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VT-d is not supported in X and K procs so they will go ahead with it:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/tylersbu...-bay/8877.html
http://vr-zone.com/articles/more-san...ght/13639.html
Launch 14th November:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sandy-br...5th/13652.html
OK, Intel put back up the mobo comparison table with X79 boards.
No specs, only mention on the back of release in Q4'11.
http://www.intelbettertogether.com/m...parison_v2.pdf
I'm curious to see Intel XTU for these babies, I'm hoping there will be an UEFI implementation very similar to XTU, hope Intel won't disappoint. Although, they don't seem very good at it still.
I guess, since support for Win8 was already confirmed, UEFI v2.3.1 is in order, because of Secure Boot, and I believe Intel will go for it.
OK, DX79SI and DX79TO already on Intel's page with BIOS 0200, 0218 and 0248 dated as back as 23.08.2011, why only posted now? Reading the readme file they are all pre-production BIOSes, or UEFI we hope.
The TO has an additional TPM driver, I thought the SI was the most complete board, workstation class. OK, the TO must be business oriented so the TPM module.
Why are they now using Nuvoton chips everywhere? TPM,IR, what next?
Something funny: 2 newer boards came up at Intel based off Z68 chipset: the BC now has 6 BIOS versions, all numbered sequencially from 0020 to 0025. That's a first for Intel, or anyone else I believe. Several XTU optimisations, and the required (?!) MS OEM Activation 3.0 for Win8.
Another thing funny, the ZV doesn't even have a BIOS released.
I believe a tribute to Steve Jobs is in order. Too bad the cancer beat him.
I'm no Apple fanboy, I own nothing made by Apple really. But credit is due to the man who talked everyone into the hype. To me he was in fact a visionary and an important trend setter in the IT world.
Some will say that he was too much of a control freak. I, for one, share his point of view, I liked his ba**s when it was time to cut with the legacy and move forward.
Our PC world keeps living with compatibility in mind and because of it things never really have the chance to evolve. I know how important compatibility is to businesses but still I liked his attitude, future minded.
My respects to him, may he rest in peace now.
Newer Extreme Series boards added to Intel's page. DZ68BC and DZ68ZV. The OG was removed but DX79SI an TO not there yet.
Is it just me or the new Intel page is not that great!
Is something changed?
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Check previously posted image. PCI is still alive!..
petr0id
I'm affraid that was before Intel had issues and I guess only in a new revision later on we'll get the full specs. For now, you'll have do without the Uplink and some SATA ports and SAS.
The processors had issues too.
So long to come up with a "new" extreme/enthusiast platform and guess what?! Intel screwed up again big time.
For me, PCI should have gone already. All 6 series live well without it, 7 series seems to be a step back although PCI is not available in Z77 and Z75 to come with Ivy.
X79 is really not an enthusiast platform anyway, it's a workstation chipset that Intel rebadged to look like a worthy successor to X58, amd failled miserablly at it in my opinion.
I'll skip this one, at least for now.
Intel posted RSTE v3 for X79 series.
X79 was supposed to be the same as Patsburg-D but it seems it will be more like Patsburg-B, at least at first.
Once issues are ironed out I guess it will resume full specs.
Some things might even be enabled in firmware, others I doubt it.
I sincerelly can't understand the lack of USB 3.0, not that I need it now, but if they did implement it already in other chipsets, why not here? And then they stick a Renesas/NEC chip in their mobos, that's great Intel. Not enough they charge you with 70USD for the chipset (a lot more than X58 + ICH10R), when a lot of the logic went into the CPU, and now the extra chip. I guess mobos will go for 300USD, I can see them here going for 350EUR or so. I gave 254EUR here for my DX38BT 4 years ago, I gues I'm an idiot but couldn't find them anywhere at the time.
Intel unified BIOSes of DP67BG and DZ68ZV.
Hiya, Manel! I'm here, lurking all the time around this famous thread 8)
Agreed, Intel's mobos is overpriced for sure. But each time i see an a user, who's carrying some :banana::banana::banana::banana:y cheap mobo, i think: it is cool that i have BoneTrail.
It is still working, even after i was drunked and broke some microchip with a screwdriver when placing the thermal paste under the NB. It still works...
I tried to install IRSTE 3.0 with no luck. Same with new inf installer - there is no updates for our boards any more 8(
Latest LAN drivers works fine meanwhile.
