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So the only solution would be for ATI to use a better compositing chip on the next version of the master cards . No problem. I'll just wait until the new revised master cards comes out. The only question is will ATI revise the technology to accomodate a very small portion of market running at very high resolutions. While I wait I guess I can just run a single Nvidia card on my Crossfire platform. :hitself:Quote:
Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
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Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
Geez guys..only reading what you want....
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This is not confirmed, but the spy shots from finished hardware makes this appear to be the case.
Should i repeat it?
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This is not confirmed, but the spy shots from finished hardware makes this appear to be the case.
so in short we still know jack :banana::banana::banana::banana: about crossfire and the R520 or atleast as far as we can prove...
exactly :PQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
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Originally Posted by cadaveca
Missed that, sorry...
It's not a rumour, it's confirmed. High resolution gaming with flicker free refresh rates is only for SLI. Live with it.
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Originally Posted by HaLDoL
lol how is it confirmed? because it was posted as a rumor in the ati news thread?
show me where ati confirms those rumor and ill shut up, but i think that rumor is BS. i honesltly dont think ati is that dumb.
Please, let me make up for my errant way's :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaLDoL
This is not CF, but apparently the res issue will only effect the older X8xx cards. If those rumours hold any water after launch.Quote:
Dual dual-link DVI a bunch of lies you say? Two 30 inch Apple Cinema displays run at native res from one display adaptor.
Thanks to Hanners @ Elite Bastards for the link :)
Edit: OK, I was poking around at Hexus and found this quote to back up my previuos statement.
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Crossfire with R5-series GPUs suffers no such limitation given the dual-link outputs for DVI. Enough said.
AVIVO Preview
thank you very much.
kind of looks like the 7800 doesn't it
X1800 XL
http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...es/x1800xl.jpg
7800gtx
http://images10.newegg.com/productim...127-187-02.JPG
C'mon nn_step, you can plainly see the new ATI model is....
red ;)
of course, just note the fact that they have similiar PCB form...
looks like they are starting to look alike...
iirc, they are identical in lenght, only the R520 is quite a bit taller. The generic HSF does make it look similar, however I assure you this is not the case.
lol same PCB form?! are you even looking at the card :D :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
So if they are in mass production now, when do you think there will be real availability? Also i was wondering if anyone can confirm this: that the 1800XL won't be able to overclock much, unlike the XT which will be able to overclock quite a bit.
so any delievery dates yet for the DR-BT?
We know it's cold in MI but geeeeee, how many times has this been asked? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I bought myself an ecs x200 board to tide me over till the board comes out, 40 bucks, heh
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2539&p=5
the grouper is dead...
crossfire too if they don't make some major upgrades or overclock like a son of a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:...
how did you come to those conclusions? That article was just a test of integrated video...nobody cares about that. It has nothing to do with crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
One thing puzzling me is how did anandtech get ahold of a grouper board with integrated video? I thought (based on the latest info available) retail grouper boards won't have integrated video. Did anandtech use one of the 1st engineering samples or what? Not that i care about integrated video. ;)
The linky is dead now :confused:
The anandtech one? :confused: It works fine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
I would still buy one if it performs and is reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
They state it's a "ATI Grouper Reference Board (RS480)." But my thinking is it's just a SFF RS480 board and maybe they're using the wrong terminology, as the Sapphire board they recently tested certainly did not have onboard graphics.
Maybe it was the Bullhead board in this article:
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2269
It had integrated video...
the RS480 has integrated graphics
the RX480 doesn't...
So they are accurate.. and as for the fate of grouper.. quad SLi will kill it shortly
Yeah right, like the world wants to buy four video cards......Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
They are in different markets.
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Originally Posted by nn_step
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Seriously, why do you compare Grouper to SLI? When Grouper is single GFX card based. Also quad SLI is just a gimmick man, for now current PC's can barely get the full benifit out of two GFX cards, nevermind four. :slap:
But they will shortly... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by madpete
Yup! Don't buy anything dood! I mean after all, something will come out in a while and beat it too :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
but half the fun is having the best.. Atleast for a couple of weeks...
It's like the addiction of trying to set a new record for clockspeed or the highest benchmarks..
It gets in your blood and sticks there...
as for something beating it SOon is complete bullsht...
It will take atleast a couple months... :D
alright, i KNOW this has probably been answered in the 42 page monstrosity but, what's with all the empty bios slots? (aka near the main bios and under the PCI slots) what are they all for?
Tulatin catch
excellent toss...
nn_step thats a lot of posts in one month.
Thanks IRQ :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
well, hope their out soon, i'm bout to start ordering my A64 system, and i'd love to have an ati chipset dfi board for the new opteron i'm ordering
Are we still on for the end of this week? I have a new system waiting for this board :D.
doesn't even matter. x-fire is a bust as of right now.
x-fire being dual card? if that means ati dual cards are out, that's fine w/ me, but the chipset/board, that's what i'm concerned with
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Originally Posted by situman
perhaps, but xfire is at the bottom of my favorite features on halibut.
