[Review] PrimoChill Typhoon III

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07-26-2009, 02:49 PM
JOCKTHEGLIDE

OMFG....those are gorgous oh boy I cant wait till I get my T3....OMG :shocked::up:

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

Woot for EvilVision! Thanks for the renders Rocky.

The First image is the brushed black anodized. Second is the polished aluminum. Last is the silver (clear) anodized shown from the back so you can see how the plate fits down into the basins on the T3. No more flat 2D looking face plates, and the frame makes the bottoms of the basins look like windows or sight glass. These will be machined from solid 1/2" thick aluminum.

http://geno.boxgods.com/black_anno.jpg

http://geno.boxgods.com/polished.jpg

http://geno.boxgods.com/silver.jpg

The thickness is about 1/16" and they will mount with acrylic double backed tape around the perimeter.
07-26-2009, 02:50 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

Here is my unboxing video and pictures.

Nice, the band doesn't look too bad on yours. I can't wait till I get mine :D
07-26-2009, 03:19 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

Here is my unboxing video and pictures.

http://i26.tinypic.com/okdcuq.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/30afcy0.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2iub5ds.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2qvxssm.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/4lhnpx.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/5oaxsg.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/okwjuq.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/2hrdh5c.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/kdwvhi.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/24gso3l.jpg

Um, where's the vid?
07-26-2009, 03:20 PM
sinticfury

here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
07-26-2009, 03:33 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

its still uploading xD

BAN!!!
07-26-2009, 03:35 PM
HoosTrax

You know, I actually saw someone posts some action shots, where they had the acrylic backplate mounted to the D5 without taking off the brown paper first :ROTF:. (To be fair, it is stuck on pretty securely and a bit tough to peel off.)
07-26-2009, 03:39 PM
sinticfury

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

BAN!!!

Why ban!!!

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Originally Posted by HoosTrax

You know, I actually saw someone posts some action shots, where they had the acrylic backplate mounted to the D5 without taking off the brown paper first :ROTF:. (To be fair, it is stuck on pretty securely and a bit tough to peel off.)

I cant get the paper off its too hard and I dont want to scratch the acrylic so I am getting a custom one made out of mirror jet black
07-26-2009, 03:43 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

I have argued with physics before. Usually there has been either too much testosterone or alcohol involved... or not enough common sense lol.

There is a version with the DDC. Looks like Primo will be selling it as the "TMR". Will let you know the details when they say it is OK.

I already have a dual DDC version done also. It is kind of cool because it lets the user select between serial or parallel.

My statement is always this.

If you think im wrong, show me with math and physics. If it makes sense, and the numbers adds up, i will gladly appologize and shut up!

:P

I am looking forward to your dual DDC version. ETA on when we might be able to see it?

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

Why ban!!!

I cant get the paper off its too hard and I dont want to scratch the acrylic so I am getting a custom one made out of mirror jet black

:rofl:

do i really need to tell you the reason why after this statement? :rofl:
07-26-2009, 03:48 PM
sinticfury

Yes
07-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinticfury

Why ban!!!

Nah, no ban. . .just 80 lashes :cord:

You promised us a vid, said here's the vid. . .but no vid. Yet ;)
07-26-2009, 03:49 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

I have argued with physics before. Usually there has been either too much testosterone or alcohol involved... or not enough common sense lol.

There is a version with the DDC. Looks like Primo will be selling it as the "TMR". Will let you know the details when they say it is OK.

I already have a dual DDC version done also. It is kind of cool because it lets the user select between serial or parallel.

Seems a nice heads up comparison between that, the T3, and XSPC's version will be in order. It would be nice to see the outcomes. :up:
07-26-2009, 03:49 PM
sinticfury

Its a link I dont know how to do the thing with the box. Its in the first post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw

theres the video 4 times
07-26-2009, 03:50 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Nah, no ban. . .just 80 lashes :cord:

You promised us a vid, said here's the vid. . .but no vid. Yet ;)

+1

I got the popcorn and beer all ready expecting to watch a video. Now the beer is warm and the popcorn is stale and cold. :down: ;)
07-26-2009, 06:32 PM
sinticfury

the video is up why is there only 3 views?
07-26-2009, 06:35 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

the video is up why is there only 3 views?

O, lol didn't see you posted it :p:

edit: still no instructions hey. It doesn't seem like it is too hard to figure out though LOL
07-26-2009, 06:45 PM
sinticfury

just a heads up the o ring goes into the inner circle like second from outer then you place the pump in any way u want.
07-26-2009, 10:25 PM
BoxGods

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Originally Posted by Ketzer7

Awesome, thanks BG!

I hadn't even thought of asking about price until you mentioned it...I was just considering it a necessary upgrade :D

BG, slightly different question. I saw some posts in the other thread that looked like they related to different fittings on the T3. I know by default it ships with the PC acrylic ghost compression fittings.

