz needs 1.38V (bios setting) or 1.41V measuring with a DMM
3.0 Ghz looks like it's going to need 1.45V to be prime stable.
I've been looking and not much luck at the moment. I have contacted usual places and they just say they have both revisions and its pot luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk
so what best atm manchester or toledo i can get both and there are quite a few ldbfe 0622 aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
and a few sites have them as good clockers
1 TopBanana AMD X2 3800+ 3405 LDBFE 0614 WPMW 340 10 1,63 DFI Lanparty NF4-SLI-D E.C.T. Mach2 GT
2 TopBanana AMD X2 3800+ 3322 LDBFE 0622 WPMW 332 10 1,63 DFI Lanparty NF4-SLI-D E.C.T. Mach2 GT
Well my results aren't fantastic with an E4 Manc core.... Really want to find somewhere doing E6 revisions
That's some pretty decent WCing you got going Malph. Only a few degrees over ambient after being under load for hours.
What stepping are you on Firelord?
Where you been looking pocketbikeuk?
overclockers scan arai ebay everywhere online forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
i find a few good reports of lbdfe 0622 but then some real bad ones i just found like 2.5ghz at 1.55v really not sure where to buy one from
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
LDBFE 0620VPBW - 2.7GHz with 1.5v with prime lasting for 10hrs on core1 but failing after 40-60mins on core0 and its pushing some serious heat! Was the E4 110w and E6 89w?
i think its the same 89w both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
Its crazy as at 1.5v its pushing more heat than the X2 4400+ @ 1.57v...
God why can't the UK get sites that gives revisions *mad*
I'm not sure about those temps in that A64 program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
MBM reports 35 degree load temp on the cpu, IHS has been removed.
So I got angry with what I thought were heat related issues. Cracked open a Wilkinson Sword disposable, got out the isopropyl alcohol and sliced the IHS off.
Yes, I did drink beforehand. There was no way I was going to wreck a £100 CPU without being under the influence.
I'm no expert, but there was a lot of TIM under the IHS and it wasn't exactly smooth on. There were a few patches where it was either quite thick or quite thin. It's definitely helping. Now I'm not sure what temperatures I trust, but I do know that whether I use Core Temp or Speedfan. According to Speedfan, I'm idling at 24C or so now. We're looking at a drop of at least 15, maybe as much as 20 degrees celsius.
I'm using a Thermalright SLK 948U, which I'd quite like lapped given that it seems a bit beat up and I've not put any TIM on at all yet. I'm going to do a quick run of Orthos and see what happens.
Fire extinguishers at the ready...
x2 3800+ E6 toledos are very difficult to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
there's no one in france but all the bests i've found was in germany.
I got a Manchester (from Newegg) that won't do better than 2.5Ghz at 1.52v.
Anyone find a reliable source for Toledo LCBIE 3800's yet?
Mine is headed for Ebay as soon as I can find a decent replacement.
Toledos LCBIE are great, MAnchesters LDBFE 0614 are good too, my 2800Mhz at 1.45v, 2600Mhz 1.33v.
X2 3800 coming from Newegg on Thursday. Will post back with stepping/dates. Great thread. Hoping for a Toledo. /crosses fingers.
LDBFE 0622 EPMW
2.6Ghz at stock volts.
Testing past that now, but I have a Zalman 6000+ holding me back.
With a steady 77F room temp, pushing 1.45v to the chip for stability at 2.7Ghz - the core and PWMIC both get to near 60C when both cores are loaded full, and it fails Prime95 at that temp. Using ITE Smart Guardian for temps. Chipset is stock volts and 43 with case side on. It's an old Antec 1060B server tower case. I've got a 2x Panaflo 80mm for intake/exhaust plus the PSU fan. It was more than enough for the Venice.
I turned the AC to take me down to 74F. With the side off my case, I'm down to 52C and 46C core and PWMIC temps. (The Venice threw errors anywhere over 49C). With the side on the PWMIC breaks 50C and when it hits 50C+, I start to error out...
