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09-15-2009, 10:59 AM
gallag

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Originally Posted by gosh

Same difference with 955 vs 965 and you get 2 x PCIe x16 with phenom, cheaper motherboards even if the price has gone down with i5

So there is only 1% between the ph2 965 and the ph2 955? And why start twittering on about pcie and mobo prices? Its like you are selling ph2 or something?
09-15-2009, 02:22 PM
Clairvoyant129

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Originally Posted by gallag

So there is only 1% between the ph2 965 and the ph2 955? And why start twittering on about pcie and mobo prices? Its like you are selling ph2 or something?

Don't take what gosh says seriously. :rolleyes:
09-15-2009, 10:25 PM
kl0012

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Originally Posted by gosh

Read #212

Ah that review again... While the final graph does not say to much it is clear that i5-750 is better then Pii-965 for home use.;)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1202/ixbtreview.jpg
09-15-2009, 10:45 PM
gosh

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Originally Posted by kl0012

Ah that review again... While the final graph don't say to much it is clear tha i5-750 is better then Pii-965 for home use.;)

No! you picked graphs where i5-750 won. There are other graphs...
Also even if the test is much better compared to other tests it doesn't test multitasking or low fps in gaming. Both strong areas for phenom
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/in...7-lga1156.html
09-15-2009, 10:53 PM
kl0012

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Originally Posted by gosh

No! you picked graphs where i5-750 won. There are other graphs...
Also even if the test is much better compared to other tests it doesn't test multitasking or low fps in gaming. Both strong areas for phenom
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/in...7-lga1156.html

I tought I've made it clear - home use!
Not much people will use Maya, Lightwave or SpecJVM at home :shrug: And those who will probably will go with i7.
09-15-2009, 11:12 PM
gosh

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Originally Posted by kl0012

I tought I've made it clear - home use!
Not much people will use Maya, Lightwave or SpecJVM at home :shrug: And those who will probably will go with i7.

well, check this page: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=3
09-15-2009, 11:57 PM
kl0012

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Originally Posted by gosh

well, check this page: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=3

What should I check? I dont use Lightwave at home (especially with Cinema 4D, Photoshop and Word/Exel running at background).
There are more realistic multitasking scenarios:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...d-cpu-review/6
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=19979&page=10
And about the games - I have no idea why they have a problem with GTX275.
09-16-2009, 01:51 AM
Hornet331

Don't let yourself sucked into a circle of pointless argumentation with gosh, he never acknowledges anything.
He does that every time, and when it look like that he gets "pawned" he either is switching subject or plays dumb.
09-16-2009, 02:01 AM
gosh

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Don't let yourself sucked into a circle of pointless argumentation with gosh, he never acknowledges anything.
He does that every time, and when it look like that he gets "pawned" he either is switching subject or plays dumb.

If you don't want to know how the hardware works then you shouldn't read my posts
09-16-2009, 08:46 AM
Clairvoyant129

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Originally Posted by gosh

If you don't want to know how the hardware works then you shouldn't read my posts

Gosh, most, if not everyone here knows how the hardware works (although there are differences in the technical level of understanding). What you fail to acknowledge is the truth because of your obvious bias.

Since you love quoting Anand...

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Final Words

I'll start this conclusion with what AMD must do in response to Lynnfield. The Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE, despite the AMD processor costing almost another $50.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3634

Here is another example,

Benchmarks:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20002.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20003.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20004.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20007.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20008.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20009.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20010.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20011.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20012.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20013.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20014.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20015.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20017.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20018.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20019.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20020.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20016.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20021.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20023.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20024.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20025.png

Power Consumption:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20026.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20027.png

No bias here, I chose every result from Anand's Athlon II X4 review. You keep implying that i5 750 = PII 955 BE when that is CLEARLY not the case.
May I remind you again,

Quote:

Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE

Not to mention, both the PII and i7s have similar overclocks on conventional cooling, with the slight advantage to i7 based on average overclocks seen on reviews and here on Xtremesystems. Most enthusiasts will overclock their system, which will further widen the gap between i7/i5 and PII.

But of course, you will ignore what I just posted, which is fine really since I don't care but I refuse to let your bias misinform people.
09-16-2009, 09:23 AM
gallag

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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129

Don't take what gosh says seriously. :rolleyes:

I now see what you mean, Does he even take himself seriously lol.
09-16-2009, 09:59 AM
gosh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129

But of course, you will ignore what I just posted, which is fine really since I don't care but I refuse to let your bias misinform people.

