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Did they give you a specific quote or did they just say over $1500. I wonder how much it would be, I might be able to swing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
Edit: I know I am new but I lurk on a lot of forums. Been following this case now for a while and I would like to see it made.
I'm already purchasing the new murderbox and don't want to be forking out another $1500 for this beauty.. but I will have to if its ever manufactured. Its everything a watercooler dreams of and more.
it wont be 1500 per case, just for the one off prototyping, for when they have to write their programs and make their tools for a production, after that it will be about 50-70 per case, and I'm guessing Mick will want a good amount of profit so maybe 250-350 when sold?
I don't think I'm understanding correctly. 250-350 dollars per case!? :shocked:
That's not an entirely honest answer... I already produced a case in which you can fit 4x480mm radiators and which support form factors from mATX to HPTX and it is a case you can disassemble in 3 big compartments:Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
roof (2x480mm rads)
center (hardware + 2x psu's)
bottom (2x480mm rads)
and the price I paid to make 1 sample was 1700$ (material + cut + painting).
I can post pics if you want, so you can compare dimensions and capability but I'm pretty sure you can't even come close to 250 - 350 $ per case... To reach such a low production cost you'd need to produce at least 50 - 70 sample in a row as a minimum...
Coincidentally, this is what i put in my email to them lol. My last post is wrong i meant to put down I requested a quote for a 1 off and a short production run of around 50-70 cases to get a ballpark figure, the one off was 1500 and the production ones after that were 125-150.Quote:
Originally Posted by .::NeO::.
Who made your case, Neo?
oh ok then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
I sent my DXF's to a local carpentry who cutted it for me. They also made the bend I needed and sanded and painted it for me. I'm @ work now as soon as I am home I'll post some pics
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(don't pay too much attention if some parts were a bit off, It was just a first test assemby
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Exteriors are 3mm thick alu, the interiors vary from a minimum of 1mm to a maximum of 1,5mm
A lot worse than Mick64's case, a lot, but it was my first attempt and I actually enjoyed building it :). I am now actually working on another one, and is coming pretty nice :)
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moar pic please!
.::NeO::.: imho it's worth to work on radgrill pattern for better looks (and possibly more open area to lessen airflow resistance).
Neo, holy crap. Fantastic looking case. I want!
That case is gorgeous neo :) you may not think its refined, but apart from some proper hex-patterned mesh for the rads, it looks amazing :)
Great update, guys! Keep up the good work.
I've had a look at other motherboard tray retaining systems (a component of the case that the motherboard tray slots or clips into for extra support, and most of them are too complex to manufacture cheaply, or simple but require extensive re design.
So, I've come up with what I think is a clean and simple solution, and should be easy enough to manufacture.
Thoughts?
This is the motherboard tray support "column"
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This is two simple slots in the motherboard tray
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and this is what it looks like when put together
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I could maybe put the support around the other way so the flaps are at the rear, perhaps?
Mick, thoughts? it's your case so I need approval lol
Looks like a good, simple solution to me. I think you should have more than one though, perhaps one at the top and one at the bottom to ensure the MB tray is held securely. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
Was just thinking the same thing. Protocase got back to me after having a good look at the files saying they are unable to do some of the bends, I'm assuming it's the pretty much nil-radius bends, but I'll find out when they wake up again (15 hour time difference, when it's 8AM here on Wednesday, its 5PM there on Tuesday. Means I have to be up at 4AM to get a decent email conversation in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick64
On another topic, I've got a case of my own planned, finally, after about 3 years.
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I'll work on the model some more when I get home and I'll update as it comes :)
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'll try to post some more pics as soon as I have the time to take them.
Actually this is what I'm working on atm. It is my new custom case that is going to see the light very soon :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fro9QQVKVY
Oh and btw, Individual, I should be able to give you the 10 slot I/O shield dimensions, I have received it today :)
p.s. I see you are using SolidWorks too. Can you tell me how you managed to do the tubing? (via PM if you like).
Thank-you!
Close copy of my design or divine inspiration? You decide.
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Too bad it looks like garbage
if I had to choose between caselabs case and yours, I'll definitely pick your case. I really cannot understand why there's so much astonishment around such cases. :shrug: Don't get me wrong, Caselabs is probably a great brand and I really like some features they used in STH10 and other caselabs cases, but seriously you can't say that those are sexy or good looking case. They're all squared! Basically is a big black rectangular shaped box with lot of room in it for crazy liquid cooling configurations. There are no shapes or sinuous corners that make you feel like :"oh, that's nice". And I can say the same for Mountain Mods cases. Everyone can make a big box with a lot of holes tbh... :shrug:
Lol it's a massive coincidence. I spoke to Jim from caselabs and they had this in the works before they knew of your case lol I agree the case isn't really distinctive looking, I would buy both because I love micks case and I'd built a nice all round system, and is still buy the caselabs one simply because its massive lol.
Neo, to do a tube in solid works, I havent used it in a while so I'm a little rusty, i mainly use inventor now (which you should get, it's 10 times easier and smoother)
Create a 2D sketch on the face that you want the tube to start on, then draw a circle of the OD size of the tube you want, end sketch.
Next start another 2d sketch, this time on the face you want the tube to end on. Put a point at the centre of where you want the tube to end.
Start a 3D sketch, click the spline tool, and make the start position the centre of your circle you just drew. make sure the spline is perpendicular to the circle, in other words, it goes straight up to begin with, then click to add a point in the spline
Next, click the on the point you created in the 2nd 2d sketch you will have a straight line pretty much, but you add points in the spline and move them about in 3D space to create natural curves in the tube.
To add more curve points, select the spline, right click on the position you wish to add the curve point to and select Insert Spline Point.