I'm glad I have no ATI stock shares ATM, a couple of years ago they would have been OK but now you could lose your pants :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Big Toe "I have been promised the skyblue(maybe) special will be available to test before the end of this month....can't wait!!!"[/QUOTE]
Any chance you have this unit yet BT? :slobber:
uh, it is the end of the month.....
and yet no BT special
Waiiiiiiiiiiting :confused:
Still :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
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RDX200 next week, LP UT CF-BT 3 weeks :( but it is coming. DFI are tweaking the memory traces over 4 layers to hopefully boost the overclocking even further, hence the slight delay. They also have had to source all the components to ATI specs..( and they are very high) so that has taken time also.
So you have the choice of 2 crossfire boards from DFI, Oskars RDX200 and the CF-BT, i will have the RDX next week and will report how it is and as soon as i have the CF-BT you know I will be posting.
Hey Tony, when you say next week for the RDX200 is that available to buy or just anounced? If its available to buy, are we talking US only or UK too?
Thanks man.
3 weeks for the CF-BT, man that's perfect for my timing :D
Best news I've gotten in a long long time. Thx for the update BT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
samples, not retailQuote:
Originally Posted by madpete
Right ok, thanks. :toast:
3 More week! Whoa, I don't think I can wait that long man... I hate waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These last minute changes better be worth it!!! Please hurry up :)
3 weeks just for the samples? That means retail availability in at least a month? I can't wait that long either. :(
Was supposed to have my new pc built by the end of July. I can't wait anymore. :stick:
You will need to wait anyway as the NF4 Expert will ship in a few weeks and the RDX200 will hit sores in 2 weeks as well.
Why rush now when so many boards are just about to launch?
do what I did, buy a $40 ecs x200 board to tide u over, heh
Well, the DFI NF4 expert is what i was going to buy, since i saw ETAs as early as September 30 and October 6th. It is between dfi nf4 expert and DFI CF-BT for me. But you are just crushing my hopes with those new ETAs, lol. :toast: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I would, but i plan on spending a few hours building my PC, wiring each individual wire around the case for better airflow. So i only want to build it once. Only thing holding me up is the lack of a good motherboard. It's going to be either DFI nf4 expert or DFI CF-BT, whichever comes out first. I lost interest in Grouper. Sapphire took too long getting it to the market, and they cut too many corners. Might as well pay the premium and get a DFI board.Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
So no chance that I can get one before my birthday? :(
Yeah I hate eta's that never arrive.
holy :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: i just read all 43 pages
i really hope at least one of these mobo's come out before christmas, coz im planning a major upgrade....finally (bit of a change from a 900mhz duron :p: )
ive read some good things, ive read a lot of bad things(a certain brand which cuts corners?), i reckon that somebody should probably start selling these motherboards?
and about that issue of 1600 x 1200 @ 60....im gonna cry if it cant do better with a X850 XT PE, coz thats what im getting :(
Since, as far as I can tell, there are only 2 posters in this thread, up til now, that are in a position to know just what manufacturers are doing, and there are very few people if any that actually have a retail CrossFire mobo, 99% of this thread is pure speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/Cr...herboards.html
ATI have had a hard time getting the chipset this far, the issues have been quite huge as they had to design a performance chipset from the ground up. Please remember NVidia have been at performance chipsets a lot longer so will be a little further ahead.
Now, i have spoken to Sapphire and have been assured they are putting the good components back on grouper(single 16x slot) so those looking for this board need to keep Oct 10th or so in mind. I have been promised an early sample so will post as it arrives.
I talked DFI into making the crossfire version, they wanted it to overclock ram a little better so are reworking it slightly, I have been told end of this month for this board. The RDX200 board which is engineered just like the NF4 expert is out next week for samples and week after for retail I hear. Also i hear the expert NF4 will not feature the new chipset that does 16x x2 its still does the old 8x8 so keep this in mind if you were looking for 16x16.
Finally i also hear ECS have done a crossfire clone, I have NOT seen this board so i can't comment on what it does, i know Wesley over at Anandtech is getting a sample soon so we will know as soon as he sets the board up.
ATI have been keen to show just what the engineers are capable of designing, i expect we will see some of the features from grouper etc moved into many forthcoming motherboards. As I said earlier in the thread its been over a year since I suggested a few design must haves, the boards have have changed many times trying to perfect each aspect. i can now say even in raw reference mode the ES boards clock pretty damn sweet, they clock well under phase as they were designed with extreme cooling in mind and they have the best voltage regulation i have ever seen.
Whether you wait is purely upto you.
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Originally Posted by Tony
Excellent news. Sounds like this board will time in fairly nicely with the arrival of my Opteron 144. Once again thanks for all your efforts Tony, you da man :toast:
oh, i'll wait, would love to only have to buy 1 socket 939 mobo, and i'm certainly glad i've held out this long
Tony
Oct 10th is retail for the Sapphire Grouper?