This 6000b-Cu kept my Venice 3000+ cool enough to do 2.6Ghz stable for months, but I think the X2 needs more love. Looking at the Tuniq Tower, Big Typhoon, and water as options. I'd REALLY like to get 2.8+ out of this chip, and 2.6Ghz at stock volts really makes me think I can get it.
I'm concerned if I move to water and PWMIC still remains a cooling issue. I've got a DFI Ultra-D. I'll start another thread for that issue once I get more data.
Anyway, LDBFE 0622 EPMW from Newegg (ordered 9/10) delivered 9/13 that does 2.6Ghz at stock volts. Not too shabby for a start.
How did you manage to mount your 6000b-Cu ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malph
Your sig's date code reads "0618", as oppossed to your quoted post above (post # 1009 from the previous page) which states "0619". Just curious as to which one is right.
I have an LCBIE 0619RPMW that I recently purchased (NIB) and was encouraged by your results, then I saw your sig...and became curious as to whether I should get exited or not. :D
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Originally Posted by Noubourne
2.6ghz at stock volts, nice.:D
LCBIE 'anything' is typically going to perform exceptionally well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Hmm, well, not as good as I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostMaster
It booted and SuperPi'd at 2.6 stock, but failed Prime after about 15 min. Not stable at 2.6 with stock volts.
I cranked it up to 1.4v and when I left home this morning I was at 8hrs+ on both cores no errors at 2.6Ghz - maxxing at 53C load. At least I know it will do 2.6Ghz stable. I guess I'll consider this a "burn in" run.
If the weather's nice I might not do much more with it for a bit.
Thanks for catching that. I had the date in my sig wrong. It is a LCBIE 0619 RPMW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Dual Prime ran for about 5 hours last night at 3.0GHz. I'm running it again with a small v-core increase.
hey I couldnt open the attachments in the very first post - is it only me?
If you can open it, can you please pm me the spreadsheet? Thanks...
Thanks for that update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malph
Very nice...3GHz on a dual core processor is a lot of bang for the $150-$160 price range, in my opinion. May not beat a Conroe, but does all the work that you need it to do without breaking the bank. I believe that it is certainly among the best value/performance cpus that you can buy today.
Mine (same exact stepping as yours) is still in the box, but it won't be there much longer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I agree ;)
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/CPUS/3...0mhz-1.50v.jpg
Some updates on my LCBIE 0619 RPMW
Dual Prime at 3 GHz
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5...z6hrpx3.th.jpg
Dual 32M SuperPi at 3050 MHz
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3...erpiqr3.th.jpg
Dual 1M SuperPi at 3100 MHz
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3...pi1mkr1.th.jpg
This thread is awesome and helped me decide on the 3800 instead of the 4600 for $100 more. Ppl are getting some really nice numbers from these chips.
2.6 on stock volts would make me a happy man. =]
I got one coming in from Newegg NJ on Monday or Tuesday. I am hoping it will be a Toledo, but it's doubtful. Anyone receive one from NJ recently?
Mine was from NJ but it was late Aug... 2+ weeks ago.
I hope you get a great one. Mine is mediocre. 2500 @ 1.52v
the one before my Toledo was from the NJ warehouse.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=859
finally I got some time to work on my new config: the old A8N-Sli Premium and the 2*1GB Teamgroup has now a new friend (I will also use the new D-TEK MP-05 on it so a little overvolt will be fine...) :
ADA3800DAA5CD
LCBBE 0629 GPMW
I was surprised from the stepping as I was not able to find info about it...in any case...so far so good, I still have problems with the temperatures (think something is wrong in my config: 36° idle - 48° full load with Orthos) BUT
in few minutes I weas able to jump @ 275*10 @default vcore :) (not the limit yet, just stopped my tests)
as soon as my cooling system is OK I will go further testing :woot:
I'm ordering a 3800 by the end of the day, and now that i know Aria was actually stocking Manchesters (even though they're completelely out of stock of all x2 3800s now anyway) i'm at a loss as to where to order from. Options are OCUK, Scan and Chillblast (Dabs, Ebuyer, Aria, Kustom PCs etc. are all out of stock), and nowhere is identifying their stock as Toledo core. But my question is this...