Maybe lack of USB 3.0 is a step to Thunderbolt? I doesn't think that i'll go with x79 too. Possibly, x58 will be a good replacement. Got to think.
About PCI, i think the time is not yet come. Is PCI is most ancient interface in PC now? I have PCI sound card (many users still have PCI cards because of their professional needs) and i does not feel myself ready to make music on embedded codecs nor to buy new PCIE card yet.
So, i'll stay with DX38BT for that year at least. And we'll bump up this thread few more times again.
Cheers!
petr0id, good to see someone else from the old days still here!
This thread came a long way now, 108 pages.
Don't take my comments about Intel the wrong way, I would say I'm a Intel fanboy for sure, although not the kind that sees or has tolerance for nothing else.
I really like Intel's products, that's for sure.
Extreme boards are great, although when it comes to tweaking Intel still has a lot to learn, even after hiring BIOS gurus and top gamers fr development.
Still, the design is top notch (with the exception of the placement of the onboard connectors too far left that gave me trouble with my 900 case which has short cables for the fraont panel), plain and simple.
However, they're starting to look like those Taiwanese mobo makers when they use skulls and all.
Still the best for me though. Overpriced yes, but I didn't look back. It was love at first sight with the BT.
You shouldn't be doing stuff like that when you're drunk man! :-)
Too bad driver updates are no more for us, haven't installed LAN v16.5, have to lateron.
I don't think USB 3.0 and TB are mutualy exclusive, I guess Intel had some issue maybe another hi-speed controller inside te PCH was not viable at this time. Still, Z77 and Z75 will have it next year, all of them are 7 series so specs should be similar. The problem is that here is where the resemblance ends, X79 has nothing to do with 7 series chipsets coming soon for Ivy. Too bad since Ivy lookspretty good right now, better than SB-E. Maybe I'll need no more than Ivy anyway.
Inte had to stick to the enterprise design of Patsburg and that's where they failed, to me at least.
TB willnot be present in either Sileror Thornton, maybe in later revisions of the boards whe all issues ae fixed.
Still X58 is now dying and maybe not the best option. Ivy Bridge wil be here in April next here and I guess will be awesome, faster than X58 for sure. Native USB3.0, SATA 6G, UEFI, the works.
I know PCI is still the interface of choice for audio, but I dropped my Audigy already. Creative drivers suck anyway, onboard is ok for my needs. Anyway, 6 series and 7 series boards have no PCI support anymore, only through a PCIe to PCI bridge chip. At first, X79 was not to support PCI anymore, but due t the enterprise nature of it I guess they had to enable it.
For me legacy should be dead already, is what makes us still have 20 year old stuff in our PCs today, and hinders progress. Look at BIOS!! Finally t seems to be near death.
My BoneTrail is here for keeps too, at least for the time being.
Keep showing up.
Some news regardingX79, some not so new:
http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...r-than-i7-990x
http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...liquid-cooling
http://www.fudzilla.com/motherboard/...ps-in-november
15% faster is now wow but i's good. Let's not forget that 990X is the last of it's series and 3960X is the first, more to come for sure.
As far as I know, liquid cooling is an option, not supplied with the proc. Bad move.
73USD for one chip? I knew it was like 70USD but this is too much X58 was a 2 part chipset and costs 20% less. And not that X79 is all that feature rich, the best is inside the proc now. Bad, bad move Intel!! I guess we need to wait till November to check the final specs after all, here it's claimd to have the uplink after all, SAS and all SATA ports.
November 14th, S-E launch date.
http://www.techpowerup.com/153379/Sa...f-The-Box.html
X79 boards starting to how.
Long time, just lurking, PCI has to stay awhile for on board peripherals. TB and USB 3.0 are different animals. USB 3.0 is a specific peripheral bus. Think of TB as a motherboard slot extension on a cable.
djs, long time no see!
Onboard peripherals are no longer PCI, but PCIe, most of them at least. Any onboard controller, recent at least, will interface with PCIe bus. PCI does not have the bandwidth for newer devices, be it GbLAN controllers (Intel uses it's own path, but Realtek and others sit on PCIe bus), as well as USB 3.0 and SATA controllers are now all PCIe. Sometimes, for cost cut or unavailable lanes, you see (haven't seen recently) some extra controllers like LAN or SATA hanging from the PCI bus, but that's stupid since they'll be starving. Even audio controllers (onboard, like XFi) are no more PCI - not the onboard codecs that have their own link, that were the last to change.