Thanks very much for keeping us in the loop.
Out of all the boards coming out that will support crossfire, which will be the best overclocking board? A small list maybe? Is the one coming out on the 10th any good?
I have a feeling, because of sapphires reputation as ati's premier partner, the board will be up to spec and an exceptional performer. :)
Im running a dell 24 inch lcd, native res is 1920 by 1200 I play cs source at the moment alot, and at 1920 by 1200 my 9800 pro at past xt speeds is having trouble. Now I read somewhere that 1600by 1200 @ 60hz limitaion of the current crossfire platform doesnt matter for lcds... because lcds dont use refresh rates? Is this true, will I notice anything negative if I run my games at 1920 by 1200?
I paid alot of money for my screen... more then the crossfire setup will cost me... so :( if this doesnt effect me Ill buy it, But I am not willing to run a lower res. :nono:
I still don't understand why ati just doesn't release a BBATI board.... someone want to enlighten us? Everyone knows the BBATI cards are first class. Guess ati doesn't have the facilities?
You won't be able to use more than 1600x1200 if you don't use ATI's next gen GPUs, it's just that 1600x1200@60Hhz is playable on a LCD but will kill your eyes with no delay on a CRT.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
well I'm playing only on this lcd, and so refresh rate has no effect on an lcd? so how about 40hz? wont notice it?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...amb_2d001_2dsp
Grouper on pre order in the UK
I wonder when its gona reach Singapore......we have always had good availability of Sapphire hardware though we have to wait initially for them to arrive..... :)
They have had that on pre order for well over a month, (see they have now removed ETA, as it did say september)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Shame they are the UK worst etailer :slapass:
It's there too: http://www.materiel.net/details_12008-02-40.html, concerning availability it says: shortage :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by LowRun
uhh the x800 series doesnt limit your resolution, crossfire on the x800 series does, and from the way its looking now, a single x1800xt will be faster then the crossfire setups anyways, so the point is moot
untill you try to crossfire two x1800xts together...
Dude, it's pretty obvious we were talking CF :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
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Originally Posted by nn_step
x1800xt's in crossfire have support for higher resolutions and higher refresh rates then x800 series.
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Originally Posted by LowRun
oh, sorry, it wasnt obvious to me, as this is a motherboard thread, just ignore my statment. :toast:
If refresh rates dont effect my gaming on an lcd, then an x850xt pe will be fine, since im sure a x1800 will be over kill for what i play.
I can get the older cards for half price but not the newer cards. So does it refresh rate effect people gaming on lcds?
Anyways later on I can just get another x850xtpe. Ati would have had a killer setup on this expect for this issue.
With 1920 by 1200 res what hz couldx8xx series in cf push?
And if I go buy a x850xtpe right now, sometime in the futher maybe ati will relese updated x8xx series master cards with newer compelation chips that can support higher? is this a possiblity ati?
Strange, komplett.se have all three PURE mobos (Innovation, Crossfire, Performance) for preorder (nov 1st), but not komplett.co.uk.
as a quake 3 tricker, refresh rate is important, and why i'll stay on CRT for many years to come
just to let know... ABIT just release their ATI Crossfire Board
with ULI1575 Southbridge :clap:
http://www2.abit.com.tw/upload/products/at8_top_500.jpg
Thats pretty ugly but if it runs well who cares ;)
only one slot gap between cards?
no thanks.
that should be fine for single slot solution cooling for the cards...
Tictac, any ideas about actual availability of this product? DFI's offering seems to come mid October the earliest, those Groupers and Halibuts seem to be pure vaporware, how about Abit this time?Quote:
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who uses that?
DD has low profile gpu coolers. that might work.
The majority of people you buy computer parts and know nothing of aftermarket cooling or overclockingQuote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
lol dude, im not trying to make you angry or anything, but what is this mobo targeted towards? but still.....single slot :(Quote:
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Originally Posted by Revv23
who uses that?
The majority of people you buy computer parts and know nothing of aftermarket cooling or overclocking
it is targeted at people who want to overclock but don't listen..
Because we all know that the truely overclockable board will be the DFI BT ;)
Namely the people that get confused by hype and buy something that we wouldn't...
Quick question: Won't Oscar Wu be working on the DFI BT? Just the RX200?
it is target to those who need the stability of ULI 1575 Southbridge... smile :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
I'm the only person I know in person that knows about overclocking that I didn't have to explain it to, put it that way :D.
Oh and before anyone says anything, yes I know alot of people. knowledgeable people. :D
hey all, if you have'nt checked out the news threads all you set on crossfire boards the non bt dfi DFI Lanparty UT RDX200CF-DR has been spotted in retail anyone using home theater for sound might be interested.
Where have they been spotted? Any in the good ole' U.S. of A? And what performance wise does the BT have over the DR. I'm not quite fimiliar with that perticular southbridge.