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AKHandyman: Intel has recently stated that TJMax for your QX9770 is 85C but I'm not yet convinced about that. Testing at low MHz and low core voltage might be able to prove whether 85C is realistic or not. If your CPU is reporting core temperatures that seem too good to be true then let me know so we can run some tests on it.
Yep, plan to keep it for awhile. Maybe take a look at i7 next summer (or maybe not)Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
The addition of the Sensor Test (and accuracy) really sets RT far apart from the rest. Thanks for sticking with this :)
I am beginning to wonder ... after I loaded up the program, and ran the first test, the core temps were reporting ~10C LOWER! That though was just the difference from v2.6 to the current version 2.84 ... tell me what I have to do for these tests you'd like for me to run ...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
AKHandyman: Between version 2.6 and 2.84, TJMax has gone from 95C to 85C for your processor so your core temperatures will be reported 10C less with the new version.
The first test you need to do is the new CPU Cool Down Test. At your normal MHz and core voltage, click on Sensor Test and then when that screen pops up click on Start and go get a coffee. The test will take about 10 minutes. There is an information window just above the Start button which will hopefully tell you what to do at each step if you're not sure.
This test uses Prime95 so if you don't have that installed on your computer then start by clicking on the Download Prime 95 button.
Make sure there isn't anything significant running in the background while this test is running. Give Vista a chance to settle down before starting this test.
When the test is done, post a screen shot or e-mail me a copy of your results. If you hold down ALT+PRINT SCREEN on your keyboard it will put a copy of the results into your Clipboard. Open up Paint or IrfanView and Paste and Save your results.
Send it to Real_Temp@yahoo.ca or head to www.imageshack.us and upload it there and then paste a link to it on XS so I can have a look.
Once we find out how good your sensors are then the next step is to run your computer at Ultra Idle. You can either go into the bios and manually set your core voltage to approximately 1.10 volts, and use default MHz (333MHz X 6.0) or you can simply enable C1E and SpeedStep in the bios. If your FSB is at the default speed of 333 MHz and your core voltage is set to AUTO, C1E should automatically drop your multiplier to 6.0 and should also drop your core voltage as well. Run CPU-Z to confirm your results at idle.
The goal is to get your CPU as cool as possible so your reported temperatures are as low as possible. No need to open your window for some fresh Alaska air; at least not yet. :)
It's a good idea to open your computer case though so there is no hot air being trapped. At idle, your reported core temperature should be about 8C or 9C above your room temperature depending on what type of cooling you're using. If this is off by 10C or 15C then either a sensor(s) is stuck or the Intel recommended TJMax you're using isn't correct. It's usually pretty obvious when something isn't quite right. I'm looking forward to your results. Let me know if there is anything you're not sure of.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9...sorsmk1.th.jpg
this is my E8600 what about my sensors? are good or not? thx
KURTZ: Your results are not typical at all. Your sensors are not showing any signs of sticking which is good. The weird part is that in almost every case, the data from the sensors gets closer together as you get closer to TJMax. Your sensors are reporting the opposite and moving farther away from each other. I'm not too sure why.
What type of cooling are you using and how did you install it? As soon as you put a load to your CPU, core 1 starts running a little hotter. Nothing too major but it might have something to do with how you installed your heatsink or the paste or maybe your IHS or heatsink isn't quite square. A perfectionist like myself might pull the heatsink to have a look but if your computer is running great then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
thx Uncle for the reply ;)
this is my system right now, i'm waiting some waterblocks so next week i put all my hw under the water ...
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2...e002hu6.th.jpg
i'm under the intel's stock fan, and i put a little bit of Zalman STG-1 paste ... i do this test only cause i'm so curious ... :p
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http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5499/test284xi2.jpg
these are my friend's sensors ... he's under the water ... what do you think about?
Is it possible that you were a little cheap with the paste since you knew it was going to be coming apart next week? :)
It will be interesting to run the same test when you have a water block installed and see if anything changes. I've seen a lot of screen shots and yours just looked a little unusual.
Your friend has core0 sticking at 65 away from TJMax and core1 might be stuck as well at 66 from TJMax. The test is very conclusive for core0 but not conclusive for core1. You would need to test again with colder water to try to force the CPU to a cooler temperature and see if core1 can reach more than 66 away from TJMax. You could also redo the test with less MHz and core voltage when trying to get some lower CPU temperatures. Less core voltage is the most important one.
Dear Uncle :D you're definitely right! however next week i'll return here so we can compare these tests ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
If RealTemp can be used to catch people not using their fair share of paste then this new sensor test feature will get two of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by KURTZ
:up::up: :rofl:
I look forward to your tests next week.