Has anyone in the UK received a Toledo from any of these retailers recently anyway?
I ask this because i heard e-tailers do not always make the effort to update their systems when they receive new stock, and would embrace any opportunity to land myself a Toledo instead of a Manchester.
Thanks.
Ether...if you fail in UK try this....send an email to info@ictpisa.it to Mr Stefano and ask him if they will ship to UK; I bought mine there, and he told me he had a bunch of 10 pieces all with the same steppingQuote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
ADA3800DAA5CD
LCBBE 0629 GPMW
in tghe website the 3800 X2 are still available, just ask him the stepping...
he is very friendly (he unpacked the box he had just received to check if there were different steppings inside) so I think that it's worth to try :)
It's a good idea boboli but my schedule is tight and i really need to have the parts for my upgrade here as soon as possible, because i am leaving home soon and taking my PC with me. Ordering from Italy would cause complications and probably take longer than i have to spare, and i was hoping to get all my parts ordered today so that the shops could dispatch the items tomorrow.
Well nope seems once again the UK gets the sucky steppings and etailers (is it that difficult to say the revisions when the american sites can!). I emailed scan and they bascially said luck of the drawer over if you get E4 or E6. Chillblast said they had mancs in
Yeah man, i just f*ckin' jibbed it in the end and ordered a supposed Manchester from OCUK, but i guess i won't really know what i've got 'til i've actually got it 'cos they won't even reply to my emails. Might end up being a LCBIE Toledo (or that's what i'm hoping anyway :p) but i'll get back to you when it arrives tomorrow.
285*10 @default orthos running, 3dmarked, spi 1Mb 31.500 sec :)
160 euro and is not really a bad cpu
Woo, got my x2 3800 today, an LDBHE 0606 BPBW. I won't be testing for another few days yet as i'm still waiting for parts in the post. But my Infinity came today too :), can't wait to put these two together!
I think LDBHE 0606 is reasonable, no? Not sure about the BPBW tho. Any clues?
Yepeee todays the big day! I will post the stepping once my package arrives.
I have 2 different mobos to test her out on:
Foxconn 6150
or
Asus A8N-SLi
...anyone predictions for the better OC?
Hi:Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
Just letting you know that I've ordered a X3800+ from OCUK last Wednesday it turned out to be a LDBFE 0622WPMW, I'm still testing it but so far it has been running @ 2.6Ghz 1.40V (1.43V actual) with 2 F@H clients and no problem.
It's not great but plenty enough for me! :)
I got 0622 EPMW, is this good?
EDIT: its marked N in the corner if that means anything.
yea, i want to know the same thing. i have a toledo with a T in the corner. that mean anything?
there wa a huge thread talking about this N & T
search for it and post the link back here so everyone can read it :)
I cant seem to find it because you cant search for single letters. Anyone know where it is?
Where in the corner are we talking about? I've heard of T chips etc. but can't find any letter in the corner of mine?
And LDBHE 0606 BPBW... any clues? BPBW?
you can see on the top left corner of the PCB there is a T (upside down).Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1...dox2015la7.jpg
Ah i geddit now. Wasn't looking on the PCB, was looking on the IHS. Mine = T.
2.4ghz stable at stock volts so far. Temps are 31-32c with Freezer Pro. I'm glad I didn't keep my 4600!
Yepeee!
Just put in in your rig and................TEST THE S.O.B.!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kimbo
:toast:
I just got a LDBFE 0625APAW from Newegg 3-4 days ago. I have it running at 2.7Ghz @1.42v (loaded volts...damn Asus and it's vdroop crap. When idle, it feeds the chip 1.45...under load...1.42 - which is what's set in Bios) and stays around 45-47c with an XP-90.
I have an A8N32-SLI and was playing around with it when I got the chip. Maxxed out the htt at 400x6.5 and dual primed it for around 6 hours. Never had a hiccup. However, I can't get the chip stable much above 2.7ghz. 2.75ghz will boot to windows, but isn't superpi or prime stable. 2.8ghz won't boot into windows. I can post at 3ghz (but don't ask for anything other than the initial post screen :p )
anyone know of any of the settings I can change in this A8N32 bios to maybe squeeze 2.8ghz out of it???? I've even fed it 1.55v and it wouldn't do 2.8. it just hits a wall and won't go any farther (with stability) no matter what voltage, multiplier, htt speed, ram divider, etc.