I will ignore your post if you don't know how to explain the results in graphs. That is the hard part

Or to make it easier. Explain the difference here:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=2
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/p...3214/19976.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20013.png
09-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Clairvoyant129

Quote:

Originally Posted by gosh

I will ignore your post if you don't know how to explain the results in graphs. That is the hard part

Or to make it easier. Explain the difference here:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=2
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/p...3214/19976.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5733/20013.png

Um what difference?
09-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Hornet331

What is there to epxlain?

Cinebench just favours Ci7 more then cinema 4D, tought as you might noticed C4D gains quite a bit form HT, thats why simmilar clocke 920 wins against 750...

Again, you try to generate an issue where no issue is....
09-18-2009, 03:43 AM
Clunk

Just started a living review of the Gigabyte P55-UD6 here :)

http://www.images.clunk.org.uk/revie...MG_9104-sm.jpg
09-19-2009, 02:42 AM
onethreehill

The Intel Core i7 860 Review
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3641
09-19-2009, 05:33 AM
dblairw

Thanks for link to i7-860 review!

Onethreehill - Thanks for the link to the Anandtech review of the i7-860 Lynnfield!

It's well done with numerous tests, clearly understandable results and bang-on conclusions.

I'll be starting my own build with an i7-860 from MicroCenter at the introductory bargain price as soon as my preferred Mushkin DRAM becomes available. :up:
09-19-2009, 06:19 AM
ubuntu83

Here's a test done by tomshardware to judge Lynnfield's onoard PCI-E performance ------> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ield,2379.html

IMO the test is awful and they used a 790GX when there is a 790FX with two 16x slots and why not OC the processors?. @2.8Ghz the processors are certainly the bottleneck.
09-19-2009, 06:48 AM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by gosh

If you don't want to know how the hardware works then you shouldn't read my posts

it sounds like you are denying how hardware works more than anything else and your excuse is that you know something about the architecture. well maybe you might want to read up on AMD's less than stellar branch prediction and floating point/SIMD performance with mixed latencies before you post.
09-19-2009, 07:00 AM
gosh

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

it sounds like you are denying how hardware works more than anything else and your excuse is that you know something about the architecture.

"sounds" ?

Try using core 2 and making small test applications where you time it. you will get VERY good results, better than a fast i7 in most small tests. Then test a more realistic scenario which is very hard to do just writing a small testapp. The result will be completely diffrent.
This isn't as easy as just seeing some graphs where the review may have selected tests to get desired results.
09-19-2009, 08:54 AM
Clairvoyant129

Quote:

Originally Posted by gosh

"sounds" ?

Try using core 2 and making small test applications where you time it. you will get VERY good results, better than a fast i7 in most small tests. Then test a more realistic scenario which is very hard to do just writing a small testapp. The result will be completely diffrent.
This isn't as easy as just seeing some graphs where the review may have selected tests to get desired results.

What? How did you come up with that conclusion? Do you have any tests to back up your conclusion? Sources? Oh and AMDZone.com doesn't count.

Anyway, in the end we can conclude that PII needs at least 800MHz-1GHz advantage in clock speed to keep up with Core i5/Core i7.
09-19-2009, 09:21 AM
informal

Make that 2Ghz :rolleyes:

Back in reality,on average the Bloomfield is some 20-25% faster per clock than Deneb. You can make the Mhz numbers for "needed" Deneb from Bloomfied's clocks. The thing is that Bloomfield has a higher than that (average) lead in some workloads while in other it's not so much faster or is equal or even slower in few. So what you get in the end is about 20-25%,which is a healthy lead,a similar lead over Penryn which is some 5% faster than Deneb,which in turn coincides with a rough 20% lead every new intel design brought over previous one since P4 was sent to retirement(P4 not counted as "previous").
09-19-2009, 09:49 AM
gosh

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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129

What? How did you come up with that conclusion? Do you have any tests to back up your conclusion? Sources? Oh and AMDZone.com doesn't count.

I have runed many tests myself and you can ask any developer to try. Or why not study some programming and do it your self
09-19-2009, 10:20 AM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by gosh

If you don't want to know how the hardware works then you shouldn't read my posts

OMG ^^... :rofl:

Is this guy serious?
09-19-2009, 10:25 AM
Xoulz

Quote:

Originally Posted by gosh

"sounds" ?

Try using core 2 and making small test applications where you time it. you will get VERY good results, better than a fast i7 in most small tests. Then test a more realistic scenario which is very hard to do just writing a small testapp. The result will be completely diffrent.
This isn't as easy as just seeing some graphs where the review may have selected tests to get desired results.

Thats right, that is why there are over 30 graphs. So you CAN get a firm understanding of each chip's benefits and pitfalls and see whether certain benchmarks favor what you (the end user) is going to be using their system for.

Benchmark apps are for a reason... :up:

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