There are however external controller cards on PCI, but even those are going into oblivion now, for the same reasons.
Intel removed PCI in their 6 series chipsets, only to use a PCI-PCIe bridge, for those still on legacy.
For me the perfect board has no PCI, stopped using it for a while, I don't want to get stuck to the past.
Regarding TB yes, it's a different beast alright. Still, Intel sees it as an alternative, although they're supposed to be for different purposes. TB has several protocol agnostic PCIe lanes and DP in a single cable, power supply and all. Looks good on paper, probably it will have it's use in the future, as expansion as oyu say. Speeds will grow soon, without changing interface but going optical, which was the first design goal anyway, but problems came up meanwhile.
Busy times ahead, with new stuff coming up till April: SB-E, Kepler, Northern Islands, Ivy Bridge...
It's used for devices inside the I/O hub so it costs little to bring it out.
Are you sure the internal path is PCI? Don't be mad at me but I very much doubt that. Most of the logic is now inside the proc but still the peripheral controllers inside the PCH should have a lower level interconnect. Usually, there is a PCI controller inside the silicon die, along with the rest. What I believe Intel did as of 6 series was remove those transistors, for a leaner PCH, silicon real estate is precious.
Won't argue though.
The 4th production BIOS for Siler and Thornton is out, 0269.
Yes. For Example
DMI-to-PCI Bridge (D30:F0)
The DMI-to-PCI bridge resides in PCI Device 30, Function 0 on bus #0. This portion of
the PCH implements the buffering and control logic between PCI and Direct Media
Interface (DMI). The arbitration for the PCI bus is handled by this PCI device. The PCI
decoder in this device must decode the ranges for the DMI. All register contents are
lost when core well power is removed.
DMI is the chip-to-chip connection between the Processor and PCH. This high-speed
interface integrates advanced priority-based servicing allowing for concurrent traffic
and true isochronous transfer capabilities. Base functionality is completely software
transparent permitting current and legacy software to operate normally. New for PCH
the DMI interface operates at 5.0 GT/s.
To provide for true isochronous transfers and configurable Quality of Service (QoS)
transactions, the PCH supports two virtual channels on DMI — VC0 and VC1. These two
channels provide a fixed arbitration scheme where VC1 is always the highest priority.
VC0 is the default conduit of traffic for DMI and is always enabled. VC1 must be
specifically enabled and configured at both ends of the DMI link (that is, the PCH and
processor).
Configuration registers for DMI, virtual channel support, and DMI active state power
management (ASPM) are in the RCRB space in the Chipset Config Registers
(Chapter 10.1).
DMI is also capable of operating in the AC terminated mode for servers. A hardware
strap is used to configure DMI in AC terminated mode, see Section 2.26 for details.
5.1.1 PCI Bus Interface
The PCH PCI interface supports PCI Local Bus Specification, Revision 2.3, at 33 MHz.
The PCH integrates a PCI arbiter that supports up to four external PCI bus masters in
addition to the internal PCH requests.
See Section 5.2 for alternative methods for supporting PCI devices.
I guess that's a quote from an Intel document.
Still, it does not specifically state that PCI is the internal link. Not that I doubt you, but that could be referring to the PCI controller on the PCH having an internal connection to the DMI bus to the proc, which is only natural. Or maybe not. For which PCH is this info?
6 series PCHs have no internal PCI controller, most boards use a PCIe-PCI bridge to provide an expansion slot.
Sometimes PCI is used to refer to PCIe as well.
On another note, prices of X79 boards (ASRock) begin to surface, from €180 upto €270.
Ivy Bridge is in massive production, ready by year end. So that Intel can claim readiness this year. But you will only be able to actually buy it by March/April next year.
EVGA and MSI show off their X79 boards as well.
Just look at EVGA SR3 (Super Record 3), dual socket 2011, Patsburg-T? SB-EP Xeon only I guess, SB-E i7 shouldn't be 2P capable.
The real question which I still have not found any definitive answers for is will the X79 support PCI-E 3.0 with IvyBridge-E CPU's are used? Or will we need a new revision e.g. X79-E?
John