The first thing I noticed is that you have to delete the configuration file when changing to a Core i7. I believe that I read that somewhere but I learned the hard way before I got Real Temp running.
I believe that I have a problem. I like to set Real Temp up as shown below. I don't want any temperature readings in the Taskbar, just in the Real Temp application. I'm wondering if the taskbar readings are from the Hyper-Threads. The next time I shutdown I'll disable HT and see what happens. I like to use Real Temp as shown in the second image.
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I ran a Sensor Test using default BIOS options. The one thing that I noticed is my CPU Multiplier was all over the place during this test. I don't know what this says about my 920. The ambient temperature was about 26 degrees C.
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Finally, to prove that there's a 21 multiplier using the P6T and a 920 here's what I started with before the Sensor Test.
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Update:
You won't believe what I found was the problem. Well, maybe you would! When I went to shutdown I found that I had two instances of Real Temp that I couldn't get rid of. I had to kill them and when I did I got this.
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I believe these were the two times I started Real Temp with old configuration files. Anyway that problem is fixed!
msgclb: RealTemp 2.84 is definitely not working properly with Core i7. Now that I have access to the Intel Core i7 documentation, I'm making progress. The fix is almost done and should be ready for testing before I go to bed tonight.
Read my update in the above post!Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
Version 2.84 has a big bug and is only reading the first two cores of i7 CPUs. No wonder they track each other so well!
That fix along with a few others is on the way. VID for Core i7 is also a work in progress.
I decided to convert RealTemp to UNICODE today to try and get rid of the funny degree symbol that gets displayed for users in Asia, etc. That alone has turned into a project and a half that I probably should have saved for another day. A fresh beta is getting near.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
This is the first version that might work properly with Core i7. I made a few hundred changes and I likely screwed something up so let me know if you see anything more bizarre than usual.
Converting to UNICODE after the fact is a pain in the butt. RealTemp used to have some funny looking Chinese characters displayed instead of ºC on the main page in some countries. If I've finally fixed that then give me a thumbs up because it took a huge amount of time today.
msgclb: You've been promoted to head Core i7 tester. The VID for Core i7 is still a work in progress. Show me a Core i7 screen shot of the Settings window with Min and Max VID in there. Your core temps probably won't look nearly as consistent with this version. :(
You've turned my quad into a dual!:D
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I guess that means I'm half way there.
At least it still knows you've got a Core i7 920. :D
Here's a separate testing program that should show the temps of all your cores.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/.../i7_Tester.zip
You could also head to EBay with the world's lowest VID Core i7 CPU.
There will definitely be an updated version of RealTemp available later today.
Is this what you were hoping for?
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Update:
The screenshot of 2.85 with 2 cores was taken with HT disabled. I just made some BIOS changes and also enabled HT. Look at what happened to Real Temp.
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I'll leave up to you to interpret these results.
msgclb: That explains everything! If CPU-Z is correct ( Cores 4 - Threads 4 ) then I'll have to assume that you have hyper threading turned off.
When it is turned on, that testing program will probably look more like this:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6...ei7apicjg3.png
I assumed all Core i7 CPUs would look like that but obviously I didn't consider what happens when hyper threading is turned off.
Thanks for your help. Now I have to go make an adjustment or two or three or ........
Anyone that wants to someday have RealTemp recognize all 8 of their cores on a SkullTrail system should run the Core i7 Tester program and show me a screen shot.
wow thanks for the new version :)
keep up the good work uncle!
someday you will be rewarded :D :up:
This is what I got with HT enabled. I wish you luck!
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With hyperthreading turned on, RealTemp 2.85 should be reporting your core temperatures correctly.
Do you know if hyperthreading can only be turned on or off in the bios or is there a windows based program that can access hyperthreading. As far as I know, I think you can only adjust it in the bios.
Now that I understand what's going on, I should be able to come up with a fix. I have another feature I'd like to add at the same time that might allow the SkullTrail guys to access the temperatures of their other 4 cores.
When hyperthreading is enabled, the Core i7 Tester program shows the temperatures from all 8 threads. There are only 4 cores so threads 0/1 share the same temp data for core 0, threads 2/3 for core 1, threads 4/5 for core 2 and threads 6/7 for core 3. That should line up with what RealTemp 2.85 shows.
RealTemp 2.84 was only showing the data from threads 0/1/2/3.
I think is kinda useless. Virtual cores with virtual temperatures? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
Those virtual cores should have another measurement unit: virtual °C or °Cv. http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/683...adteethrb9.gif
Quick question:
I just checked Intel's web site (proc spec finder), and the thermal spec field is blank.
What's the thermal spec or temp limit for i7??