Is there any danger in using (or need in some circumstances to use) metal fittings on it instead? Wasn't clear about that. What do most use?

Primo sells my Metal Barb design, Metal ghosts, which fits the T3 perfectly, and is all but invisable (thus the ghost name). Metal is fine and as another posted, some may need a slightly fatter O ring. Most users (not all) are sure they will not like the PC Compression fittings that are include, then when they see them tey DO like them. They also come in colors of that's an issue.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

LOL. was going to be me on the price question. I like those alot. When you get some more info, let us know. I am very interested in the black one. As the previous poster said, it will be nice to have it blend in. :up:

Yeah, I totally agree that that is one big chunk of rectangle on the front of your machine. That's why I have campaigned pretty hard to get Primo in gear getting the billet faces out, and why I will likely do a paint tutorial.

I will forever be a modder first lol. Has to LOOK good too.

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

@BG, I hope the "brushing" on the anoded black one is going to be in the same direction as the cases are. Nothing looks more out of place than a brushed aluminum part that doesn't follow the same direction as the case. :yepp:

Yeah, though not ALL cases run the same direction. Plan on it conforming to the look of a Lian-Li as that is the goal for looks and Quality.

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

I cant get the paper off its too hard and I dont want to scratch the acrylic so I am getting a custom one made out of mirror jet black

I LOVE that table. Can you really not peel off the protective coating...I never know when people are kidding lol.

Waiting to finish this post to watch the Vid, but if its half as good as the pictures I am sure I will like it.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

O, lol didn't see you posted it :p:

edit: still no instructions hey. It doesn't seem like it is too hard to figure out though LOL

I know I know. I tell myself every day, "Today I have to get to those instructions" and everyday I don't have the time. SOON!
07-26-2009, 10:45 PM
BoxGods

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

just a heads up the o ring goes into the inner circle like second from outer then you place the pump in any way u want.

Just watched it. Excellent job. I think YOU should do the video instructions as my videos look like crap. Never fails, I turn the camera on and every animal in the house suddenly appears, the phone rings, and somebody knocks on the door.
07-27-2009, 03:05 AM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

I know I know. I tell myself every day, "Today I have to get to those instructions" and everyday I don't have the time. SOON!

Don't worry, If i can't figure it out tomorrow, I will just start spamming your PM box :p: ;)
07-27-2009, 06:05 AM
nypunkgeek

Yeah, I am going to need one of the black faceplates. That thing is just sexy.
07-27-2009, 07:39 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinticfury

Its a link I dont know how to do the thing with the box. Its in the first post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Q86XXVHhw

theres the video 4 times

:clap: :up:

Congrats, your now part of the "hated club" and "they" think you are me. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
07-27-2009, 02:33 PM
sinticfury

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

:clap: :up:

Congrats, your now part of the "hated club" and "they" think you are me. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

What why
07-27-2009, 02:39 PM
hellcamino

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Originally Posted by sinticfury

What why

Because they were dropped as children.
07-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Martinm210

Thanks for the review, great work as always.:up:

Sorry to hear all the grumbles, but I can understand everyone's perspective. This parallel stuff is hard to convey and creates alot of confusion because it's never really been talked about or testing much at all.

We've always talked "Flow Rate" as being one thing. This is true in a series system, where pump flow rate and block flow rate are equal and the same. There was never a need to indicate which one we're talking about.

Parallel systems are different though. In parallel, you have "Pump" flowrate and "Block or individual loop" flow rates. The purple bars represent "Pump" flow rate, it's what the pump produces. What I think some folks want to see is only "block" flow rate. I think they want to see that comparison only, because block flow rate is what translates to some sort of thermal performance gain.

I think they are both important.

Pump flow rate is important to know and understand when considering where the pump is operating. You don't really want a pump operating too far on the right hand side of the curve either. The more pump flow rate the more pump heat dump, the harder the pump works. I don't think we see too many problems in the context of watercooling and these smaller DC pumps, but I wouldn't dismiss it completely. I have had direct experience with this on a commerical pumping system I designed this last winter. Simply put, my pumps where too big for the amount of restriction I had and I learned that bigger is NOT better. In my case, I had two 5hp 2" pumps capable of about 200GPM and a pressure drop of only about 10' at 150GPM or so. This meant the pumps were operating at nearly free flow conditions. The result was that the pumps drew more current than I could legally have my electrician set the circuit breakers at. The pumps were operating too far on the right hand side of the curve, drawing too much current, overheating and eventually drawing more than 140% of the electrical pump motor rating (which is the limit we can set the breaker). My solution: add valves at the pump outlet to artificially introduce restriction to the system. My electrician thought I was nuts when I told him this, but sure enough it worked just fine. This in turn lowered the flow rates and allowed the pump to operate more appropriately in the middle of the curve. This is still a workaround, but it goes to show you pump size and selection is important and you don't want a pump that is too big(operating too far on the right) either or you can have other problems. Anyhow, long story short, pump flow rate is important too, but only for the pump, how much heat it produces, how much current draw, and how hard the electrical motor has to work (More is worse for heat dump and can be worse for the pump motor/efficiency. The optimal efficiency point is usually in the middle of the curve somewhere which is a good balance of restriction flow).

