DFI SLI DR Expert CPU Death Fix

Yea so I am new here, but not to computers....

I just bought an Expert board before hearing about this issue with it killing cpu's, so I want to know what to do.

I won't be able to complete my build anyways until Christmas day, or the day after anyways, but what should I do: A). Use the board and not overclock until problem is solved, or B). RMA the board and get the Regular Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR mobo?

Is the problem coming when people try to overclock their boards? Or does it just happen the first time you start your PC? I read the thread but people had different statements about that.

Also, is the new "Official Bios" out yet, and will that even fix the problem?

Thanks,

-Mitchell

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Originally Posted by TheMeatFrog

There already is one... :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=82319

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Well I guess that's what happens when your not paying attention.....:)

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Originally Posted by xgman

I wonder if DFI engineers have been able to reproduce this issue yet on the Expert? At this point I guess we aren't really sure what excatly the issue even is. Can anyone at X possibly get some sort of interim statement from Oscar Wu? Even a "don't do this" or "set this to xxx" while they are investigating would go a long way to help.

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I agree!! We need some feedback!! (Luckily I am not holding my breath or I'd have expired a long time ago :( )

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Originally Posted by lazerman

Also, is the new "Official Bios" out yet, and will that even fix the problem?

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Not yet. We've heard one is coming but have not seen it yet.

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Originally Posted by lazerman

Yea so I am new here, but not to computers....

I just bought an Expert board before hearing about this issue with it killing cpu's, so I want to know what to do.

I won't be able to complete my build anyways until Christmas day, or the day after anyways, but what should I do: A). Use the board and not overclock until problem is solved, or B). RMA the board and get the Regular Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR mobo?

Is the problem coming when people try to overclock their boards? Or does it just happen the first time you start your PC? I read the thread but people had different statements about that.

Also, is the new "Official Bios" out yet, and will that even fix the problem?

Thanks,

-Mitchell

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welcome to XtremeSystems :toast:
it doesnt happen the first time you power up your board afaik, it just happens one day or it doesnt... hard to say what exactly triggers the issue and kills the cpus or boards...

whether you want to take the risk or buy a new board thats up to you.
the chance that this happens to you as well is not that high, but its there...

Thanks for the bios file pcdoc1. I flashed my mobo with it and my rig would not boot. Heh! I was pi$$$ed! I pushed the power button & reset unplugged the PSU, cleared the CMOS and repeat about 4 times still nothing...I the removed the CMOS battery and re-installed it and tried again and BLAmmmoo! It booted...wheeew!:eek:

I still can't get much of an OC I have yet to get my Corsair 2gig to its rated 250fsb. I had some sucsess by lowering the LTD to 4x & setting the fsb to 240 but the mem bandwidth suked.

I guess we are just gonna have to wait it out. i do remeber the SLI-DR having teething problems for the first month. All that was solved when Oskar released a bios for it. I guess its the same situation here.

Patience for an OC'er is rare....heh!

so a cmos reset didnt help but taking out the cmos batter did?
lol... but you arent supposed to take out the cmos battery anymore because it might kill the board and cpu... weird...
how come a normal cmos reset didnt help but removing the cmos battery does?

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Originally Posted by alpha0ne

If its going to fry running @ default wont save you :nono:

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Well i have raised vcore a bit, just in case, but am worried about how high i can go, so i won't be doing much overclocking right now.

@saaya, thx for the pointer

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Originally Posted by saaya

so a cmos reset didnt help but taking out the cmos batter did?
lol... but you arent supposed to take out the cmos battery anymore because it might kill the board and cpu... weird...
how come a normal cmos reset didnt help but removing the cmos battery does?

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I have no idea bro. I don't even know why the bios flash was so difficult for the board. Its definately a wiggy board. Comon Oskar Wu! We needs the miralce bios!:banana:

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Originally Posted by saaya

so a cmos reset didnt help but taking out the cmos batter did?
lol... but you arent supposed to take out the cmos battery anymore because it might kill the board and cpu... weird...
how come a normal cmos reset didnt help but removing the cmos battery does?