:EDIT: and is there a vdroop mod for the A8N32??? I've been googling for a while and going through the search function here but have yet to find anything.
Got my new X2 3800+ Manchester up and running today, after having difficulties getting the 2nd core to work. But now it seems good.
Its a "LDBFE 0626DPMW"`with a "T" in the corner, which seems to be a pretty new one, right? Well, I havent tried any overclocking on it yet, but it will surely come later, and then ill keep ya all update ;) Anyone know what to expect from it?
2600 at stock volts will do i think, but test.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by S!1v3rB@cK_Dk
My LDBHE 0606 only does 2.4Ghz at stock volts, but for a £100 CPU that's still enough to make me happy. Haven't tested much further than that but it seems to bum out pretty quickly - 2700mhz is unstable even with 1.54v (bios), and anything over that starts gettin' pretty toasty.
I'm running mine rock solid stable 2.5ghz @ stock volts. I didn't go for higher than that, I may try later but this is fine for now. Temps are cool @ 30c. This is one nice chip!
I could push mine to 2.5ghz at 1.48volts on air :( I need to give 1.6+ volts to hit 2.6ghz... It's a ADBHE 0521 TPMW
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7...01v2bu3.th.jpg
Ouch m8. I thought i was hard done.
just got 2 3800+ X@ from Dave Graham few hours ago
installed mine and booted up with the settings in the screenshot below :woot:
it is
ADA3800AA5CD
LCBIE 0619RPMW
volt in bois 1.35v
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9437/2pj3.jpg
lol I need to get one of these.
It would be interesting to see some temps from Core Temp.
At 260x10 and stock volts my toledo runs at 55C and 52C under load.
How are your toledos doing?
thanks :)
55c at idle and 52c under load? That's one badass, thermodynamically-subversive CPU you got there, m8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lifthanger
I was praying for a Toledo when i made the buy but nevertheless my Manchester is doing pretty well - 2650mhz 1.48vbios 1.456vcpuz 40c @ LOAD under Infinity (according to Smartguardian). I love UK winters :).
well I was talking about Core Temp. SmartGuardian, is at out 42C.
But I consider smart guardian's value as useless. I'd like to have some comparisions with core temp.
lol it was a joke, m8. My Core Temp readings are about the same - hovering around or just over 50c. Thankfully there's never more than a couple of degrees difference between the two cores, so my IHS mount must be pretty sweet.
I have a TT BT on the way to see if I can control the heat on my X2 which is sitting pretty at 2.7GHz. The Arctic Cooling 64 Pro is great if running stock but once you add VCore and upping the TDP it just can't cope. It did a good job on my 146 @ 2.9GHz however.
The Manchesters don't seem to be doing as well as the tolly's.
What board are you running in EE?
aww, sorry I didn't get it :).Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
My IHS mount must be pretty awful. Difference can be up to 7C.
Also if core 0 is under load only temps are 37C and 35C, but with core 1 only it is 37C 42C.
Should be the IHS?!
It could be the IHS. I think whilst great as allows easy mounting I think they do a good job of retaining the heat as much as it removes it
My load temperatures:
MBM5/SG: 45-48°C
CoreTemp: core0 53-54°C, core1 47-48°C.
From my experience CoreTemp reacts very quickly to all kind of changes in fan speeds and case temperatures. Seems reliable for my system.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5...temprs3.th.jpg
Something else that came into my mind: I was looking at AMD's site some revision information and it looks like the X2 3800+ tray model ADA3800DAA5CD is labeled as E6 (=Toledo). The code for the boxed models is the same for E4 and E6. I thought this might help if someone is still looking for a X2 3800+ Toledo.
Edit: link
I just recieve the same stepping today :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by NST6563
I will be testing it tomorrow :banana:
At at 1.3v vcore? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by elected
It has kinda proved to me my NInja isn't doing its job as it can't keep my x2 3800+ under 50C load in MBM at 2.7ghz stock volts. (1.35v) and thats with 16c room temperature.