Block flow rate is what we are normally looking at and thinking about when we are after thermal gains. It's this flow rate that matters and translates to thermal performance and probably what everyone is really wanting to see here. These were all represented in the other bar colors (More is better).

If I had to vote on how to present flow rates. I'd suggest noting both, but distinguishing between and separating block flow rates and pump flow rates. They are both important, but both represent two different things. Pump flow rate is important for pump sizing, pump operation, and how much pump heat dump is to be expected. Block flow rate is important to know for thermal efficiency of blocks and radiators.
Pump flow rate - More is usually worse, Ideally you are in the middle of the curve or left if anything)
Block flow rate - More is always better

This parallel discussion and testing is all new stuff though, not something anyone has done much published testing on...so I'm not surprised we all have our own thoughts on what we want to see or what's the best way to compare things.

Great work, and interesting results!!:clap::up:

So much for the old "Series is always better" thought....never say always!!..Everything is only always a shade of gray!!!:eek::D
07-27-2009, 08:19 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

Thanks for the review, great work as always.:up:

Sorry to hear all the grumbles, but I can understand everyone's perspective. This parallel stuff is hard to convey and creates alot of confusion.

We've always talked "Flow Rate" as being one thing. This is true in a series system, where pump flow rate and block flow rate are equal and the same. There was never a need to indicate which one we're talking about.

Parallel systems are different though. In parallel, you have "Pump" flowrate and "Block or individual loop" flow rates. The purple bars represent "Pump" flow rate, it's what the pump produces. What I think some folks want to see is only "block" flow rate. I think they want to see that comparison only, because block flow rate is what translates to some sort of thermal performance gain.

I think they are both important.

Pump flow rate is important to know and understand when considering where the pump is operating. You don't really want a pump operating too far on the right hand side of the curve either. The more pump flow rate the more pump heat dump, the harder the pump works. I don't think we see too many problems in the context of watercooling and these smaller DC pumps, but I wouldn't dismiss it completely. I have had direct experience with this on a commerical pumping system I designed this last winter. Simply put, my pumps where too big for the amount of restriction I had and I learned that bigger is NOT better. In my case, I had two 5hp 2" pumps capable of about 200GPM and a pressure drop of only about 10' at 150GPM or so. This meant the pumps were operating at nearly free flow conditions. The result was that the pumps drew more current than I could legally have my electrician set the circuit breakers at. The pumps were operating too far on the right hand side of the curve, drawing too much current, overheating and eventually drawing more than 140% of the electrical pump motor rating (which is the limit we can set the breaker). My solution: add valves at the pump outlet to artificially introduce restriction to the system. My electrician thought I was nuts when I told him this, but sure enough it worked just fine. This in turn lowered the flow rates and allowed the pump to operate more appropriately in the middle of the curve. This is still a workaround, but it goes to show you pump size and selection is important and you don't want a pump that is too big(operating too far on the right) either or you can have other problems. Anyhow, long story short, pump flow rate is important too, but only for the pump, how much heat it produces, how much current draw, and how hard the electrical motor has to work (More is worse for heat dump and can be worse for the pump motor/efficiency the optimal efficiency point is usually in the middle of the curve somewhere which is a good balance of restriction flow).

Block flow rate is what we are normally looking at and thinking about when we are after thermal gains. It's this flow rate that matters and translates to thermal performance and probably what everyone is really wanting to see here. These were all represented in the other bar colors (More is better).

If I had to vote on how to present flow rates. I'd suggest noting both, but distinguishing between and separating block flow rates and pump flow rates. They are both important, but both represent two different things. Pump flow rate is important to know so you don't overdrive a pump and how much pump heat dump is to be expected. Block flow rate is important to know for thermal efficiency of blocks and radiators.
Pump flow rate - More is usually worse, Ideally you are in the middle of the curve or left if anything)
Block flow rate - More is always better

This parallel discussion and testing is all new stuff though, not something anyone has done much published testing on, so I would expect the stumbles and confusion.

Great work, and interesting results!!:clap::up:

So much for the old "Series is always better" thought....never say always!!:eek::D

Yeah, I think some of the ppl arguing misunderstood that 3.47GPM was flowing through the blocks. NO, not at all. That's how much was flowing through the pump and PEC only. The tubes/blocks had what could roughly be called by XS standards "average" or "target range" flow rates in that they were generally 1.25+GPM range

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