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i had to do so, and nothing happened to me..

why is it necessary to remove the battery in the first place?
and if it is necessary then how can we not remove the bios battery because it might kill the board?
then dfi will have tons of boards rmaed to them because the bios was updated or some setting changed and the system crashed and wont boot again.
but the bios couldnt be resetted because its too danerous to remove the bios battery :D

and what will dfi do with those boards?
remove the battery to reset cmos i guess :D

this is all very confusing :D

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Originally Posted by Super Nade

Oh man...ckts = circuits :slapass: :D

Well, that is what I meant. My point was, VCore is not applied untill something is read off the CPU. So in essence, the data comes from the CPU if AUTO settings are used. I'm not sure if the CPU ROM is being accessed or if this information is electrically hardwired onto the CPU.

You are right about crappy QC one is begining to see. However, I read on EDN (Electronics magazine) that this happens because lengthy QC is more expensive than pushing through something and replacing it later.
I was looking at Pedro's thread and boy that's quite worrying.

One must concede that with all the gymnastics with dry-ice and extreme OC'ing, something is bound to die. However, there were a few deaths with normal air cooling. Now, that is shocking!

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That is dead on SNade. It is alot cheaper to throw a design together and get it out there knowing that the previous board was a big seller/hit....therefore the board will sell tons based on its "little brother's" success. They dont have to replace anything that their faulty design kills in the process, which means they make money hand over fist. They basically use the community as the testing ground.

I would love to buy an Expert, or better put ask for it for Christmas, but hate to risk my cpu and ram. Being in college doesnt leave room for the hardware to take all my stuff in one big boooom.

Its one thing if I kill it myself while overclocking, its anything for it to send up enough smoke to signal the Cherokee Reservation down the road. Obviously the board isnt smoking literally....just a funny pun for a not so funny situation.

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

anyways... to anyone that actually reads my posts.

sorry if I sound like an ass.
I just think alot people are way over reacting here, and some people seem to only be making things way worse then they really are, by adding fuel to the fire...

if I made anyone mad, sorry, but I said what I wanted to say... if you and I disagree, then we just have to agree to disagree :)

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Who says they were overclocking there cpu..most who buy this board do...but the DFI NF4 mobos are very stable at stock speeds as good as Asus and Abit etc

the issue is overvolting from the mobo..does this only occur if your o/cing.....???

Might be that this only happens when changing BIOS settings. If you run at stock your prolly alright, but who's gonna do that on an Expert ;)

@Saaya, I agree. If you need to remove the battery and thats what DFI is claiming is the source of problem its a little scary.

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Originally Posted by saaya

why is it necessary to remove the battery in the first place?
and if it is necessary then how can we not remove the bios battery because it might kill the board?
then dfi will have tons of boards rmaed to them because the bios was updated or some setting changed and the system crashed and wont boot again.
but the bios couldnt be resetted because its too danerous to remove the bios battery :D

and what will dfi do with those boards?
remove the battery to reset cmos i guess :D

this is all very confusing :D

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Very confusing indeed! DFI will NOT honor any warranty if you replace battery - funny thing is that the boards I received from RMA DFI must have had the battery replaced - cause I had the voltage problem with those boards - rofl. Bunch of dodos

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Originally Posted by G H Z

If you need to remove the battery and thats what DFI is claiming is the source of problem its a little scary.

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where do they say this

also i've removed my cmos battery on numberous occasions...........that's what DFI street people would shout every time you run into a problem anyways...........i've had quick battery removals and long ones on the Expert and the bloody thing is fine............so that alone is not the problem.......

bulldog what progress if any are you people making in regards to this issue........

Also is AMD going to approve warranty of a fried chip caused by this faulty motherboard?

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Originally Posted by dinos22

....Also is AMD going to approve warranty of a fried chip caused by this faulty motherboard?

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I'll know in a week, got they rma# today...... Frankly I'm just as concern 'bout DFI replacing the board......

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Originally Posted by dinos22

where do they say this

also i've removed my cmos battery on numberous occasions...........that's what DFI street people would shout every time you run into a problem anyways...........i've had quick battery removals and long ones on the Expert and the bloody thing is fine............so that alone is not the problem.......

bulldog what progress if any are you people making in regards to this issue........

Also is AMD going to approve warranty of a fried chip caused by this faulty motherboard?

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'This was an RDX issue - after going thru a " my CPUs were physically damaged and contaminated ordeal" I took matters in my own hand and found the bug myeslf that killed the CPUs.