When you've got the shape of the tube sorted, finish the sketch, under the features tab is a Swept Boss/Bass option. Click on that. Select your circle as the bass, and the 3D spline sketch as the path.
tubes!! :)
I think caselabs cases are pretty damn good looking. Sure it would look nicer if it was rounded, but im sure that would add quite a bit to the manufacturing cost.
Well, he would say that wouldn't he. I doubt that he's going to say that it's based on my design. However, if they didn't have any prior knowledge of my design, then hats off to them! Great minds think alike! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by individual
Mick, caselab case isn't even close to your case design. :)
Am i wrong in my guess that both that and yours case was at least partially inspired by one of most popular cases for LC - TJ07? Imho it's not worth arguing that much and heatedly about prior art, it's possible to dwell very deep into pointless arguing flamewar. Same also about generic looks design (beauty is in eye of beholder). To me both your and caselabs cases look very good and well fit for purpose. I'd rather would dedicate more efforts in getting case in actual iron and to consumer, to let market/customer say the final word which is best. :)
I'm glad to see these designs being looked at once more.
It wasn't my intention to start any arguments, just wanted to show how similar the Caselabs Magnum sth10 was to my design in both looks and adaptability. As I have previously mentioned I like the case and would even buy one. I would have been flattered if Caseleabs had been influenced by my design. However, as they have stated that the Magnum was purely their own concept, then I can't praise their designers enough. At the time I designed my case there wasn't a case like this on the market. Now that there is, I am happy that the liquid cooling community have a little more choice as to what case to use for their next liquid cooled project. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Church
By the way, I wasn't actualy inspired by the TJ07, it was my own modified Antec P182 that first got me thinking about designing a case for liquid cooling.
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Hi individual,Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
first of all, sorry for the late reply but I've been busy with my upcoming project and with my girlfriend and family :)
second, thank-you so much for taking the time to write the instruction for the tubing in solidworks :up:
I have managed to measure my danger den 10 slot I/O panel and I can confirm that the dimensions are exactly like this model here --> http://grabcad.com/library/motherboa...o-10-pci-slots
So I can confirm that if your I/O shield has the same dimensions that the one I posted, you're good with that :)
Let me know if I can help you out on something else.
Oh and btw my sr-2/sr-x holes are the result of a bit of search on the web, especially this post here on XS -- http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...y-measurements (post number 3).
Best regards,
.::NeO::.
I'm glad to see someone is finally building this chassis! :up:
I think the LL V2000 is closer to Mick's design (or the other way around, actually, since the V2000 is quite old) and to be honest when i had a V2000 myself i thought about a similar design as well. And of course there is the TJ07 which is very similar as well.
In short, same problems often lead to the same solution, the only variation we would have would be horizontal mobo layouts...
sorry I haven't had an update in a while, been pretty busy. Probably have to find a new job soon, the business I'm with will probably be going under in the next month or so, so I've been hunting around and working like a dog getting all my orders out.
Protocase may be out of the question, they can't do some of the bends and a re-design means at least 3mm inside radius bends on everything, which would interfere with a lot of components, which means a complete re-design. however, a colleges uncle is a sheet metal expert and said he might be able to build it, a lot cheaper than what protocase quoted. If I had the time, I could build it, but unfortunately I don't.
The only thing I have left to do is the latches on the side panels and make sure every hole is defined to either 6-32" UNC/F standards or ISO metric 3&4mm which should only take a few hours. Hope to have the files fully completed this weekend :)
On a side note, If this business doesn't fold, I might just be producing my own compression fittings 3/8" size, not out of brass, not plated, out of either 304 stainless steel, or SAFF.
stainless 304 will never rust and it doesn't react with other metals as much as common watercooling block/fitting materials.
SAFF will never rust or corrode, and will not react at all with any other metal in your loop, it's used by BHP in their underwater oil drilling rigs. Rated rust free for 2000 years at a maximum of 400 degrees C and 35000 PSI. Needles to say, that option will be a lot more expensive.
I'd say to not mess with imho often too fine and easy to strip off M3 thread, and use only 6-32/M4.
If you are able to strip the thread in the first place, you're torquing the bolt way too much for its purpose.
I've never had issues with m3/m4? you can get variant pitch sizes, m3 comes in .5 .8 and 1., m4 comes in .8, 1. and 1.2
the M3 .5, I can see the potential to strip the thread, but if you use the .8 or 1. it won't. I've used M3 bolts on stuff a lot more stressful than a motionless computer case, eg small hydraulic reservoirs and coolant injectors on CNC lathes, never given me grief.
Not to be offensive, I just know their capabilities in high stress environments, and I've personally never stripped even an M3 .5
that been said, M4 would give more rigidity.
I got pulled over yesterday and had a medical issue come up, so funding for the case got spent and put on hold for the time being :(
it's all good Gimmpy :) I'm stuck at the moment too. this case WILL see light, it's waited 3 years already, a month or 2 won't kill the dream :)
Has there been any update on the progress of the conversion (no pressure just wondering if we have gone anywhere with it)?
Sorry guys, It's been a while. My workplace went under and had to find another job. took 2 months and had to sell a few things including my computer to make ends meet, unfortunately. But, I have another computer now and I kept the hard drives so i still have all the files.
I haven't been able to find anyone who can make this case yet. I know it can be done, even though production companies have said it will be too much to make tooling for it, it could be done by hand. I still dont have the time to do it myself unfortunately, I've been commissioned to build a 3D printer at work so that's also taking up a lot of time.
The only things that haven't been modeled (as far as i remember) are the case door latches.
If someone has the time, I can send you the inventor models and assembly.
Sorry I don't have better news guys.
3D printer you say? You that not be used to build a mock-up? :D