Got my TTBT this morning and first off its quieter than the Freezer 64 at full tilt and secondly (which I think is most important) it is around 8c cooler and not mounted properly as in i've used the stock a64 retention clip instead of the screw down bracket ala BT VX model.
Both cores loaded I am getting 54c on core0 and 50c on core1. Thats with 1.52v in the bios. Might see if she'll clock a bit more now :)
that's a really nice drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
thanks to all for posting core temp values.
That was the reassurance I needed to find the limits at stock volts. :)
can someone please suggest the best bios update (with a link) for the DFI Expert running a 3800+ Toledo and 2GB DDR 500 Z503 Ballistix.
Thank you!
Hey guys..
Can anyone tell me which bios for this board is the best when overclocking an X2 3800+ Manchester on the MSI K8N Neo2? I have tried 1.C official and 1.C Final Beta with very bad results.. Only 2.15GHz overclock no matter what voltage! When using 1.D2 I was able to get 2.4GHz with standard voltage - Hurray! But im not satisfied, as it takes 1.47v just to get 2.5GHz stable.
I think thats quite a big increase from 1.35-1.47v just to get 100MHz more! Is it really possible?
So which bios will help me get more MHz or doesn's it have anything to do with the bios at all!?
Thx in advance
I doubt that the change of bios will improve your OC.
how come u r a ultra-d user and says something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by skandal
uu should find ur high O/C ( may be not 100% stable) with ur current bois then try the 704-2bta, 510, 623 and see urself that it does matter when talking about highest o/c
I'm stuck at 2.95 and could use some help. I haven't updated my sig but I have an X2 3800 Toledo on an Expert with bios 04.06.2006 from the website, and am considering Merlin's 10.07.2006.
thanks!
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/745/settingssh6.jpg
Well it can improve your memory OC, but the CPU... well i really don't see how.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
BIOS version only matters on DFI LP boards and only where memory timings are concerned. Only DFI uses three separate romsip tables that are tailored towards different RAM ICs. All other mobos like MSI, Asus, etc. use just one generic romsip table for all the BIOS versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
I think even with DFI bios, you can make the three different romsip versions identical by manually adjusting the memory timings.
I also believe BIOS version doesn't really matter. I get identical results with any DFI BIOS when all settings are manually entered. The only difference I see is that the modded bios just tend not to be as stable as the officials. JMO, many people would not agree with me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lifthanger
My ihs is gone and Core 1 still loads 3-6C hotter than Core 0 :fact: :confused:
same with mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyefan
finally got it! 3GHz! took Merlin's excellent bios to get there.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5...i32mny0.th.jpghttp://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7...0250in2.th.jpg
nice douirc :clap: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by douirc
Merlin
LDBHE 0605FPMW
3800 x2 2006 Manc
2.8Ghz @ 1.55 on air could push for more im sure it will do it on these volts aswell but happy where im at at the moment (2.8 was my goal) around 38-40 idle and 45-48 load pretty happy with it and im on an arctic freezer 64 pro :)
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8...x2ocmh1.th.jpg
Tom|Nbk,
When you say under load at 45-48, how are you loading and for how long?
I also use an Arctic Freezer pro (with as5) and if I load both cores with Prime95 for 2 minutes at 2650MHz and 1.43v, I have temps from coretemp at 62-68C. (At idle the temps are 40-42, so there we are in the same area.)
Either your cooler is much cooler, or my load must be higher.
I'm thinking the Arctic just can't handle the o/c and I need to go to H2O.
iajg
LDBHE 0601 SPMW
anyone know some info on this cpu, max i got it to was 2.6 @ 1.35. 2.7 @ 1.4V, 2.8 @ 1.55
I got mine to the 2950mhz-ish area on 1.5 or 1.525 Volts, but it wasn't primestable, so I yanked it down a notch to 2.7ghz 1.425V... I even had it to 3ghz, but then I got a reboot in xp after about 15 sec, can't remember the voltage though.
extra large sif :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by freakBYnature