Once I pinpointed DFI in the precise direction - after I sent them a Video on how I can kill CPUs at ill will - within a few hours they put up a post on how to PROPERLY clear CMOS sticky on DFI street - and got back to me saying that removing batteries wasn't approriated by DFI...

On the other hand DFI is a sponsor here - and we should all be thankful for that! Thanks DFI!

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Originally Posted by mikeguava

Once I pinpointed DFI in the precise direction - after I sent them a Video on how I can kill CPUs at ill will - within a few hours they put up a post on how to PROPERLY clear CMOS sticky on DFI street - and got back to me saying that removing batteries wasn't approriated by DFI...

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video linky pls heheh

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Originally Posted by nealh

Who says they were overclocking there cpu..most who buy this board do...but the DFI NF4 mobos are very stable at stock speeds as good as Asus and Abit etc

the issue is overvolting from the mobo..does this only occur if your o/cing.....???

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nope, also happens at stock it seems :(

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Originally Posted by dinos22

where do they say this

also i've removed my cmos battery on numberous occasions...........that's what DFI street people would shout every time you run into a problem anyways...........i've had quick battery removals and long ones on the Expert and the bloody thing is fine............so that alone is not the problem.......

bulldog what progress if any are you people making in regards to this issue........

Also is AMD going to approve warranty of a fried chip caused by this faulty motherboard?

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they said this on dfi street recently.
they said they believe this is what kills the boards/cpus...

and about the rma... actually amd should have to.
afaik each part inside a pc is supposed to be able to survive an overvoltage and just shut down if it happens. but im not sure...
if you tell amd the board most likely was faulty and killed the cpu they might point you to dfi...

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Originally Posted by mikeguava

'This was an RDX issue - after going thru a " my CPUs were physically damaged and contaminated ordeal" I took matters in my own hand and found the bug myeslf that killed the CPUs.

Once I pinpointed DFI in the precise direction - after I sent them a Video on how I can kill CPUs at ill will - within a few hours they put up a post on how to PROPERLY clear CMOS sticky on DFI street - and got back to me saying that removing batteries wasn't approriated by DFI...

On the other hand DFI is a sponsor here - and we should all be thankful for that! Thanks DFI!

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its weird to hear you found out easily after a few days and they hadnt found out after weeks, and they build and design the boards... :/
still no statement from dfi :(

While waiting for the rma's from amd and monarch (mobo), I purchased another expert.... Of course like a dope I put another 170 in it (previously "voltage slapped" and somewhat worthless). It's been up 'bout 10 hours (10X265 @ 1.35) and just like the first one, it's fast, stable, great temps, solid voltage regulation, and feels like a rock. I sure would sleep better though if DFI would do something to put this issue to rest..... I would think they'd be somewhat in a hurry to get this behind them as I saw a post in AT's forum tonight pointing to this thread... Not exactly good press! :cool:

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Originally Posted by saaya

its weird to hear you found out easily after a few days and they hadnt found out after weeks, and they build and design the boards... :/
still no statement from dfi :(

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Well I thought it was switching cpus - but it turned out that me taking out the cmos battery and clearing cmos when switching cpus was the culprit.

When I saw the DFI-Street post it be became crystal clear to me that this was related to me...lol.

Funny thing - considering that taking out cmos battery is IMPOV the industry standard of clearing cmos - (and required for previous NF4 boards...), now it's a nono - guess soon we'll see a new offical bios that will take care of that, yet the DFI p[eep who sent me 2 tested RMA boads - also removed the batteries - cause I had the bug from the first time I booted the boards- so it only took me 5 mins to find the bug - not days...

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

I saw a post in AT's forum tonight pointing to this thread... Not exactly good press! :cool:

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IM ON TV OMG OMG IM ON TV WHOOHOOOO HI MOM! HI DAD! HI GRANMA
:shock: :banana: :nuts: :cheer2: :eleph: :peace: :woot:

yeah, hope all this is poking dfi enough to finall do something about it :/

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Originally Posted by saaya

IM ON TV OMG OMG IM ON TV WHOOHOOOO HI MOM! HI GRANMA
:shock: :banana: :woot: :cheer2: :eleph: :peace: :nuts:

yeah, hope all this is poking dfi enough to finall do something about it :/

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On TV where................

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

On TV where................

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was referring to this :D

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

I saw a post in AT's forum tonight pointing to this thread... Not exactly good press! :cool:

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